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evildustructor
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posted May 30, 2020 01:50 AM |
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Salamandre said:
evildustructor said:
heres clear evidence for blacks being jailed by police 3.7 times as often for the same drug offenses as whites statistically which is pretty much evidence enough in my eyes
At no moment your article says blacks are more arrested for the SAME felony. All it says is that blacks received more incarceration sentences than whites for drug possession or sales.
Sorry man, but police found me with less than 1 gram of weed to smoke so many times, they just laughed and took it away. People I know went to prison for having several kg of same substance. This article is so vague, there is need of tons of precision there: how much drugs, were they only salesman or producers, what is the nature of drug - marijuana is not same as weed and so on. This is strawman, you read only what you want to read.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-drug-possession.htm
Also black leaders were apparently the trigger for tougher drug laws for the black community
citing from the article directly here
"Because national arrest data mask considerable variations among the individual states, Human Rights Watch also obtained from the UCR Program state-by-state data for 2006 (the most recent year for which such data were available at the time of the request) that provide for each state the number of adult drug arrests by race, broken down by type of offense.9"
the key words in this sentence being "broken down by type of offense", which in turn isnt incorporated in the main data so you are right in this but how does this invalidate the study completely
"76 percent of black drug arrests and 85 percent of white
drug arrests in 2006 were for possession"
the majority of these are now confirmed to be possession cases as a simple reading would have told 
"Since blacks are more likely to be arrested than whites on drug charges, they are more likely to acquire the convictions that ultimately lead to higher rates of incarceration. "
the amount possessed is not highlighted within the article (would find it hard to believe that this information is widely used in quantitative studies such as these if they dont have reliable sources on it) as you do say but the point still stands that black people have a higher likelihood of going to prison after getting arrested.
on the new point on black leaders: ofc some black people are racist as well just take a look at people like candace owens telling hitler just wanted to make germany great its not THE trigger as you say, the article say they had a say in it lol which is obvious. it's the same individualist take here as when you named black billionaires making it. they dont cancel each other out you know. as i said earlier, it's structural racism and of course individual black people are culprits in the action as well but they sure dont make up the majority
ill list some more stuff to keep you going, damn man u really insist on not believing blacks are victims of structural racism in america but you do believe everything larry elder says (cuz hes black and likes your take on it? ) lol
scientific journal showing black people arrested for killing white people are 22 times more likely to receive the death penalty in georgia than black people killing black people
ill read the jounral fully tomorrow ijust read 2 pages im too tired but im sure there will be lots of funny facts in there to continue trying to convince you that racism actually exists (just the name and activity of this topic should prove a bit that somethings fishy here) and isnt just some subplot in a fictional stargate episode
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posted May 30, 2020 02:05 AM |
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evildustructor said:
people like candace owens telling hitler just wanted to make germany great
You should really stop quoting titles from reddit or whatever leftist cocoon you visit. Because owning you on that is too easy, and once is done you lose all credibility.
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posted May 30, 2020 02:26 AM |
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evildustructor said:
people like candace owens telling hitler just wanted to make germany great
Where do I find that quote? Cause I kind of agree.
Was Hitler a war criminal? Yes, he was. Was he an ambitious man? Sure. But he wasn't vacationing in his own resort every time he could and if he had won the war I bet you wouldn't spot him in some beach, kite-surfing.
His ambition was one of glory both for himself and the third reich, so while I wont defend the end justifies the means, I kind of think she has a point.
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posted May 30, 2020 02:44 AM |
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She was responding to a public question about nationalism.
The full quote, from which leftists as usual will cut what they need to make it sound as something else.
"When we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. He was a national socialist," Owens said in the video. "If Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize, he wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. So in thinking about how it could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism, I really don’t."
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posted May 30, 2020 03:01 AM |
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So, what she's saying is completely different from what I understood. The third reich was Hitler's ambition, not just govern but all the concept of Lebensraum. So he always would have to expand behind German frontiers.
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Strangely, while I was ready to concede to what she seamed to be saying when taken out of context, I find what she really said horrendous.
Hitler's raise to power was anything but democratic. Without being elected (he was named), he immediately ceased the power, be it by the formation of popular militias or the approval of undemocratic laws. He started discriminating against his own people based on race, believes and sexual orientation. He used disinformation to mislead the people against an imaginary enemy, that he blamed for everything he could find an excuse for and changed the laws and the electoral process to create a make believe democracy, where you could vote but nothing unsupportive of the National Party was ever on the ballot, your vote was far from secret, etc...
So, if these were the measures to make Germany great, they were definitively not "OK, fine", despise of the good economic results he was obtaining.
Please, give me a break.
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posted May 30, 2020 11:57 AM |
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You obviously need one, agreed
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posted May 30, 2020 12:18 PM |
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Blame Kathia, it works better then Red Bull...
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posted May 30, 2020 01:26 PM |
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Salamandre said:
You should really stop quoting titles from reddit or whatever leftist cocoon you visit. Because owning you on that is too easy, and once is done you lose all credibility.
yeah did you see me use an exact quotation here wise guy
mr sandro avatar maybe stays true to his colors here sandro is also about owning damn stupid liberals on the internet right!! "owning" lmao dude you make an embarassment of yourself u havent even touched my earlier more structured arguments cuz they gave u headaches and made u cry when i assumed (correctly considering your stop and frisk remarks) that you internalize racism so keep on going at it man, youre doing great your credibility is off the charts, you even read my post after i cropped it and posted it two times and then you started to question the scientific method by making vague assumptions thats great to see
continue the nitpicking and ignore the real arguments and we're at a great pace here sandro
Salamandre said:
She was responding to a public question about nationalism.
The full quote, from which leftists as usual will cut what they need to make it sound as something else.
"When we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. He was a national socialist," Owens said in the video. "If Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize, he wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. So in thinking about how it could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism, I really don’t."
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yeah that quote is great always makes me laugh
hitler wanted to globalize he wasnt a nationalist is also a good part
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posted May 30, 2020 02:22 PM |
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You are dealing with Salamandre here, who for example thinks BBC is fake news. That is just the tip of the ice berg lol. Good luck with discussing with that
As for the topic, so they FINALLY arrested this psychopath. Geez took them long enough. Looks like people are still very riled up though...
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posted May 30, 2020 04:02 PM |
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That's because they need to go steal, break, and burn more stuff.
Me, i pity sal having to deal with you and the other guy. There's too many automatons out there, and hardly anyplace for us sane, free-thinking people to interact with one another. Which is why you see every platform and media trying to silence us. That alone should make you people think something's up. But that's just it: you never think.
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posted May 30, 2020 04:26 PM |
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fred79 said:
That's because they need to go steal, break, and burn more stuff.
Me, i pity sal having to deal with you and the other guy. There's too many automatons out there, and hardly anyplace for us sane, free-thinking people to interact with one another. Which is why you see every platform and media trying to silence us. That alone should make you people think something's up. But that's just it: you never think.
Outlets like Fox and Breitbart enjoy among the highest traffic of users in the world. They're far from any sort of underground resistance.
Not saying you agree with what they write either, but the idea of journalists all being leftist is highly exaggerated.
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posted May 30, 2020 04:30 PM |
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Why is it always the abolutely most clueless people, like flat earthers or other conspiracy nuts, always consider themselves free-thinkers? That is funny though, couldn't make this up if I tried lol
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posted May 30, 2020 04:33 PM |
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@Salamandre:
Nationalism is intrinsically violent because a person with a tribal mindset will hurt other people in order to (supposedly) benefit their own country. That's part of the reason Hitler invaded one place after another, because his country supposedly required lebensraum and his country came first and other countries were varying degrees of subhuman.
Trump has a similar mindset with the USA and that puts the world at a greater risk of an armed conflict. And it is also why he tends to brush off minorities, because most minorities dont agree with his policies. Admittedly Trump seems to strongly dislike war and he hates how much it costs economically, BUT that doesnt mean he won't unintentionally stumble into one as a result of his actions.
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posted May 30, 2020 05:29 PM |
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Guys, there is no benefit in life without stripping someone else, when you get a job, someone else doesn't get it, when you get more money, someone gets less because resources are not infinite, when you barter for something, someone else will lose the deal if you know how to. There is no such thing as equal access to resources, access is based on skill and persuasion.
Sure you can go and limit nationalism definition to Hitler's example - because that serves your agenda, but you will be wrong. A nationalist will never kill or harm his people, his goal is to create the best conditions for his people. The moment he does it, he becomes a psychopath and an egomaniac.
So far I see Trump (because you bring him) aims for best deals. Some will work, some will not. Sometimes you have to push and bluff. That's the art of deal.
And remember, you were all here in singing in chorus that he will start world war 3, four years ago. Not only he didn't start any, but he is even bringing home troops worldwide, as he sees no interest interacting with secular foreign conflicts. Maybe is time for you to land on earth and give credits where they are due. I don't have much hope for that tho.
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he tends to brush off minorities, because most minorities dont agree with his policies
Oh please. Lower ever unemployment for minorities, a big justice reform helping specifically minorities. What now.
THIS is your real thermometer. All other is garbage political talk.
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posted May 30, 2020 05:45 PM |
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Just for the record, Hitler is a really bad example as a nationalist, because he wasn't, really. Or, more precisely, he was a lot more than that. It wasn't about the Germans, it was more about the "Aryan Race" - whatever that's supposed to mean. He actually considered Britain a "natural ally" ("fellow Arayans") and wanted nothing more than peace with them in order to share the sppols.
Anyway, so there was this supposedly superior race, the Aryans, who had everything to become a superrace, provided they could be kept "clean", and there were other "inferior" races, like the Slavs, the "Negroes" and so on, races who didn't make the best possible use of what they had (the Aryans would be much better off with all the ground in the European East, supposedly).
Lastly, there was a "vermin race", the Jews, the big despoilers, who'd corrupt everything and undermine everything, since it was there nature.
So Aryans first. Then inferior races (viewed as the Americans saw the African slaves and the Native Americans) - not evil or something, just inferior and not worth the land they were on.
Then the Jews as the evil element that had to be eradicated.
The war in Russia was what really mattered, but not as the war between Germany and the Soviet Union, but as a war between the Slavs and the Aryans (and when things went belly-up, Hitler said Germany would deserve to be completely destroyed, because the Aryand had lost the war against the Slavs.
Nationalism is an entirely different proposition.
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posted May 30, 2020 06:51 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Outlets like Fox and Breitbart enjoy among the highest traffic of users in the world. They're far from any sort of underground resistance.
Not saying you agree with what they write either, but the idea of journalists all being leftist is highly exaggerated.
Those are two i don't watch. I watch and hear from all other news sources, since almost everyone i know in my family are left-wing(or centrist, like myself). Abc, nbc, pbs, bbc, etc(not counting what i hear second-hand from facebook, twitter, etc), are all i've been keeping an eye on, and watching the propaganda being put out(which you see the result of, here in this very thread). And they are ALL, more or less, leftist media. Hell, the t.v. shows on all those channels are leftist, minus the gorillion cop/fbi/whatever shows, which are nothing more than government propaganda shows.
Leftists surround me on all sides. The only time i'm more around right-wingers is when i'm at work. Believe me when i say, i hear their nonsense all the time. They parrot their media, verbatim.
Haven't found any who aren't drinking the koolaid. It's maddening.
I was a leftist myself until i watched every single bit of leftist media attack and continue attacking Trump as soon as the man made office. Every news network i watched, every daytime talk show, every nighttime talk show, etc. That woke me up to who controls most, if not ALL, mass media; and therefore, most public opinion. Minus the 2 you mentioned, of course. I don't know enough about them to pass judgement.
@minion: whatever. Maybe one day you'll get your head on straight.
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posted May 30, 2020 08:50 PM |
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You might think, "leftist" is everything not being ultra right nowadays.
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posted May 30, 2020 09:14 PM |
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Lol, now reddit is a leftist cocoon, too? Sorry Sal but reddit is a platform where anybody can become a member and post as long as they follow the CoC. It is not much different than HC, only with millons of users. (Around 300 million last I checked.) You have developed a pattern of labeling anything you dont agree with fake news or leftist propaganda. And your standard of being a leftist seems to be admitting that racial issues do exist and not a complete thing of the past. You know what, back in the 1940’s, there were famous and relatively rich black people, too. I guess, there was no racism back then either. It is one thing to say that the race card is sometimes being overplayed, another thing to say that it is a complete myth and a leftist bubble. You should know that you start to sound like an alt-right nutjob when you start to explain everything with conspiracies of leftist media. The media didnt invent racism, it has always been one of the main issues in the U.S. and almost all of their important writers, directors, artists have dealt with the subject.
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posted May 30, 2020 09:38 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
You might think, "leftist" is everything not being ultra right nowadays.
The difference is, the left have an agenda that almost entirely is in direct conflict with the U.S. constitution; and that they control nearly all media tells me that their agenda will keep spreading like wildfire while they have most speaking platforms under their control. That's my main problem with them. If nearly everything they stood for nowadays wasn't the seeming destruction of the country with the potential to be the greatest nation in human history, i wouldn't have such a problem with them.
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posted May 30, 2020 09:45 PM |
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What happened was - most journalists noticed that Trump knew close to nothing about anything that was important to being President. He got fact checked regularly, and he has a notorious record on lying, and I can only guess they were alarmed. Journalists are just normal people.
If you didn't have free press, any leader could lie freely. Fred you can still claw your way back from that rabbit hole you are in. There is no "global leftist press that is trying to ruin your country" for their nefarious needs! WTF. When you snap out of whatever you are goin through, you will see how crazy you sounded like.
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