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Gnomes2169
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posted January 07, 2021 06:23 PM

OmegaDestroyer said:
Just like people pushing the Russia narrative and impeachment proceedings should have been? If we punished politicians who were more interested in their political careers than serving their nation, we wouldn't have any politicians.  

I am looking forward to another two years of one party having total power again.  It's just swell when that happens.  Will the Dems actually be able to unite?  Or will they squander the opportunity like the 2016 Republican party?  Time will tell.  

False equivalence, 10 yard penalty, the impeachment hearings were incited based on what happened with Ukraine and there was not a call to foment insurrection. These were not the same thing in the slightest.

But if they had gone that far? If their actions had lead to an angry mob overrunning the nation's capital in order to overthrow the president? If they had incited an actual attempted coup? Yes. They should be completely removed. You can play politics without selling your soul that much and without actively harming your own nation's well-being.

To be clear, it's not the entire Republican party that I feel needs to be removed, nor do I think that they need to be replaced with non-republicans, it's specifically the 13 senators and over 100 members of the House that enabled and supported Trump's Stop the Steal insanity up to this point. The consequences were obvious, not a damn one of them should be allowed to plead ignorance, and if they do then they should be removed for a disgusting level of incompetence. Because actual high school students were predicting what would happen due to them emboldening violent extremists. These specific politicians went too far. As much as McConnel is the epitome of self-serving scum on earth, and as much as I loath the man, even he wasn't stupid and incompetent enough to enable and support this tripe.

As for what the dems will be able to accomplish... probably nothing. Their lead in the senate is a slim margin, so McConnel, while he can't prevent 600 bills from seeing the senate floor every year, can still block whatever he damned well feels like. And the democratic party basically encompasses everything left of corporate liberal, so around 20% of its own party will not support certain measures that would still appeal to any republicans that are still around when this dust settles, which will in turn prevent anything from getting done, again because of the senate.

It's going to be back to the Obama first-term business as usual environment that made Trump's run possible in the first place. With political deadlock that leaves the American people suffering and American infrastructure falling apart even more, which will lead to nationalist sympathies rising again, and the emergence of either Trump again or whoever he chooses to be his successor.

Well... unless the unthinkable happens, and during the Biden/ Harris administration actual policies made to promote the public wellfare are taken and not poisoned by their opponents. Things like re-furbishing roads, increased investments into rural areas, universal healthcare, the busting of monopolies and effective combating of off-shore tax havens, etc. Then the general quality of life in the USA might get better and reduce the number of people willing and eager to get behind a feckless strongman. But dems (besides their progressive minority) and republicans are bought and paid for by corporations, who are universally dead-set against all of those policies and who like the oligarchy they now control, so... fat chance of that happening.

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posted January 07, 2021 06:29 PM

I suppose, Donald Trump will make one last presidential visit - in a country without an extradition treaty.

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posted January 07, 2021 06:36 PM

JollyJoker said:
I suppose, Donald Trump will make one last presidential visit - in a country without an extradition treaty.

Can't go to Scotland. They already told him no, and that they wanted his tax returns for the golf resort in their country, because they've noticed there are credible allegations of criminality and tax evasion being run through there by the New York investigations.

So, you know, there goes one venue.

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posted January 07, 2021 06:38 PM

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Mmhh, deja vu. I remember when Kip called us leftist as supporters of pedophilia, you know, being tied to LGBT and all, and you were silent. That was "slightly" offensive though so I said he was being an idiot, and alas, you came and berated me for being so terrible, so rude! I was the problem. I am starting to see a pattern here.


I would like to see this post.

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After listening to weeks and weeks of how the election will be turned this day, listening "you will see, just you wait, you are shaking in your boots kek lol". He said a hundred times that for sure Trump will be the President. No that wasn't smug or annoying. Not to you. But my one sentence, on the day that it is appropriate, was enough to get you going again.

Neither cases was your input asked for, or warranted, both guys can handle themselves. And asking me to drop it now, is like asking me to skip the last episode of Mandalorian. This is what all the earlier discussion culminates into, who becomes the President.



First of all, I have not taken, and will never take, a side in this mess.  Do not mistake my decision to speak my mind now for condoning what others said before.  Secondly, I was away for a good part of the last year whenever this talk of "turning the election" took place.  I was in no way obliged to be here and chastise Kip or Gandalf or whoever.  
I have spent a lot of time on 4chan and have seen how vitriolic even the most mundane discussions tend to get.  A sad thing to see here is that these vitriolic discussions could just as easily start here were it not for CoC and your actual profile appearing alongside your own posts so that you could and would be held accountable for whatever you say.  
While I am strongly opposed to the "extreme left", I have never taken side with the "extreme right".  I oppose them too.  
I have no idea whether Kip's mannerisms and speech are just an act or not (doesn't matter if he claims that he's for real), but I can see clearly that it takes inspiration from 4chan (name calling, memes, etc).  Gandalf appeared out of nowhere and started spamming the OSM with his memes and threads devoid of substantial content.  Fred... Well, I really can't say what's going on with him anymore.  As far as I'm concerned, his paranoia is unhealthy.  Regardless, I have not taken their side in an argument, at least when talking politics.  What I did, however, is speaking up when it became unbearable, but got ignored, of course, because it's much more convenient to continue fighting than to take a chill pill.  It's a good thing we still have Corribus here to actually enforce peace because it apparently takes a show of power to calm things down.  
But, no matter what the "right" side of this forum has said and done, I cannot just ignore the "left".  You making these remarks at the expense of the Republicans' loss and making provocative posts will not net you any real benefits.  Sure, you might feel great thinking "Heh, you lost and we won, even though you kept saying otherwise" and "It's our five minutes of glory now, losers", but is it really worth it?  What you will accomplish won't amount to anything other than furthering the existing divide.  You cannot defend your current actions with "Hey, they did the same thing four years ago".  Eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.    
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Corribus
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posted January 07, 2021 06:39 PM
Edited by Corribus at 18:41, 07 Jan 2021.

CountBezuhoff said:
Are they seriously going to try to impeach Trump again? Why even bother?

It would prevent him from ever holding public office again.

By the way, thanks everyone for (so far) keeping this discussion civilized in the wake of yesterday's events. I fully expected to come here this morning and have to close the thread.

(Hope I didn't jinx it.)
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posted January 07, 2021 07:18 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 19:26, 07 Jan 2021.

@Corribus:

He has already been impeached though. He can still run for public office after that. It would need to pass in the Senate for him to be removed, and I don't think the people drafting another impeachment (Ilhan Omar was the first to jump on it) expect for that to happen.
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posted January 07, 2021 07:27 PM

NoobX said:
 
But, no matter what the "right" side of this forum has said and done, I cannot just ignore the "left".  You making these remarks at the expense of the Republicans' loss and making provocative posts will not net you any real benefits.


You are right there. But don't know the context.

I guess I found it odd that you hardly ever comment on OSM, and when you do, it comes down to saying something not about the topic, but about the poster. And always about me or my side. And you don't even know the context of the discussion.

I also find it funny that considering the insults that have been hurdled on these boards have never moved you, but me asking honestly a pretty tame thing about the president gets your attention, lol.

Maybe just coincidence because you are not much around.
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posted January 07, 2021 08:06 PM

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I guess I found it odd that you hardly ever comment on OSM, and when you do, it comes down to saying something not about the topic, but about the poster. And always about me or my side. And you don't even know the context of the discussion.


After years spent on HC, I concluded that discussions here are rarely about reaching a conclusion, and more about making sure one's own arguments are left undisputed, so I see no reason to involve myself with that.  Also, I rarely go out of my way to talk about something I have very little knowledge about.  When I talk about a poster, I talk about a person I have interacted with before and have gotten to know as much as they have let themselves be presented here.  Further, I do not think I have singled you out before.  I know for a fact that I replied to Fred, and you can guess how that all panned out.  I do not wish you to feel like I have a score to settle with you or that this is a grudge.

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I also find it funny that considering the insults that have been hurdled on these boards have never moved you, but me asking honestly a pretty tame thing about the president gets your attention, lol.

Maybe just coincidence because you are not much around.


Honestly, I thought I could reach you with my message.  I don't see you as a guy who goes out of his way to use passive-aggressive means to provoke others, and I just wanted to point out how counter-effective acting like that can be.  My wording and tone could have been wrongly interpreted, but I had no ill intentions with my post.  I just want to prevent further discord if it's in my power.  As far as I can remember, you've been a chill dude for the most part here.  

When it comes to this particular topic, everyone kind of flocked to either side.  With events such as rioting, fraud claims, etc. I find that there is no real attempt in trying to understand the other side, just making efforts in shouting out "the truth" the loudest.  Many heated arguments have nothing to do with information presented, but rather with the attitude when taking the said information into account.  And when antagonizing language is used in between presenting information, the other party will instinctively dismiss its credibility because it would've been perceived as "coming from the enemy".  
Taking a step back and analyzing the "meta-discussion" can yield many useful insights.
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Corribus
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posted January 07, 2021 08:12 PM

Blizzardboy said:
@Corribus:

He has already been impeached though. He can still run for public office after that. It would need to pass in the Senate for him to be removed, and I don't think the people drafting another impeachment (Ilhan Omar was the first to jump on it) expect for that to happen.

Yes, sorry to clarify: I meant impeached and removed from office.
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posted January 08, 2021 02:20 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 20:35, 08 Jan 2021.

NoobX said:

When it comes to this particular topic, everyone kind of flocked to either side.  With events such as rioting, fraud claims, etc. I find that there is no real attempt in trying to understand the other side, just making efforts in shouting out "the truth" the loudest.  Many heated arguments have nothing to do with information presented, but rather with the attitude when taking the said information into account.


:rolls eyes:

No. This is simply not correct and I can tell you haven't been following the conversation.

Myself and several other people here have expressed that if there was actually a fraudulent election, then that would indeed be very serious and it would need to be dealt with unilaterally in order to preserve the legitimate rule of law. A genuine attempt has been made to understand the other side in this case. Trump has been peddling an election fraud narrative without evidence for the past 2 months (and on previous occasions as well), it is toxic, and it has continued in spite of rulings by multiple courts and members of his own party, the Supreme Court Justices, the recognition of the win by the Senate majority leader, etc.

You're not coming across as somebody who is neutral and detached from what is happening. You're just coming across as uninformed. Not that that matters because I don't blame you if you don't want to follow the US election... but you are in a US election thread right now.

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posted January 08, 2021 01:04 PM

The issue with the claims is that there hasn't been a bigger effort than saying: the courts ruled against Trump, no evidence that we deem substantial has been presented, the suers have no standing.

Is it right procedurally? I guess so. But, that side has seen it as an unfair obstruction of their right to be heard, correct me on this, but I haven't heard the FBI investigate thoroughly, there have been recounts, but no forensic audits.

Yeah, in terms of hard facts you're right to criticize that reasoning, but you're not looking at it in the terms of perception. People really believe that the supreme court refused to hear any allegations of fraud for fear of antifa, in a climate where people can believe that, people are willing to then do what they did.

On more thought, this wasn't a nothingburger, but neither is this a 9/11 or whatever, this is the American burning of the Reichstag, time will tell if it'll be a full replica of that.
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posted January 09, 2021 05:13 AM
Edited by Corribus at 05:14, 09 Jan 2021.

Neraus said:
The issue with the claims is that there hasn't been a bigger effort than saying: the courts ruled against Trump, no evidence that we deem substantial has been presented, the suers have no standing.

Many lawsuits have been dismissed for lack of standing.* But many have been dismissed because the evidence presented did not meet evidentiary standards, and it's not like those standards are some big secret. Every lawyer knows, or should know, what they are. So it's not fair to say that the Trump campaign didn't have a chance to make their case. They had many chances. The courts found that there was no case to make.

*I also find it a little weird that dismissals due to lack of standing or procedural issues are some how perceived to not be  legitimate or "as good as" dismissals based on lack evidence. The manner in which lawsuits must be filed is governed by rules and laws. This is important to ensure impartiality and fairness in the way decisions are made and to ensure that the constitution and codified statues are followed.  
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posted January 09, 2021 09:27 AM

They made use of the "no smoke without fire" saying and produced a crapload of smoke.

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posted January 10, 2021 06:09 PM

I won't say it on social media but I will say it here.

I told you so.

Also, to those who identify as conservative and are angered by Corribus' moderating, please remember he pissed me off as well when he silenced me for torching Elodin and all the other previous generation's conservative loving conservative lovers.  That, to me, is proof enough he's doing his job and handling it as best as can reasonably be done.  
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posted January 10, 2021 09:24 PM

Inauguration day is gonna be something. I hope the security is on top of everything this time. There was no excuse into letting that riot get that out of control. There were pipe bombs found there for heavens sake...

@NoobX. Thanks for clarifying that. All this fuzz about a little sarcasm in my reply to a meme I can tone it down, but we are not some Stoicists though, so surely people can handle some liveliness in some replies. But this is off-topic on this thread, so either in random thoughts thread or HC-message if there is more, but as far as I am concerned the air has been cleared.
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posted January 11, 2021 12:59 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 01:26, 11 Jan 2021.

Considering how much the president has sewn distrust towards the basic democratic institution and emboldened domestic white hate groups, security needs to more than ready because it takes one person that can competently use a weapon, who has become politically radicalized, and who doesn't care if they live or die, and you've got a serious danger.
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posted January 11, 2021 05:00 PM
Edited by Kipshasz at 17:03, 11 Jan 2021.

Good news everyone!

Parler users got doxxed. All of them if the claim is to believed. 70TB of data leaked.



But wait, it get's better.

Their verification (like twitter's blue checkmarks) thing requires a picture, both sides, of a photo ID.


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posted January 11, 2021 10:04 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 22:16, 11 Jan 2021.

I find it ironic but also entirely unsurprising that guns are being used to promote tyranny rather than to protect from it.

Armed protests being planned at all 50 state capitols, FBI bulletin says:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/armed-protests-planned-50-state-capitols-fbi-bulletin/story?id=75179771

^ Pathetic.
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posted January 12, 2021 03:00 AM
Edited by evildustructor at 03:02, 12 Jan 2021.

Neraus said:
I wouldn't say that they did it just because Trump inflamed their hearts, maybe a hundred would have done it with just that encouragement, but it's more of a deep seated issue that led to this.

Which is hilarious that after being insulted for years, being attacked by the opposition, having your own governments go against your wishes, finding out you lost the elections and courts won't hear your cases you go and...

Take a few selfies in the senate.







haha



people died lmao i'm sure you think thats just taking a selfie but that's probably pretty far from the actual intentions

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also @ kip even tho us politics is one of the most uninteresting topics to talk about as a fellow un-american, your grandiose attitude is getting boring lol at least have the balls of having an opinion instead of the nihilistic snow
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posted January 12, 2021 08:06 AM

my opinions make you people cry and whine to the mods for muh coc breach.


Now most hilariously the 'trump cult' had not only drank the metaphorical flavoraid on the 6th, and had in fact disawowed their precious president. now all that's left is a full on suicide,which I believe will commence on the 20th.

So far I have been banned, along with several other sane people on 5 pro-trump discords, mostly for telling those retards that all their bs that they post on parler, gab and telegram is not going to kick off their precious boogaloo, but in fact make them learn how to make prison wine in a federal pen.

now what is happening, is that boogtards are trying to rile up the maga normies into doing something stupid. the alt social media outlets are now filled with stuff like improvised munitions manufacturing manuals, instruction videos and muh boog bullcrap. so if you're a fed and want to score a massive payday, now is the time.
and there's been a mountain of videos of capitol march tards finding out that they are on a 'no fly list', sadly not as many spergouts as I expected. still hilarious though. It's like Order 66 but with no infanticide. absolutely marvelous.

RIP united states, long live Weimar America.

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