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posted May 31, 2020 03:16 PM |
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@Blizzardboy Where did you hear Bernie Sanders talking about nationalise the economy? I never heard a word about even nationalise the bank and/or the health system, something I would totally support.
Not even return the prisons to public administration, the thing I find more aberrant.
But I admit I may be in the wrong here, I heard him speak dozens of times but didn't read the program.
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posted May 31, 2020 03:42 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 15:44, 31 May 2020.
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evildustructor said:
welcome back to the farmers market man did you spend some time off to read up on the arguments 
I actually didn't read nearly all of this thread. I don't have to; I know what's being said, and I know what leftists will say about this. It's the same thing they always say about stuff like this, because they parrot what they're told by leftist media.
@ jj: When I say leftist, I mean the entire left, because they all appear to me as one entity. They appear as one entity, because they all say the same thing about every subject; and why? They DON'T HAVE ANY INDIVIDUAL IDENTITIES ANYMORE. Their identity-types have coalesced into one identity: the media-parrot identity. As was designed by the people running things. The ones against Trump, who wasn't supposed to be part of THEIR program. Which is why they ALL RAIL AGAINST HIM like the man's the Antichrist or something. That none of the current left sees this, even after it is so obvious, continually remind me that human beings in general would rather believe in the more pleasant lies, than the hard truths. I've discovered more about people than I knew before, because of last year's Event that most likely cost me the future I had planned.
But that's neither here nor there, and is really straying off-topic.
To return to topic, I'll postpone my reply to Minion, as the riots are getting worse, and I'm trying to keep up with the info. I watched a funny video last night of a store owner defending his place of business from looters with a shotgun(it was funny because the black guy recording was narrating hilariously), and wanted to share it here to lighten the mood, but I can't find it. It was on Twitter, I believe, but the thread I was following that contained the link is no longer available.
It appears that protests are now becoming worldwide because of what transpired in Minneapolis; funny how things had to come so far for people to wake up to the ever-worsening "authority" that they have been being subjected to for far too long. And, they're nowhere near done. As things worsen, they will look for ways to exploit this, and my guess is, make more moves to insulate themselves from any further uprising; which they have done countless times before. It's a pity that most, if not all, of this movement will only play into the authorities' hands; and that most of this movement is likely to be self-serving, instead of cause-serving. Again and again and again, such vast potential, will likely be squandered.
Last night I saw protesters close to where I live. A peaceful protest so far, but there is a lot here to loot if it goes that way, including where I work.
Hopefully things don't get crazy here, because my family is here, and I was made for crazy times.
I will try to post info as I find it, but I'm not promising anything. I have too much on my plate already as-is. I will also try to find that funny video, too.
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posted May 31, 2020 04:04 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 16:13, 31 May 2020.
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Here's a video that's not so funny. An old man and his elderly wife are beaten when the wife comes out to tell looters to stop breaking up the storefront.
I'll keep them coming as I find them. I'll have to get some sleep soon, though.
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posted May 31, 2020 04:06 PM |
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Black democrats, so proud.
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posted May 31, 2020 04:13 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
For your article, that's just proof that "left" has lost its meaning because Swedish Social Democrats aren't left.
*sigh* Whatever.
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posted May 31, 2020 04:33 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 16:34, 31 May 2020.
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(This was originally in response to a post BB removed)
Would you rather I post the funny video? I'm not finding it. All I'm finding are real videos of real snow going down. Here's one: Cops in full riot gear shooting regular, non-combative citizens with riot rounds while they stand on their own porch, under the guise of "martial law", supposedly.
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posted May 31, 2020 08:49 PM |
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Bottom line - no one has any idea anymore what "left" actually means. Why? because the ultra conservative (and economically liberal) right simply claims that everything less conservative and less economically liberal as they are is "leftist" (and therefore bad), because left has lost, haven't they?
Or have they?
The leftest that currently is (in real life), is called "Vietnam". It's a working left society, a Socialist Republic, the same country, as it happens, the United States lost a war against 2 generations ago. If you are interested, look Vietnam up, what they do, their system, how it works, blabla. Mind you, it's not al small country with around 100 million people
THAT is left(ist).
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posted May 31, 2020 09:57 PM |
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If you seriously think Sweden's Social Democrats arent left then I guess in your own fantasy world almost nobody is.
It's so amazing how these countries with long slivering coastlines like Norway and Chile and Vietnam just coincidentally ALL become model countries in their own geographic areas.
Maybe, just maybe, Vietnam also has varying unearned privileges compared to its neighbors? Like they've been a major winner in the US-China tradewar.
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posted May 31, 2020 10:34 PM |
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Well, then, please elaborate, how the Swedish Social Democrats are so left. What makes them "left".
The SSD are in decline and lose to the right-wing parties since, well, nearly 20 years. That means, they automatically slide to the right.
This is not restricted to Sweden, mind you. We've seen a period of fighting between right-wing conservatives and left-wing worker parties in Europe after the 2nd world war until the green parties came along. With the progress made in human rights, worker rights and the general change within the European societies, with "workers" being a job description in decline and later taken by cheap labor from less developed EU countries, the societies as such have moved to the right into "conservative" territory. The reason is, that a bigger percentage of people is less keen on "getting more", but on "securing what they have" - making CONSERVATIVE the thing in demand.
In other words, an increasing number of people is primarily interested in securing what they have, which means, the whole spectrum moves to the right.
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posted May 31, 2020 11:16 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
If you seriously think Sweden's Social Democrats arent left then I guess in your own fantasy world almost nobody is.
It's so amazing how these countries with long slivering coastlines like Norway and Chile and Vietnam just coincidentally ALL become model countries in their own geographic areas.
Maybe, just maybe, Vietnam also has varying unearned privileges compared to its neighbors? Like they've been a major winner in the US-China tradewar.
i am swedish myself lol ofc this is a matter of definition but to the classical definition of leftist they are not left, they are cutting taxes and doing liberal reforms ofc they have been in the past but since the assassination of the prime minister in the 80s they pretty much went the uk new labour way and went centrist with a somewhat liberal ideology in mind
salamander and fred said:
bla blab lab proud blab lblablalba bla parrot haha tldr!!
had enough of trying?
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posted May 31, 2020 11:26 PM |
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People still fighting over the right/left clivage... 
A liberal "leftist" will apply the same politics than a liberal "rightwing". They shake hands and have a drink together when the cameras are off.
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posted May 31, 2020 11:49 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 23:50, 31 May 2020.
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One way or another it just had to blow up eventually. Floyd's death was the spark, but USA had its share of problems recently: society being split into two camps (kinda like here in PL, you're either "with us" or you're "against us", there's no neutral ground), ever-unsatisfied groups voicing their "wants" and the crisis brought by COVID-19 (poverty and people going crazy from being forced to stay at home).
America is in a tough spot right now.
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posted June 01, 2020 12:51 AM |
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@blob
The Amy Cooper video went viral just before Floyd George was murdered on camera, but it is a very on-the-nose example of a white person using her whiteness to try to weaponize the police:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfqTvpWoBA
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posted June 01, 2020 12:58 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
This is not restricted to Sweden, mind you. We've seen a period of fighting between right-wing conservatives and left-wing worker parties in Europe after the 2nd world war until the green parties came along. With the progress made in human rights, worker rights and the general change within the European societies, with "workers" being a job description in decline and later taken by cheap labor from less developed EU countries, the societies as such have moved to the right into "conservative" territory. The reason is, that a bigger percentage of people is less keen on "getting more", but on "securing what they have" - making CONSERVATIVE the thing in demand.
In other words, an increasing number of people is primarily interested in securing what they have, which means, the whole spectrum moves to the right.
Agreed, but on the spectrum it's silly imo to say that all but the very furthest groups don't qualify as left or whatever other label you prefer to use. That's all the more I'll say.
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posted June 01, 2020 01:53 AM |
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Guys/gals:
So far ok. But evildustructor, you've come about as close as you can get to insulting other members without getting a warning from me. Which I guess is kind of like getting a pre-warning. Please try to maintain the civility level, yes? This kind of stuff can get out of a hand in a hurry and I won't hesitate to shut it down.
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posted June 01, 2020 03:42 AM |
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posted June 01, 2020 06:28 AM |
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Left leaning politics and leftist are not same things. Leftist is a pejorative term used to define someone who became a caricature of the left, pushing its aims and ideas to ridiculous levels, unsustainable on a realistic level and even damageable to most of others if applied.
A leftist will often be an anarchist and will constantly critic the order. If the police doesn't do enough bad things, he will have no problem making up accusations from nothing then spread them as fake news. Same goes for racism, if the society is not enough racist, he will create it, two outstanding examples being the Jussie Smollett hoax attack and its media usage, or BBC, NYT and all the left leaning outlets using the Covington kids incident to fuel political and racial hate, where everything proved to be a hoax and opposite. When you keep coming out on a regular base with such incidents - entirely made up, you create the racism, not fighting it.
A leftist will hate its own culture and people because he has been long time brainwashed by repetitive click-baiting outlets telling him his privilege is the result of historical oppression of some minorities. He will see racism in every neutral behavior because in his binary mind, if you don't knell to minorities, you hate them. He will be very vocal about his ideology and will try by all means to shut up contradictory debates, where he always loses because no evidence supports his claims.
Which explains the famous motto on the right, "facts do not care about your feelings."
I know people on the left which, when they see refugees struggling in tiny boats and risking their lives, that makes them instantly cry, then they leave to help. Sometimes I try reasoning them with the usual narrative, "we can't take them all, they will destroy our culture, they come with a violent cultural baggage and such", but invariably I get the answer "those are human beings, I just can't watch that and remain silent". There is nothing you can argue there; humanity, even at ridiculous levels, should always remain an inspiration for others.
The left has the merit of showing us what we possibly miss as parameters, the leftist is only a disgrace to the left and while he is being very vocal and active, he doesn't really care about people, he uses their pain to fuel his own obsessions and his visceral need to give a sense to his miserable life.
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posted June 01, 2020 06:35 AM |
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Edited by artu at 06:36, 01 Jun 2020.
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Sal said:
Leftist is a pejorative term used to define someone who became a caricature of the left
Even this conviction of yours gives a pretty good idea about the type of media you follow. No, it is not. It’s really, really not. Leftist is simply someone who supports left-wing politics, however they are defined in his country/time.
Your elaboration of what a leftist is certainly a caricature, no doubt about that but that is your caricaturization, not the whole picture. You have this misconception that you have a perfectly balanced, level-headed way of looking at things and then there are the brainwashed leftists, when in fact, although there are certainly the type of leftists you mention, you are not their antidote, you are their right-wing version. And I’m telling you this as someone who is constantly accused of being too soft on right-wingers by his leftist friends.
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posted June 01, 2020 06:48 AM |
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The end of my post shows that I am aware I do not have or understand all parameters. You on the other side, are so full of yourself, that you can't even grasp from far away what you're missing.
artu said:
Even this conviction of yours gives a pretty good idea about the type of media you follow.
So surprisingly it may sound, I follow only left leaning media, the french one, for the usual news. Then I go fact check and see their vacuity.
I am not subscribed to Fox and I probably watch one of their anchors once in every 6 months. So far, so good.
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posted June 01, 2020 06:59 AM |
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Edited by artu at 07:03, 01 Jun 2020.
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The end of your post doesnt save it, sorry. First you are completely ignoring the fact that actual left wing politics is not just about immigration, it is also about the neo-liberal economy that directly and indirectly causes the immigration. It’s not just a humanitarian but sentimental cry, watching the refugees in their boats. You see how your middle classes revolt when it is them, the global economy makes poorer, well guess what, it had been doing the same thing to whole regions but on a much more drastic scale. To be full of oneself is looking through only the eyes of a local dealing with immigration issues. Localize your economy then but income per capita wont be first world juicy in that case.
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Well, I guess it must be left leaning media who defines leftist as a pejorative term then!
Leftist in dictionary
a member of the political Left or a person sympathetic to its views.
adjective
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or advocated by the political Left.
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