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Gandalf196
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posted January 07, 2021 02:14 AM

Minion said:
It actually is tragic. This should not happen in a democracy. There are people though, even on these boards, who absolutely loathe democracy. Freedom of choice. And will do everything in their power to overthrow it. This is their last stand for this President, but I fear it will continue even after he is gone. The floodgates have been opened.

It doesn't help that the ex-President refuses to concede. He said today that he never will. He is such a sore loser my god.

Also it doesn't help that some right wing medias instigate the same conspiracies constantly. Insanity...



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posted January 07, 2021 08:38 AM

I had expected for it to turn out to be absolutely nothing.
I was right.

The sad thing is that a woman was shot for nothing, a simple trip to the capitol while the teachers screamed at the kids to calm down.

Americans are lucky that their far-right is a bunch of weak-willed simpletons, had our old boys done something like this and you would have suddenly had a new government in charge.

Wake me up when they burn down the building, that is a thing to be really worried about.
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Minion
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posted January 07, 2021 10:23 AM
Edited by Minion at 10:24, 07 Jan 2021.

Hey Gandalf, long time no see! I just read that congress certified Biden as President, how is that possible? Did the Kraken not manage make Trump as President after all?
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NoobX
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Now, this is a paradox...
posted January 07, 2021 11:41 AM

Smugness won't get you anywhere, Minion.  I'd drop it if I were you.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 07, 2021 11:51 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 12:02, 07 Jan 2021.

It's pretty obvious they had no idea wtf they are doing or why.


When I saw the dude hanging off the balcony, for some reason I though of Rome - that this is probably what it was like when it was sacked by the Gauls. Savages trampling on civilisation that is beyond their comprehension - they make a feeble attempt to echo some of the principles of Democracy but ultimately fail to impress and only serve as a mockery.

I can already picture them larking around and more than once uttering "I'm bored now...let's try the next room".

If it was a proper coup attempt then I'd be impressed, but this is just a herd of sheep that found itself in a place that neither they nor any of their offspring for a few dozen generations (if ever) will ever belong to.
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Neraus
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posted January 07, 2021 12:35 PM

The only serious stuff I've heard that happened is that someone apparently seized some hard drives, and of course, the woman that got shot.

In my eyes this is nothing more than your usual protest turned into riot that happened to strike inside the capitol, even if that's been an unique case, the results were the same as any protest. Which is why I find the indignation especially funny, hurr durr muh temple of democrashey, if they striked while there were no politicians inside you wouldn't have heard nothing of it.

I'm actually kinda sad that the warchief didn't proclaim himself the sole authority in the senate, would have made this even funnier.
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Blizzardboy
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posted January 07, 2021 12:36 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 17:31, 07 Jan 2021.

This is why calling them 'fascists' doesn't sit right with me, even though they are obviously anti-democracy like fascists, because historical fascists actually had some kind of platform and order about them and they actually went out and conquered. 'Fascism' was actually pretty scary and effective at what it did and it almost feels like a compliment to call them fascists.

What do these people even believe? They have an absence of any kind of platform apart from things like hating the Democrats, or liking to wave around the stars & stripes or the confederate flag, calling themselves patriots, and looking like imbeciles. This is a mob of confused idiots that are getting whipped up into a frenzy through a celebrity's rage-tweeting, and this celebrity also happens to be the US president.

And - with no disrespect to the innocent people caught up in it - it's funny and when I first saw the photos yesterday I started laughing at the computer, because this crap getting smeared across the internet for the entire world to see is completely destroying their cause, which isn't really a cause at all because I don't even know what they believe. Like, 'the election was rigged because we want to believe that it was rigged, so it was rigged, so we're going to gather together and yell and then charge the capitol building because the election was rigged'. It's like a satirical episode out of South Park, except it's real life.

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Neraus
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posted January 07, 2021 01:06 PM

I wouldn't say that they did it just because Trump inflamed their hearts, maybe a hundred would have done it with just that encouragement, but it's more of a deep seated issue that led to this.

Which is hilarious that after being insulted for years, being attacked by the opposition, having your own governments go against your wishes, finding out you lost the elections and courts won't hear your cases you go and...

Take a few selfies in the senate.


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Gandalf196
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posted January 07, 2021 01:17 PM

Neraus said:
I wouldn't say that they did it just because Trump inflamed their hearts, maybe a hundred would have done it with just that encouragement, but it's more of a deep seated issue that led to this.

Which is hilarious that after being insulted for years, being attacked by the opposition, having your own governments go against your wishes, finding out you lost the elections and courts won't hear your cases you go and...

Take a few selfies in the senate.




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CountBezuhoff
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posted January 07, 2021 03:57 PM
Edited by CountBezuhoff at 15:59, 07 Jan 2021.

Are they seriously going to try to impeach Trump again? Why even bother?

Neraus said:
Americans are lucky that their far-right is a bunch of weak-willed simpletons, had our old boys done something like this and you would have suddenly had a new government in charge..


American protesters suck at getting their point to the government. Why wouldn't they suck at coups?

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Blizzardboy
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posted January 07, 2021 04:06 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 16:07, 07 Jan 2021.

CountBezuhoff said:
Are they seriously going to try to impeach Trump again? Why even bother?


For precedent. Technically that's a term for courts, but if a future president goes on another anti-democracy campaign it would be nice if the current president was impeached for it. It won't pass in the Senate but it's good to do either way.
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posted January 07, 2021 04:08 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 16:11, 07 Jan 2021.

Neraus said:
I wouldn't say that they did it just because Trump inflamed their hearts, maybe a hundred would have done it with just that encouragement, but it's more of a deep seated issue that led to this.

Which is hilarious that after being insulted for years, being attacked by the opposition, having your own governments go against your wishes, finding out you lost the elections and courts won't hear your cases you go and...

Take a few selfies in the senate.




^ A grossly inaccurate interpretation of the past 4 years. If a person's wishes involve doing something that is illegal, then of course the government is going to go against those wishes.  It's obligated to do that.
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Minion
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posted January 07, 2021 04:13 PM
Edited by Minion at 16:17, 07 Jan 2021.

NoobX said:
Smugness won't get you anywhere, Minion.  I'd drop it if I were you.


Mmhh, deja vu. I remember when Kip called us leftist as supporters of pedophilia, you know, being tied to LGBT and all, and you were silent. That was "slightly" offensive though so I said he was being an idiot, and alas, you came and berated me for being so terrible, so rude! I was the problem. I am starting to see a pattern here.

After listening to weeks and weeks of how the election will be turned this day, listening "you will see, just you wait, you are shaking in your boots kek lol". He said a hundred times that for sure Trump will be the President. No that wasn't smug or annoying. Not to you. But my one sentence, on the day that it is appropriate, was enough to get you going again.

Neither cases was your input asked for, or warranted, both guys can handle themselves. And asking me to drop it now, is like asking me to skip the last episode of Mandalorian. This is what all the earlier discussion culminates into, who becomes the President.

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Neraus
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posted January 07, 2021 04:17 PM

@blizzardboy
I'm not going on the merits of the measures, but it's clear that republicans were staunchly opposed to lockdowns, to the point that there was a clear divide between red states and blue states for example.

I could mention media campaigns, cancel culture, campaigns for gun laws etc.

Point is, if you consider what was in their perspective them being oppressed, it's kinda hilarious that their biggest show of retaliation is...

Selfies in the senate.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted January 07, 2021 04:22 PM

I'm grateful the "retaliation" wasn't far worse.

I can only imagine what the consequences of all of this will be.  I imagine some security officials are going to get fired.  
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Kipshasz
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posted January 07, 2021 05:06 PM

OmegaDestroyer said:
I'm grateful the "retaliation" wasn't far worse.

I can only imagine what the consequences of all of this will be.  I imagine some security officials are going to get fired.  


judging from what I observed in various circles, we might or might not see few new contenders for the mass shooting High Score.

Exhibit A

Ironically some band of nerds from the same server also reported him to the ATF over some crap.
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posted January 07, 2021 05:06 PM

... Sorry about the following post. I'm still furious about what happened.

OmegaDestroyer said:
I'm grateful the "retaliation" wasn't far worse.

I can only imagine what the consequences of all of this will be.  I imagine some security officials are going to get fired.  

If I could choose? All the politicians who blindly supported Trump would be stripped of office and imprisoned for fomenting sedition, Trump would be impeached, and the people who tried to overthrow the democratically elected government and rightful government in order to overturn the results of a democratic election would serve prison time for... well, being traitors and rebels that made an attempted coup. Because it was a stupid coup, but by definition, it was still a coup. And it needs to be crushed without any quarter given, otherwise it sets the precedent that it is acceptable, which, well, maybe it is in the USA since nothing is still being done, and this echoes the events that lead to the end of the Reconstruction era and the institution of Jim Crow laws. Complete with mobs of angry white people hunting down and assaulting local colored law enforcement.

The politicians being punished would be punished for, bluntly, choosing to damage the country to further their own political careers. Like Josh Halley, Glen Greenwald, Ted Cruz, John "Not that Kennedy" Kennedy... all of these worms that supported Stop the Steal until it actually became a threat to them personally. Cruz may have turned around and tried to whimper out that enough was enough the day of, but it's too late for that when the people you have been inciting and encouraging are overrunning the walls and breaking into the chambers of Congress. Oh, and Cruz flopped back to pandering to Trump the moment the mob was removed from the capitol building. The spineless worm.

For their actions, all of their lies to support Trump's lies, somewhere around 1/4 of the country believes that the election is illegitimate. There is no actual evidence of this. There have been no court cases that have given the claims legitimacy. No investigations have overturned or found anything. But they kept supporting Trump and telling the American people that nothing was proper about the election, and that democracy was being overturned by a shadowy cabal.

And for what? Actually for what? To serve the ego of a screaming man-baby who is a failed strongman, because they thought it would further their political careers. These craven ghouls that turned on the people who supported them the moment they were in any danger have clearly shown that they are putting their political careers and personal power ahead of the health of the country and democracy. They are a danger to the country. They need to be removed completely and barred from any public service, which they will disgrace again the moment that it becomes convenient for them.

... I am infinitely mad about this. Sorry. But for the first time in this nation's history, the stars and bars of a confederate traitor battalion was brought into the nation's capital by a force that wanted to overthrow the duly elected government, and I am still just... so. So, So extremely angry about this. The flag of treason flew in the capitol of the United States of America. My tolerance for these morons is spent.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted January 07, 2021 05:22 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 17:27, 07 Jan 2021.

There is no point in being angry about it.  It's done and you cannot do anything to change it.  Just because you can't, however, doesn't meant the Dems and Republicans won't let this tragedy go to waste.  I'm sure the emboldened Dems will find a good way to exploit the tragedy.  It will be interesting to see how the Republicans will spin it.    

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The politicians being punished would be punished for, bluntly, choosing to damage the country to further their own political careers.
 Just like people pushing the Russia narrative and impeachment proceedings should have been?  If we punished politicians who were more interested in their political careers than serving their nation, we wouldn't have any politicians.  

I am looking forward to another two years of one party having total power again.  It's just swell when that happens.  Will the Dems actually be able to unite?  Or will they squander the opportunity like the 2016 Republican party?  Time will tell.  
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posted January 07, 2021 05:28 PM

Blizzardboy said:
This is why calling them 'fascists' doesn't sit right with me, even though they are obviously anti-democracy like fascists, because historical fascists actually had some kind of platform and order about them and they actually went out and conquered. 'Fascism' was actually pretty scary and effective at what it did and it almost feels like a compliment to call them fascists.

What do these people even believe?

Well, I heard, the now "iconic" guy with the horns and the fur, telling some reporters he is part of the QAnon movement. Surprised? Not at all.
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Minion
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posted January 07, 2021 05:45 PM
Edited by Minion at 17:45, 07 Jan 2021.

OmegaDestroyer said:
Just like people pushing the Russia narrative and impeachment proceedings should have been?


The Russia probe or narrative was not a hoax or a scam, it indicted 34 people. You should be happy it was done.

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I am looking forward to another two years of one party having total power again.  It's just swell when that happens.  Will the Dems actually be able to unite?  Or will they squander the opportunity like the 2016 Republican party?  


I don't know what the word unite even means anymore. Biden might get one big item through, but that is it. After that they will fall apart. The only hope is that Republican party will be fractured come midterms, and that actually is a possibility. If Trump sticks around in the shadows.
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