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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Yep, Putin is going to war
Thread: Yep, Putin is going to war This thread is 70 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 10 20 30 40 50 60 ... 66 67 68 69 70 · «PREV
yogi
yogi


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posted May 19, 2022 04:40 AM

fred79 said:

me, i tried finding peace by not engaging with these people. and for a while, i felt good. but that washes away, the more i see our enemy prevail over everyone.


the older we get, the harder it is to be a kid

eventually we lose everything but the truth.

"BE the change you wish to see in the world"

BE peace



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ihor
ihor


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posted May 21, 2022 09:18 PM

This text provides arguments against most popular Russian narratives, many of which if not all we discussed in this thread.

https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2022/05/19/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-and-other-like-minded-intellectuals-on-the-russia-ukraine-war/

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Salamandre
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posted May 21, 2022 10:27 PM

Let's have them vs Chomsky in a debate, that's the way.

Because this is so presumptuous, random Ukrainian professors telling Noam Chomsky that he is "adding further fuel to the Russian war machine by spreading views very much akin to Russian propaganda."

I mean what's the goal? If you nuance anything about the ongoing war, you spread Russian propaganda, no less no more? How retarded are those guys?

At least give a link to what Chomsky did say. And then read response from your link, either it has no sense other than your own propaganda.
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artu
artu


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posted May 22, 2022 02:14 AM

The Chomsky link is a good read.
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ihor
ihor


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posted May 22, 2022 12:51 PM

I don't understand what's the point in your response. You say that you want a debate between them and Chomsky, but that is exactly what they asked for, read the very last paragraph. You say that we must first see what Chomsky says but they included the links in the very first paragraph. It's just showing that you didn't read the article.

The reason I posted this text is because these same patterns are clearly noticable here in this thread, including in what you post a lot. Instead of reading and evaluating the arguments and providing counter-arguments, you just ignored and started throwing your usual stuff that Russians don't always lie and manipulate. That is not what we're talking about.

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Salamandre
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posted May 22, 2022 02:50 PM

The point is that I was aware of Chomsky analysis and I didn't come here to brag about, because I know you guys are in a bloody war, where innocent people die, thus the cold intellectual aspect, the geopolitical mishmash and the quintessence of why this really happened and how to stop it beside yelling profanities at Russians, should be kept between those who understand them then have the power and willing to act. We talked about and we agreed to disagree.

But then you drop in and accuse Chomsky to be a Russian propaganda vector, with link to same worthless and simplistic one-sided analysis we are brainwashed from start, like the expansion of NATO not being on paper, denying sovereignty, US not having any influences in Ukraine and such crap.

Those mean nothing if you look at them only from your perspective. Do you really believe Gorbachev would have signed anything if he was told NATO will go up to Ukraine? Do you really believe major powers as US and China would allow close neighboring nations to hold enemy military bases? Do you really think US has no paramount interest in using Ukraine as a Trojan horse to pull out of both economically and militarily competition their enemy from always, Russia?

Putin told what he was going to do since 2008 then warned everyone around of consequences. Nobody dared to listen because one side (softy EU)  thought he was  bluffing, then the other side (US) wanted him to become the bad guy everyone points fingers at.

So I agree with Chomsky that US approach to Ukraine and Russia has left the domain of rational discourse, it is all about cynical plots and interests, as always when it comes to powers of such magnitude.  

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purerogue
purerogue


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posted May 22, 2022 04:48 PM

Salamandre said:
Gorbachev would have signed anything


The crux is that "Ukraine" was given too much land (+,=that it cannot defend) so this is merely a correction.

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Pol
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posted May 22, 2022 06:22 PM

https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2022/05/19/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-and-other-like-minded-intellectuals-on-the-russia-ukraine-war/

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NimoStar
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posted May 22, 2022 09:54 PM

It's always the same "tis war is diferent, this war is good, this war is moral" that USA says every ar. Said the same aoutIraq. Said the same about Yugoslavia. Said the same abou Libya. Said the same about Afghanistan. Said the same aout Syria.

Curiously such "military aid to the righteus fighters for freedom and democracy" (islamists, nazis, ultranationalits, and so forth) never turns out good, wonder why that is.
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fred79
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posted May 22, 2022 10:37 PM

NimoStar said:
It's always the same "tis war is diferent, this war is good, this war is moral" that USA says every ar. Said the same aoutIraq. Said the same about Yugoslavia. Said the same abou Libya. Said the same about Afghanistan. Said the same aout Syria.

Curiously such "military aid to the righteus fighters for freedom and democracy" (islamists, nazis, ultranationalits, and so forth) never turns out good, wonder why that is.


do you even actually read anything i post? or are you and the others actually learning disabled?

nevermind, i know the answer. the world telegraphs snow for you people in bold lettering ten feet tall, and you still don't grasp it. this snow isn't rocket science; all of you should be capable of grasping the obvious.

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