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posted March 26, 2025 11:35 PM |
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They're not on each other's side. Trump doesn't want Putin getting Ukraine. Not more of it than he needs to give him. They're also competitors in the arctic. That's kind of the whole point of taking Greenland, because he wants to secure it from China (China) and little China (Russia). He also wants to make Gaza a US territory and turn it into a Mediterranean riviera.
Just because Trump applauded Russia's actions in Syria (this was back before COVID) doesn't make him a Putin ally.
Ukraine isn't going to turn over scandalous information related to a sitting US president lol.
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Dude.
That last post is really ... well.
Anyway. It's interesting that suddenly none of you has anything to say about the education thing.
What's the matter? Awkward issue?
EDIT: Do you really like that new America where masked Security people are kidnapping people right off the street? No lawyer, no nothing?
Could have happened in Russia, right? The only difference probably being no one asking, "Why are you masked?", because they already knew what was going on.
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Shocking for people with no knowledge of recent history or the wider world, like how indefinite detentions was signed into practice during the Obama years.
Or celebrities leaving the country because voting is too restrictive and migrating to Ireland (Whiteland) where photo ID is mandatory everywhere for voting and immgration is stricter than the USA lol. Okay, there are maybe one or two celebrities who actually followed through with that threat. They obviously almost never move.
Or the fact that German authorities arrest illegal immigrants on a regular basis and detain them before legal proceedings. Do you know who else did that? Mr Adolf No-middle-name Hitler. The agents also frequently have lunch afterwards. Adolf ate lunch too. Coincidence?
I don't think you care too deeply about most policies. I think there are certain people in your in crowd and certain people in your out crowd, because you pretend Europe is a progressive place when it really isn't.
Also, I didn't vote for Trump. I fail to understand why I've needed to clarify this with you more than once. Just because I don't start frothing from the mouth in rage when talking about Donald doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter.
Edit: purpose of this rant is to show that the world isn't a very nice place, and this was true before January 2025.
Can we talk about Ukraine now? Because we're definitely not going in circles with it.
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posted March 27, 2025 09:01 PM |
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Well, the main thing is that we don't detain LEGAL immigrants - or visitors. And we also don't dismantle our departments of education or health. Or science. We also don't blackmail our states by withholding financing if they don't change their election laws. Or try to make the rest of Ukraine a colony without many rights in their own country.
Which is where we are with Ukraine. If I understand right, The US are giving Ukraine now the option to either fall to Russia or to sell their country out to the US.
No, the world is NOT a nice place - never has been. But the USA have been a nicer place in the past, that's for sure. And if you didn't vote Trump you should know that as well.
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posted March 28, 2025 04:56 AM |
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You gave one example, which is anecdotal, where we have only one version, "I did nothing".
But then, Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said that "Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas." "DHS + ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans.
Of course you dismiss all this because it is Trump and everybody else is nice. Germany had a load of muslim related terrorist attacks lately, yet the main problem is Musk endorsing AFD. ^^
I would also like to see an exhaustive details list about "research and worldwide health aid" cuts. The headlines are often biased and incomplete on purpose, then when you look at the details Doge provides, a lot of rubbish came out :
$15 million for condoms to the Taliban through USAID
$446,700 to promote the expansion of atheism in Nepal through the State Department.
$1 million to boost French-speaking LGBTQ groups in West and Central Africa through the State Department.
$14 million in cash vouchers for migrants at the southern border through the State Department.
$20,600 for a drag show in Ecuador through the State Department.
$47,020 for a transgender opera in Colombia through the State Department.
$32,000 for an LGBTQ-centered comic book in Peru through the State Department.
$55,750 for a climate change presentation warning about the impact of climate change in Argentina to be led by female and LGBT journalists through the StateDepartment.
$3,315,446 for “being LGBTQ in the Caribbean” through USAID.
$7,071.58 for a BIPOC speaker series in Canada through the State Department.
$80,000 for an LGBTQ community center in Bratislava, Slovakia through the State Department.
$3.2 million to help Tunisian migrants readjust to life in Tunisia after deportation through the State Department.
$16,500 to foster a “united and equal queer-feminist discourse in Albanian society” through the State Department.
$10,000 to pressure Lithuanian corporations to promote “DEI values” through the State Department.
$8,000 to promote DEI among LGBTQ groups in Cyprus through the State Department.
$1.5 million to promote job opportunities for LGBTQ individuals in Serbia through USAID.
$70,884 to create a U.S.-Irish musical to promote DEI in Ireland through the State Department.
$39,652 to host seminars at the Edinburgh International Book Festival on gender identity and racial equality through the State Department.
$425,622 to help Indonesian coffee companies become more climate and gender friendly through USAID.
So, maybe it is time to limit the bleeding. When I see the catastrophic situation in France, houses prices out of median salary capabilities, healthcare progressive reduction, inflation, energy price going up by several times, frozen salaries, retirement pension below poverty line, then see 251 millions to Ukraine in 2023, and then 3 billions to give in 2025 - for what final result ??!! - then the debt going from 2000 billions to 3300 billions just in 7 years of Macron (113,8 % of GDP) I say something is wrong for sure. Helping others while ignoring your own going bankrupt isn't humanity, is insanity. It is easy to throw money abroad randomly while never being able to fix the structural problems you have. Incompetence and treason. You have a mandate to protect a specific area related population, in priority.
Every year, France has to pay 60 billions ONLY as debt interests. Our culture budget is down to 4 billions yearly. Schools budget is down to 80 billions. We definitely need something like Doge as well, and it can't go without somebody claiming being hurt, unfortunately.
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posted March 28, 2025 08:56 AM |
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That's a rather severe case of whataboutism.
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posted March 28, 2025 10:08 AM |
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No, the whole system is falling.
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posted March 28, 2025 10:24 AM |
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@Can we talk about Ukraine now?@
Yea I suggest Trump and his new mineral agreements are broader than old proposal.. OR.. Trump said Crimea goes to Russia..
If you know about both.. Thus Putin's proposal is a troll.. So Trump thinks the other..
EDIT
Putin proposed the Ukrainian president out.. But Ukrainian law says https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/389-19#Text so remember also Finnish president Risto Ryti..
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posted March 28, 2025 11:46 AM |
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Note that if Russia officially doesn't recognize the current Ukrainian government, not only there won't be peace (no recognized government to make peace with), Russia won't acknowledge any treaties between the Zelensky government and the USA either.
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posted March 28, 2025 08:47 PM |
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Not how it works.
There's no recognition of Luhansk and Donetsk either. They would just need to agree to a ceasefire, like how the Koreas have a ceasefire.
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posted March 28, 2025 09:13 PM |
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Jesus.
Russia won't "just agree" to anything.
Why would they?
What do you think they came up with that stuff about new elections a few hours after the treaty became public about the USA extorting Ukraine to give their country away?
Do you REALLY REALLY think, Russia is going to these lengths to watch how Trump snatches everything vaulable out of Ukraine?
And so you really think Ukraine will give ANYTHING away before The taker has agreed to commit with serious manpower?
On another note, three Yale professors will emigrate to Canada. Because the USA rapidly becomes a fascist country, one of them says. And he should know what he's talking about.
I mean - what Salamandre said: "Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said that "Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas.""
Well, what does that mean? Did she hide an Hamas member? Did she assassinate someone? Did she post something on X? Like, Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza? And if so - what? I thought in the US there was freedom of speech - as opposed to, say, Germany, said Musk and Vance. And where are the lawyers, where are their constitutional rights? Where is SHE?
It's what was called GESTAPO methods (Gestapo was the Nazi German Secret State Police) in Germany.
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posted March 28, 2025 09:37 PM |
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More people emigrate from Canada to the US than from the US to Canada. A lot more, actually. The main reasons for doing this are job opportunities, marriage/long-term relationships, and the weather.
Ukraine is well-protected.
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posted March 28, 2025 09:44 PM |
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Correction: More people DID emigrate from Canada to the US than vice versa.
Ukraine ISN'T protected in any way. Ukraine is SUPPORTED with weapons (and credit) - that's it.
That's no protection, though.
And the US aren't protecting anyone anymore. Or, more correctly, US protection is now more like a racket, if you know what I mean.
Or, in other words, if Ukrainian, I wouldn't know whom to despise more, Putin or Trump.
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posted March 28, 2025 09:55 PM |
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Most Ukrainians despise Putin more. A lot more, actually.
Emmigration out of Canada to the US has increased in the past decade. Meaning it is higher than what it used to be.
Job opportunities and cost of living in Canada is, unfortunately, not that great. You do realize this, right? Ordinary people don't usually move or make other big decisions based on who is in the office for the next 4 years.
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posted March 28, 2025 10:29 PM |
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Past tense. Blizzard. The USA WERE more attractive.
And the hate-Putin-more thing will change. Give it time. Don't see much difference at this time, sorry.
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posted March 28, 2025 10:56 PM |
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This is what people said back in 2016, including me. Then it didn't happen.
Trump will be president for 4 years, and then there will be another president, etc.
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posted March 29, 2025 11:32 AM |
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4 years can be a very long time. We'll see what will happen, but it sure doesn't look good right now.
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See what? The idea that Trump is hated everywhere is totally absurd, and it's even more absurd to think the US is going to turn into a pariah state. Trump is widely popular in the most populous country in the world (India), moreso than in the US itself.
Oh, and since you brought up Israel. The guy before Netanyahu's first term was Yitzhak Rabin. Know what happened to him? He lectured the Israeli public about the need to demonstrate a higher level of morality and to be more accomodating with the Palestinians. His popularity declined and then he was eventually shot to death. It wasn't propaganda that made him fall out of favor. It was just the public itself getting increasingly pissed at him. The reason the world isn't very nice is because people aren't very nice, and the US is not going to become a pariah for using bully tactics here and there. There is nothing new about that in either major party.
You honestly believe the US is going to stop being a massive hub for expats and immigrants and research and students, as if the average person on planet Earth made those sort of decisions based on who is president? That is such a ridiculous way to think and it is so far removed from reality. What needs to happen for the US to stop being a highly desired destination is an economic depression where jobs disappear and paychecks go down, like the 30s, not a president in the Oval Office who says mean things.
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posted March 30, 2025 12:09 AM |
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That's a pretty absurd post. See what? What will happen - what is so difficult to grasp? We'll see how things will work out, that is, we don't have to guess a lot about the newxt 4 years, they will go down, no matter what.
Trump being popular in india is great - except he's pres of the US, not India, and India still leans more to the Russian side of the equation.
Israel? Yeah, Rabin. Or Jesus - that's supposed to be an important figure, especially in the US. You think that Jesus would be happy with Trump handling things? Or Netanjahu?
You STILL don't get that propaganda works.
Think about it: There has NEVER been ANY political entity that would have though of themselves as "evil" or "the bad side". It's just a matter of spinning the story the right way.
And, yes, the US will at least temporarily stop to be all that, because scientists are fleeing the US in droves at this point, and that will increase. Because it's not the president - it's the law. And at this point the current president is changing the law a lot.
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From funding cuts, yes, many scientists will have to return home.
But immigration versus emmigration, it is going to remain a huge net intake. That isn't some fancy prediction from me. It's just the fact that the US takes in a lot more people than those leaving, with tons of applicants, and this has been nonstop since the great depression started winding down. Something of that scale would need to happen again for there to actually be a decrease rather than an increase of people. The country would need to be economically devastated in some way.
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