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Undead_Knight
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posted October 19, 2002 06:26 PM |
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Yes Dargon u right I was joking, in reality ppl from Iraq want american military governor instead of Hussain very much and they want it more and more with each new bomb throwed vs Iraq military objects but hit house instead and with each new death because of lack of food and medicine. Also Iraq ppl incredible happy that US position in UN dont permit them to sell oil and buy enough food and medicine. If american army will win and enter Bagdad Iraq womans will be so happy that these soldiers killed theirs sons and husbands that surelly will meet them with flowers and so on...
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Wolfman
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posted October 19, 2002 09:10 PM |
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On CNN they said that if the U.S. goes in and liberates Baghdad two things will happen:
1: There will be dancing in the streets
2: They will find large hoardes of Nukes and Bio Weapons
But they didn't seem to mention what Saddam's loyal followers will do.
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dArGOn
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posted October 20, 2002 08:36 AM |
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" Also Iraq ppl incredible happy that US position in UN dont permit them to sell oil and buy enough food and medicine. If american army will win and enter Bagdad Iraq womans will be so happy that these soldiers killed theirs sons and husbands that surelly will meet them with flowers and so on... "
It helps if people read up on current events a little more often….we have been allowing oil to be sold for food and medicine for quite sometime. Saddam has quite efficiently diverted most of this money to build his palaces and weapons….guess he doesn’t put quite the same emphasis as the basic necessities for his own people that the rest of the world does.
And yes the Iraqis love that they have NO freedom whatsoever. They are quickly murdered and tortured if they voice any discontent whatsoever! The current reelection of him by 100% of the people should quite quickly make that clear for anyone. Can anyone name me ONE leader in a democratic free country that was elected by 100% of the people? I thought not. What a grand place to live…in fact I heard that millions of people are flocking to immigrate to Iraq as it is such an esteemed, prosperous, free, and blissful country to live in...if only those damned western democracies would leave them be.
Oh yes the Iraqi woman…they are ecstatic that they now have as much personal rights as a pig or cow…..they love the domination and absence of liberty they experience….they are so valued in Saddam’s little nightmare. Maybe we should all undergo a sex change and move to Iraq so we can be so cherished.
In fact I heard the woman’s movement actually started in Iraq. They have a very powerful political lobby and Saddam has actually allowed them to take a crap in the toilet without a man witnessing to insure that they are doing it in the correct manner. What great steps that society has taken to advance the dignity of women! (PS for anyone who isn’t aware, the last paragraph was pure fiction…or so I assume)
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posted October 20, 2002 10:25 AM |
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I think Iraq get food and medicine for their oil instead of money isnt it ? but every time US dont like anything this trading stoped, so seems its the main reason that Iraq cant have enough food and medicine . About freedom I can mention that ppl in Iraq have as much freedom as in any arabian country, and u know most of the arabian countries have good relations with US, so ppl freedom isnt very important thing to US government. Also in Iraq freedom of ppl only limited by government, while in most arabian countries it also limited by muslim church. About palaces I can mention that any arabian governor spend lots of money on palaces, weapons, horses, and so on, but it isnt problem because they sell oil, dont let any other arabian country to sell oil and it will be in miserable condition like Iraq too. The main difference between Iraq and most of other arabian countries is anti american position of the Iraq government, and seems for US its enough to turn life of millions ppl in permanent nightmare. I m sure US government want to do same with Iran, but Iran became strong during last 20 years and they fear to touch it.
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posted October 20, 2002 11:14 AM |
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He won't surrender or be captured the only way is assasination.
But the U.S. won't assasinate him because we tried that in Vietnam and it backfired.
Vietnam LOL well anyways yea we tried before but Bush backed off.
He should of pulled all the way through & did away with him back then, now it's probally too late.
They say from a yr from now Saddam will have the nuclear bomb.
He may even have one ready now as far as we know.
Vietnam what the hell we fighting for with all these young peoiple fighting someone elses war & they dont get nothing for thier legs 7 arms they dont have.
Seing their friends get literally blown to bits.
Bush is going to bring us all down & his daddy is supporting his actions.
You will see & from what I read from certain books about the new city going down first I will bet you New York will go down first.
Sr. Bush should of gotten rid of him before this all happened but he backed out now it's all going to backfire.
They say we all want war & hate Iraq, your all dead wrong it's our government & president thats hates & want war.
How do we know that our own govt set that terrost act in Indonesia just say they can start a war in Middle east & we get away free.
Why is it that we cant even find the Sniper who seems to always get away.
Last shooting was at a home depot.
It's really sad they were a young couple who just got married & wants to refurnish thier home & went to home depot to buy some cabinents & all to decorate thier new home & out of no where boom the wife is shot dead & in 10 min all the roads were closed & there were only two ways out of that street & guess what?? He got away.
Dont it make you think what really might be going on under our noses & we dont even know about it?
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posted October 20, 2002 12:10 PM |
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Rules of War..... (i just feel like adding this since its VERY relevant)
After beating an enemy do either
1. Embrace him as a friend
2. Make him go away (kill him totally)
Doing neither will amount to nothing thus making an effort worthless. Anything other than the stated rules above are a "compromise" which mean nothing since they are ALWAYS broken. (this is in war anyway treaties etc..)
I see this as common knowledge and common sense if u dont do about something it will come back to haunt u again and again
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posted October 23, 2002 06:46 AM |
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“About freedom I can mention that ppl in Iraq have as much freedom as in any arabian country”
You got to know that is not true…sure many Muslim countries restrict freedom….but not near the degree of Iraq particularly in the last decade or so….gassing there own people, torturing and killing those who disagree, holding completely false elections, attacking their neighbors without provocation, etc.
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“freedom isnt very important thing to US government.”
Hmmmm would seem practically all the times we sent our sons to die in battle for other peoples freedom would dispute that!
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“The main difference between Iraq and most of other arabian countries is anti American position of the Iraq government”
ummm I think it is fair to say there are many anti-American sentiments in the middle east besides Iraq
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“ Iran became strong during last 20 years and they fear to touch it.”
Believe me….USA fears few countries and Iran definitely isn’t one of em. If Iran did all Iraq has done…we would be at their doorsteps as well.
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posted October 23, 2002 05:19 PM |
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Iran became strong during last 20 years and they fear to touch it.
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I think Iraq get food and medicine for their oil instead of money isnt it ?
It is right that Iraq became strong during last 20 years. Because, US and EU supported Iraq against in Iran in the 80's and early 90's. They secretly gave Iraq weapons (chemicals included), technology, and money. US thought that having a lapdog in the area to control the fundemantalist Iran was better than controlling the area himself.
The same thing goes for Afghanistan too. US gave military and economical support to Thaliban against Russia.
US (and EU) politicians and army created the mosters. Cvilians pay for their crimes (both US and Iraq-Afgan citizens)
Killing Saddam will solve nothing.
Only the names will change. SaddamI will go SaddamII will come.
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posted October 24, 2002 06:29 AM |
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Yes they did but it was the Soviets not Russians that attacked Afghanistan.
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posted October 24, 2002 07:05 AM |
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well if you ask me, we should ahve taken him out in Desert Storm....I mean if we would have, do you think we would still be going through this?! Nope!
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posted October 24, 2002 10:35 AM |
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We should and could have, unfortunately politics meant abbandoning the people who rebelled against hussain to their fate in favour of that time following the UN.........
Oh to have defied them at that stage!
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posted October 24, 2002 12:45 PM |
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Obviously, no.
1) Using an attack by one country to justify a campaign against another is just absurd. I honestly think Dubya must have rocks in his head. Thank Ganesh I'm Canadian, and won't get bombed no matter what.
2) Um, uh, gee, how do I express this? PEACE GOOD. WAR BAD.
3) It's NONE OF THE US' BUSINESS!!! News flash, mr. Powell: It is NOT the responsibility of the United States, or any nation, to act as peacekeeper! If all the arab nations united, and immediately demanded that the US disarm itself, would they comply? Uh, NO! And don't give me any of this good guy-bad guy crap. Mind your own f***ing business.
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Wolfman
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posted October 24, 2002 02:31 PM |
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well if you ask me, we should ahve taken him out in Desert Storm....I mean if we would have, do you think we would still be going through this?! Nope!
That's what the U.S. did wrong, they didn't follow through. We need to strike quick and strong and get out of there. It is the only language that they understand.
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Gangrail
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posted October 24, 2002 07:08 PM |
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I agree 100%. All the government is doing with this petty stuff, is wasting tax payers money!
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posted October 24, 2002 08:20 PM |
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A team of three tops, can go in and assasinate Saddam. But that won't happen because the U.S. tried that in Vietnam and it backfired.
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posted October 24, 2002 10:16 PM |
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It will acheive nothing if all you do is assasinate hussain as his followers will find someone to take over. What is needed is to kill off hussain and his followers and remove their political ability
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Wolfman
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posted October 24, 2002 10:19 PM |
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You assasinate Saddam and his followers are thrown into chaos and a new political party will move in and kill his followers. It has happened before.
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privatehudson
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posted October 24, 2002 10:23 PM |
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That's why you step in to ensure the party that does take over is at least democratically elected and somewhat more sane than sadam! It also buys you the time needed to put in place proper inspections of the weapons the USA and UK are so damn sure he has
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Wolfman
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posted October 24, 2002 10:26 PM |
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Mad_Unicorn
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posted October 25, 2002 12:07 AM |
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Uhm no....
Taking out his supporters and anybody that follows him is not the answer, as somebody just as bad or worse will replace him maybe not with the same ideals but the need to attack it will arise again.
All needs be done is finish them economically, politically(tried) or totally. With no economic support they will again become a 3rd world country. This is impossible as we require something they have in semi-abundance .. oil. Now if we had a brain we would delve into another energy source but that would be hard and costly. So taking them out economically is pointless. Politically is pointless too as i stated a new tyrant or somethin will just take his place and if u eliminate all communication with iraq all that will happen is a sneak attack that we are not prepared for.
Thus it comes down to totally which is just as stupid but atleast you will not have any more outbreaks from that part of the world. This is not the best thing to do morally but probably the most efficient thing to do.
Of course i have some "hate" towards them so my oppinion may be biased. If you have a problem face it and get rid of it is the way i have lived 
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