thGryphn said:

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I respect your view too. In an ideal world, we wouldn't have this conversation, but the current reality requires a skill wheel that covers beyond the ideal.

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dredknight said:

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thGryphn said:

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I respect your view too. In an ideal world, we wouldn't have this conversation, but the current reality requires a skill wheel that covers beyond the ideal.

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In regards to the internal skillwheel talk I will say just this.
When you do something you make it as good as perfect.

This means to make a skillwheel for each class as it is meant to be (default 12 skills).

By adding more skills you admit and accept the flaws.
By accepting the flaws as part of the game, you make them part of the game and purely philosophically you lower the chance of fixing it .

If you are in doubt just make a poll and see what people think.
I will definitely vote for default 12 skills.

If coding them is too much work to do, I dont mind later on to take some part of the job and help out with making them perfect.

Cheers

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dredknight said:

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I was referring to problematic classes that get outside-of-the-box skills.

I dont mind Barbs presentation tobe different than the rest.
It will be different in the Open skillwheel program as well.

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magnomagus said:

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The wheel design should obviously be based on 12 skills

but how do you even planning on implementing 22 skillwheels ingame? this would require to add 22-24 buttons on the levelup window.

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magnomagus said:

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I think it is technically possible, but I should warn you it is difficult and the entire structure must be build ingame 2 times because you cannot simply link from a level-up screen button to the manual in the hero info windows. The game doesn't allow that because it is 'internally in another screen'.

I recommend figuring out all that before continuing work on the graphics, because that is the most tedious part of the work. Also how do you plan to fit in the skill descriptions? .. EDIT ok I see now you want them to popup in the middle, but have you figured out how to do that in game as well?

Regardless this looks great!

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thGryphn said:

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To make sure everyone correctly understands the idea, here is what I have:



The 12 skills on the "wheel". The extras on the bottom corners.

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magnomagus said:

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Is there any logic behind order in which you placed the factions because in game it is almost always: Haven,Sylvan,Inferno,Necro,Aca,Dungeon,Fortress,Stronghold
That's why it looks illogical to me.

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dredknight said:

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Gryphn it looks great! really like the wheel!

magnomagus said:

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Is there any logic behind order in which you placed the factions because in game it is almost always: Haven,Sylvan,Inferno,Necro,Aca,Dungeon,Fortress,Stronghold
That's why it looks illogical to me.

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Actually it is Haven, Inferno, Necro, Sylvan, Dungeon, Academy, Fortress, Stronghold

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magnomagus said:

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You are a miracle worker!

Is there any logic behind order in which you placed the factions because in game it is almost always: Haven,Sylvan,Inferno,Necro,Aca,Dungeon,Fortress,Stronghold
That's why it looks illogical to me.

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Antalyan said:

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Looks amazing I must say, hope it will work.

I personally do not any problem in having the 13th and 14th extra skill in the wheel as it can be very helpful and it does not conflict with the main 12 skillsystem.

Just I want you to ask, how difficult would be to replace all the texts in the skillwheel by another ones? I mean, in the case you will be successful with adding the wheel into the game (and I hope you will), I would really like to see once the Czech version of the wheel too in the game :-)

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Belisarius said:

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I like the skillwheel!

Dred has the order right when choosing your race in custom game menu.

But the race order in maps created with ARMG (at least in my case) is:

Haven
Sylvan
Academy
Fortress
Inferno
Necropolis
Dungeon
Stronghold



For example:
If I choose a map template in ARMG for 8 players that is signed as #All, and then I put less than 8 players, ARMG creates it with filling races/players from top to bottom in that order. So, for Ultima 8 #All, if I choose only 4 players, I can only get: Haven, Sylvan, Academy, Fortress.

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