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posted October 11, 2007 04:18 AM |
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I have to agree here. Im from isreal and i have to admit the only reason we arent pretty much engulfed in border skirmishes is because america is holding the threads together. We may be able to hold our ground but thats definatly taking a huge risk.
Broadcasting propoganda? the people there know what propoganda is. theyve had it from their goverment for years and years.Assuming it works so what. New goverment, they get food and medical care and then they kill the inspectors anyway.
And blockading? thats back to step one! you need an army to blockade people from smuggling properly. No major country would openly sell them lots of things anyway
Edit: and yeah no country goes down on a downward spiral "just like that" were not talking about 1 state here. One might be gone but theres thousands of politicians in other states that can fill up the higher ranks . Oh and the "star wars" project may not work. but we most likely will have warning if a nuke launches.
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posted October 11, 2007 04:21 AM |
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I have to agree here. Im from isreal and i have to admit the only reason we arent pretty much engulfed in border skirmishes is because america is holding the threads together. We may be able to hold our ground but thats definatly taking a huge risk.
Broadcasting propoganda? the people there know what propoganda is. theyve had it from their goverment for years and years.Assuming it works so what. New goverment, they get food and medical care and then they kill the inspectors anyway.
And blockading? thats back to step one! you need an army to blockade people from smuggling properly. No major country would openly sell them lots of things anyway
true that, i hadnt even thought that they had seen propaganda for years as it is... Good Point!
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posted October 11, 2007 02:00 PM |
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we are the only thing holding that hellhole up... We pull out immediately, we kill off an entire section off the planet, You think us leaving is going to make all of them stop and say " hmmmm, Lets make a democracy."??? Hell no it isnt... it is going to make them feel like they have accomplished something, like they forced us out... If that happens, what makes you think they wont try something else with the terrorists boost of morale?
I think it is obvious that we are not wanted there, but we are needed.
and the people that arent involved with fighting for our country, should not speak down on anything that is going on...
Did I say anything about making Iran a true democracy? (BTW, it already is, at least in name.) No, I don't think that a democracy would work. But it matters that they should have a regime with whom we can negotiate.
Of course they would think that they forced us out. It would be true. But whatever they do with the morale boost won't be to us.
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Ah yes, we broadcast it in on the government-controlled radio and TV networks. That'll work.
We broadcast it from the ships that are blockading Iran.
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Mvass, it's unlikely that the military would be paralyzed as they would still have many high-ranking officers elswhere. And, as I stated, not all senators would be present, and the line of succession is clear enough that they'd find a survivor to be President relatively quickly.
It doesn't matter if they can find a successor to the President and high-ranking officers. The rank-and-file of the army would be fighting on different sides. They would desert en masse.
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I have to agree here. Im from isreal and i have to admit the only reason we arent pretty much engulfed in border skirmishes is because america is holding the threads together. We may be able to hold our ground but thats definatly taking a huge risk.
Israel is a relatively powerful nation. Certainly, it is stronger than any Middle Eastern nation (except maybe Saudi Arabia, I'm not sure about it. But Saudi Arabia isn't likely to attack Israel).
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Broadcasting propoganda? the people there know what propoganda is. theyve had it from their goverment for years and years.Assuming it works so what. New goverment, they get food and medical care and then they kill the inspectors anyway.
They will see what they could have, and protest massively. And there's no way the new government would kill the inspectors. They might try to force them out, but killing them? No.
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posted October 11, 2007 06:01 PM |
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Yes, Mvass, we broadcast it from those ships onto the government-controlled channels, and they block it. Regardless, they won't listen. They've been indoctrinated so deeply with their own government's propadanda, they're not listening to anyone else's.
And also, the Army's not going to split down the middle for no reason. A bomb goes off in DC. Wow, we'll just listen to the second-in-command of the army! Problem solved!
Your statement that the Army's going to desert en masse is blatantly ridiculous.
And Isreal cannot take on Egypt, Iran, Syria, and Jordan all by themselves. They're good, but not that good.
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posted October 11, 2007 09:45 PM |
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we are the only thing holding that hellhole up... We pull out immediately, we kill off an entire section off the planet, You think us leaving is going to make all of them stop and say " hmmmm, Lets make a democracy."??? Hell no it isnt... it is going to make them feel like they have accomplished something, like they forced us out... If that happens, what makes you think they wont try something else with the terrorists boost of morale?
I think it is obvious that we are not wanted there, but we are needed.
and the people that arent involved with fighting for our country, should not speak down on anything that is going on...
Did I say anything about making Iran a true democracy? (BTW, it already is, at least in name.) No, I don't think that a democracy would work. But it matters that they should have a regime with whom we can negotiate.
Of course they would think that they forced us out. It would be true. But whatever they do with the morale boost won't be to us.
wrong... it will be against us, us that "suppressed" them.
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Ah yes, we broadcast it in on the government-controlled radio and TV networks. That'll work.
We broadcast it from the ships that are blockading Iran.[/quote
broadcast from a ship, that is easily blocked.... until they sink that ship for blockading them...
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Mvass, it's unlikely that the military would be paralyzed as they would still have many high-ranking officers elswhere. And, as I stated, not all senators would be present, and the line of succession is clear enough that they'd find a survivor to be President relatively quickly.
It doesn't matter if they can find a successor to the President and high-ranking officers. The rank-and-file of the army would be fighting on different sides. They would desert en masse.
No, just no... that isnt going to happen, the people in the military VOLUNTEERED to join the military because they are fighting for the PROTECTION og the United States... If they all fallout{which will not happen} the US is left UNPROTECTED, which they will not accept
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Broadcasting propoganda? the people there know what propoganda is. theyve had it from their goverment for years and years.Assuming it works so what. New goverment, they get food and medical care and then they kill the inspectors anyway.
They will see what they could have, and protest massively. And there's no way the new government would kill the inspectors. They might try to force them out, but killing them? No.
kill them... yes. That is what they do when they feel threatened... S
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mvassilev
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posted October 11, 2007 09:53 PM |
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Yes, Mvass, we broadcast it from those ships onto the government-controlled channels, and they block it. Regardless, they won't listen. They've been indoctrinated so deeply with their own government's propadanda, they're not listening to anyone else's.
Actually, there were protests in Tehran recently. So they're not that controlled by their government.
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And also, the Army's not going to split down the middle for no reason.
They're not going to do it for no reason. I already told you:
1. Bomb.
2. Panic.
3. Looters.
4. More panic.
5. Army tries to conduct domestic and foreign policy at the same time, while trying to fix everything that the explosion has done. Not doing too well, it being unexpected.
6. Looting starts in neighboring cities.
7. The regular gun-owning people start shooting the looters.
8. The looters start stealing guns and fighting back.
9. Al Sharpton: Hey! You racists! Stop shooting the African-Americans! (Since most of the looters are poor, and a great portion of Washington D.C.'s poor population is African-American.)
People defending themselves: We're defending ourselves!
NAACP: No, you're not!
KKK: Hey, good opportunity to come out of the shadows!
10. The army is paralyzed because it is divided too, and there are massive fights.
11. Everything escalates and becomes worse. There are protests around the country, the National Guard tries to put them down, accused of intolerance, and things just sprial downhill from there.
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And Isreal cannot take on Egypt, Iran, Syria, and Jordan all by themselves. They're good, but not that good.
Didn't Israel take on Egypt, Syria, and Jordan by themselves before? And the other countries aren't going to let Iran through, not even to attack Israel.
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texcaboose
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posted October 11, 2007 11:53 PM |
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and all of this happens if we leave the middle east and let them have fun building bombs. in order this scenario to be logical at all
all radar and advanced satelites we have watching for missles everywhere on Earth somehow malfuction at the same time this missle is launched.
Good Luck coming up with an answer to that one...
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roy-algriffin
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posted October 12, 2007 12:23 AM |
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Countries have survived even where soldiers were actually able to loot as much as they wanted with no resistance. and were not talking about a small one here.
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mvassilev
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posted October 12, 2007 12:59 AM |
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and all of this happens if we leave the middle east and let them have fun building bombs.
Yes. That's why I'm saying that, despite getting out of Iraq, we still shouldn't let Iran get nuclear weapons.
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all radar and advanced satelites we have watching for missles everywhere on Earth somehow malfuction at the same time this missle is launched.
What missile? I'm talking about terrorists stealing/buying an Iranian bomb to sneak into the US and blow it up. No missiles involved.
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Countries have survived even where soldiers were actually able to loot as much as they wanted with no resistance. and were not talking about a small one here.
I'm not talking about soldiers looting as much as they want. I'm talking about everyone looting, the military being unready and partially unwilling to stop them and eventually a civil war starting. Yes, countries have survived looting, but many have not survived civil wars.
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posted October 12, 2007 01:07 AM |
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I'm assuming by "everyone", you mean "a small percentage of the population". Me, and most of the people I know, wouldn't start looting stores just because D.C. got nuked- that doesn't make sense.
It also doesn't stop the Police from functioning either.
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mvassilev
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posted October 12, 2007 01:14 AM |
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The looting would start in DC, and would spread. Then people would start shooting the looters, and someone would make it an ethnic issue, and then the military and police would start taking sides, and a full-scale civil war would start.
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roy-algriffin
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posted October 12, 2007 01:16 AM |
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Exactly. By soldiers looting whatever i mean without restraint at all or fear for legal or moral consequences. yes if "everyone" looted it would be more devestating. but if theres a lot of people protecting their property and theres people looting at the same time it cant possibly be everyone.And the police isnt going to be defunct.
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mvassilev
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posted October 12, 2007 01:25 AM |
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The looting will partially stop after a while after the civil war starts in earnest. The people protecting their property will be involved in the civil war, as will be the split police.
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roy-algriffin
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posted October 12, 2007 01:34 AM |
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Seems wierd. you could use several thousand soldiers to prevent all of that happening . Better then a civil war there, a possible civil war in america, or possible invasion of isreal! In the end think about it. what is simply better in the end. Even if your a selfish bastard you can at least be a cautious selfish bastard.(not reffering specifically to you mvass, but what your country will probably be reffered to as if you do this)
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posted October 12, 2007 01:36 AM |
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and all of this happens if we leave the middle east and let them have fun building bombs.
Yes. That's why I'm saying that, despite getting out of Iraq, we still shouldn't let Iran get nuclear weapons.
if we are not there we can not stop them! you really think asking is going to make them not build bombs? hell no it wont...
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all radar and advanced satelites we have watching for missles everywhere on Earth somehow malfuction at the same time this missle is launched.
What missile? I'm talking about terrorists stealing/buying an Iranian bomb to sneak into the US and blow it up. No missiles involved.
whatever, how do you propose a plane carrying an Iranian Nucleur bomb makes it past all the satelites and radar?
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Countries have survived even where soldiers were actually able to loot as much as they wanted with no resistance. and were not talking about a small one here.
I'm not talking about soldiers looting as much as they want. I'm talking about everyone looting, the military being unready and partially unwilling to stop them and eventually a civil war starting. Yes, countries have survived looting, but many have not survived civil wars.
except the UNITED STATES!! wow, in case you forgot we have been through two of them already...
the first being against Britain while we were still part of them. and the second being the freaking Civil War... nice try though..
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posted October 12, 2007 01:41 AM |
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Just about that nuclear bomb thing... there is possible to get a nuclear bomb into a land if it's planned good enough and you have resources enough...
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posted October 12, 2007 03:15 AM |
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The looting would start in DC, and would spread. Then people would start shooting the looters, and someone would make it an ethnic issue, and then the military and police would start taking sides, and a full-scale civil war would start.
*sigh*
Obviously, there's no way I can convince you otherwise that this isn't going to happen. Looting isn't going to spread from DC across the country like a disease, that's just plain ridiculous. And it's complete bullcrap that someone would make it an ethic issue.
Also, it is possible to get a bomb in any country. Difficult, but it's always possible.
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texcaboose
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posted October 12, 2007 04:17 AM |
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The looting would start in DC, and would spread. Then people would start shooting the looters, and someone would make it an ethnic issue, and then the military and police would start taking sides, and a full-scale civil war would start.
*sigh*
Obviously, there's no way I can convince you otherwise that this isn't going to happen. Looting isn't going to spread from DC across the country like a disease, that's just plain ridiculous. And it's complete bullcrap that someone would make it an ethic issue.
Also, it is possible to get a bomb in any country. Difficult, but it's always possible.
it would not be possible for a plane to leave iran, fly to the united states, and drop a bomb without us figuring it out and swatting that plane out of the sky... it just wouldn't get past us, our radar/satelites are way too advanced to let some crap like that slide...
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roy-algriffin
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posted October 12, 2007 04:28 AM |
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You can use disguised boats and such as well. And a plane was hijacked in the twin towers thing as well.
And as for planes theres radar jamming and stealth bomber capabilites, With the right resources (which iraq will most likely never have)you could indeed get a bomb there with a plane
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mvassilev
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posted October 12, 2007 04:30 AM |
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What if they just hijack another plane?
And, as for stopping Iran, we wouldn't just ask them. If they refuse the deal, we would blockade them.
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