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posted December 30, 2003 10:18 PM

Well I happen to have a whole Library of historical books, mostly post 1800, but with some variety. I've too many really, sort of boxed up in my room taking up all the space. One day I might read them all... one day
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posted January 02, 2004 12:41 AM

STOP GETTING OFF TOPIC!

Anyway, while attacking Iraq was not Bush's most intelligent desicion, it was, no doubt, effective. Saddam Hussein did bad things, and now he has been caught. They should kill him because if they don't, he might escape by somebody's aid.
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posted January 17, 2004 03:35 PM

Wolfman -- what factors do you consider acceptable to use in college admissions?
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posted January 17, 2004 03:55 PM

So extra curricular activities, volunteer work, after-school or summer jobs, artistic talent, musical ability, participation in sports, personal statement, admission interview, anything that isn't a number or letter shouldn't be considered?
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posted January 17, 2004 05:15 PM

Affirmative Action?

Perhaps another way to look at it is: Why does a person go to college? And how does that fit in with what a college looks for in a potential student?
If you go to college to learn certain skills and methods that qualify you for specific professions (accounting, chemistry, pre-med, teaching), then it doesn't really matter where you go to school. If you're good at what you do, it will show when you start doing it.
On the other hand, colleges should be looking for students that will fit into both the learning and social atmosphere of the school ("social atmosphere" is where knowledge of the prospective student's extracurricular activities become important).
Neither of these criteria disqualify anyone because of their race or their sex. Seeking out women, and racial or ethnic minorities is, at the least, a waste of time.
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posted January 17, 2004 07:09 PM

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Sure, I don't see how a summer job has anything to do with it, but yeah that stuff works.  Race and gender don't.


Summer jobs can be relevant to what they happen to be studying, and can provide more experience, therefore knowledge. Example would be working on a local dig all summer before going to university to do archeology or similar.
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posted January 17, 2004 08:36 PM
Edited By: Peacemaker on 17 Jan 2004

This is an important enough topic that I think we should split it off and have a whole new thread on it.

But for right now, my brother sent me this e-mail today, and I thought it might spark some discussion.  I don't know how reliable this data is and don't necessarily agree with the commentator's sentiments, but anyway, here it is.


Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: Fw: News from the FRONT!!
 
I wanted to share an email my daughter sent to me.  Her husband, Brian, is still in Iraq...a little north of Baghdad.

Most of the following information is not reported in the media, and you may not realize just how many GOOD things are happening there.
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The 1st battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated & is on duty.
-----over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.
-----nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning
-----The Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.
-----On Monday, Oct. 6, power generation his 4,518 megawatts--exceeding the pre-war average output.
-----all 22 universities and 43 technical schools are open, as are almost all primary and secondary schools.
-----By Oct. 1, Coalition forces had rehabbed over 1500 schools, 500 more than the goal.
-----teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.
-----all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.
-----doctors' salaries are at least 8 times what they were under Saddam.
-----pharmaceutical supplies has gone from almost nothing to 700 to 12000 tons a month.
-----the Coalition forces have helped to administer 22 millions vaccine doses to Iraq's children.
-----the Coalition has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000  kilometers of weed-choked canals.
-----we have restored over three-quarters of pre-war telephone service.
-----the wheels of commerce are turning from bicycles, cars, trucks, and other goods and services in the towns and villages.
-----Iraqi banks are making loans to finance business.
-----the central bank is fully independent.
-----Iraq has one of the world's most growth-oriented investment and banking laws
-----Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.
-----satellite dishes are legal.
-----foreign journalists are not on a 10-day visa time frame.
-----there is no Ministry Of Information.
-----there are more than 170 newspapers.
-----people are now free to come and go at will.
-----in Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils.  
Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its own chairman.
-----today, the chamber of commerce, businesses, schools, and professional organizations are electing their own leaders all over the country.
-----Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, are now legal.
-----for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala, thousands of Shiites
celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam
-----the Coalition has completed 13,000 reconstruction projects
-----Uday and Queasy are dead!
-----Children are not imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with government policy.
-----millions of Iraqis no longer live in perpetual fear of terror.
-----Saudis will hold municipal elections.
-----Jordan is accelerating market reforms and trade.
-----the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to an Iranian for the first time, a Muslin WOMAN who speaks out with courage for human rights, democracy & peace.
-----Saddam has been captured!!!

Strange as it may seem, there is still a great deal of antagonism toward President Bush, and our Military---especially from the News Media and Liberal Senators as to what a miserable flop the whole operation was!  
Since most Americans don't know these things, you might want to pass it on.


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posted January 17, 2004 08:42 PM

Go ahead and split it, Consis can have the honors.  I just wanted to revive this thread.

It's a real shame the media doesn't report the victories.  Glad you have seen what has happened over there, Peacemaker.  So much of the public has no idea of the progress over there.
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posted January 18, 2004 02:26 PM

Thread Splitting?

1) If the thread splits, I assume the "affirmative action" thread will go elsewhere. Where will I find it?
2) I read that list of accomplishments in Iraq somewhere else. I hope it's not an urban legend.
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posted January 19, 2004 02:00 AM

Urban legend?  Victories in Iraq is an urban legend?  How so?
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posted January 19, 2004 07:02 PM

As I said in the post, I received that message via muptiple-level e-mail and do not know how reliable it is.

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posted January 20, 2004 07:58 AM
Edited By: fd10801 on 20 Jan 2004

I tracked it to [url=http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=5211]ChronWatch[/url]

"... an anonymously written list has been making its way around the Internet... this list covers all the accomplishments and positive developments in Iraq and the region since May 1st.   The list has appeared at several websites, but it is currently posted at FrontPageMagazine.com.  According to the site's editors, the contents are based on a press conference held by Paul Bremer, Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, on October 9, 2003.
The other day I was able to track it FrontPageMagazine, and the author was Anonymous. Today, I found it at Snopes' [url=http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/combatend.asp]Urban Legends[/url], "Status: Incomplete"

So, who knows? As I said above, I hope it's true.

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posted January 21, 2004 10:50 PM

Gosh! Thanks fd 10801 for all your research.  Let us know any further developments.

(I'm not quite sure how to interpret "status incomplete.....???")
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posted January 22, 2004 09:33 PM

Progress in Iraq

I found a more authentic looking article at e.thePeople:
http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/28607/view?viewtype=best

The article begins "From the Commanding Officer at MWSS-171 to his Marines." Not the way a military memorandum would begin. The rest of the article has more detail, than any of the other stories released. This could be the source.
Looking under MWSS-171, I found this version:
http://www.iraqandiraqis.com/Attorney.htm#Here
Another copy can be found, with the author identified as Seitz LtCol Scot S (I think that Scot should be spelled, and that a Lieutenant Colonel would abbreviate his rank "LTC")
There is a LTC Scot Seitz
It's been reprinted in so many places, it's hard to say whether it's real or not.

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posted January 23, 2004 04:49 AM

It's real.

The original article I saw appeared in one of the newspapers we get in Japan.  It's called 'Stars and Stripes'.  

What amazes me about the paper is that it isn't a house organ for rampant republicanism.  I have read more clear and concise voices of dissension about the war there than I have anywhere else.  But the CO's words caught my eyes.

I had considered posting the article to add more fuel to the fire of this debate but right now I am still reeling from my president's state of the union adress.

How our president went from describing the horrific amounts of WMDs in last year's state of the union address to "dozens of weapons of mass destruction related program activities" in this year's is causing my head to spin.

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posted January 23, 2004 02:26 PM

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-----the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to an Iranian for the first time, a Muslin WOMAN who speaks out with courage for human rights, democracy & peace.




So Ms. Ebadi received her Nobel Peace Prize because of Bush's war and not because of her years and years of tireless work?

It should also be pointed out that Muslin is a type of cloth.  The word in question is "Muslim."
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posted January 27, 2004 03:00 AM

I still like the irony of depleted uranium munitions being used to stop a country using WMD.
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posted January 27, 2004 07:37 PM

Or the irony of using gunships to stop ethnic cleansing when the same gunships are named after tribes treated in a not disimilar way. The world is full of such things
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posted January 30, 2004 08:17 PM

Thanks for noticing, PH.  On behalf of indigenous peoples everywhere.
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posted January 30, 2004 08:39 PM

Here's another recently circulating e-mail I received from a friend.

As I told my friend, we can agree with what has happened or not.  But people cannot formulate opinions of any value unless those opinions are informed.

Quote:
> From the Commanding Officer at MWSS-171 to his Marines.

Marines and Sailors,

As we approach the end of the year I think it is important to share a few thoughts about what you've accomplished, directly in some cases, and indirectly in many others. I am speaking about what the Bush Administration and each of you has contributed by wearing the uniform, because the fact that you wear the uniform contributes 100% to the
capability of the nation to send a few onto the field to execute national policy. As you read about these achievements you are a part of, I would call your attention to two things:

1. This is good news that hasn't been "judged" fit to print or report on TV.

2. It is much easier to point out the errors a man makes when he makes the tough decisions, rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...

... the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.

... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

... nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

... the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

... on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts-exceeding the prewar average.

... all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

... by October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than scheduled.

... teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

... all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

... doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

... pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

... the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to Iraq's children.

... a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

... we have restored over three-quarters of prewar elephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

... there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000 by year-end.

... the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns.

... 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

... the central bank is fully independent.

...Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

...Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

... satellite TV dishes are legal.

... foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government spies.

... there IS no Ministry of Information.

... there are more than 170 newspapers.

... you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

... foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

... a nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial or executive - of a representative government, now does.

... in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman.

... today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

... the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

... Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

... for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

... the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

... Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

... children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

... political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

... millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

... Saudis will hold municipal elections.

...Qataris reforming education to give more choices to parents.

...Jordanis accelerating market economic reforms.

... the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian -- a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy
and for peace.

... Saddam is gone.

...Iraqis free.

... President Bush has not faltered or failed.

... Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the Press corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important.

Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than Germany did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military deaths from fanatic Nazi's, and Japanese numbered in the thousands and continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared.

It took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris, let alone attempt to build something else in its place.

Now, take into account that Congress fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this country's war and the post-war reconstruction; and that they continue to claim on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our brothers and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world could have accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in so short a period of time?

These are things worth writing about. Get the word out. Write to someone you think may be able to influence our Congress or the press to tell the story.

Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.

God Bless you all. Have a great Holiday.

Semper Fidelis,

CO



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