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posted April 06, 2025 04:42 PM |
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Okay? USA has about enough ammo in a war witn China for a few weeks, then it's gone. Computer war simulations consistetly show that it would quickly lose a conventional war because of its production ability.
It takes a long time to build an airforce or a navy. It doesn't take long to upscale ammunition (including artillery ammo).
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posted April 06, 2025 04:44 PM |
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I'm asking all of this as a hypothetical to JJ. I've spent the past 500 pages arguing with him about trying to reach a peace.
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JollyJoker
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posted April 06, 2025 04:58 PM |
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Making a decision to send troops into Ukraine and - more importantly - into a war with Russia would spell the end for every government in Europe deciding to do so. There wouldn't be a majority for that in any country for that.
But what's more important, it wouldn't stop the war. The Russians would still send their drones and missiles, shoot on stuff and advance where possible. And the "allied" side had a logistics problem. All the stuff for their forces would have to be transported to their troops.
Then, as I said, German troops at least are not at all combat ready. It would take them a while to develop that.
Then, all countries in question would have to check against all eventualities with NATO: If, say, France and Germany would send troops, and French and German troops would shoot at Russians and be shot at, and as a consequence there would be clashes with Russia outside of Ukraine - would that constituate an attack on a NATO country or not? Probably not, because the other NATO states wouldn't want to be involved - but that would also weaken NATO.
Which means NATO countries could so these things only in agreement with NATO command and that means implicitely with the USA.
Then there is the economic side. Providing weapons is one thing. Financing a military action involving, say, 10.000 soldiers is something else entirely. And those troops would have to be rotated.
Bottom line is - no. Sending troops is complicated and would help only with a maximum of preparation and effort.
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posted April 06, 2025 05:18 PM |
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blizzard said:
UK, France, and Italy are all in the top 10 most powerful militaries in the world. Germany is just a hair behind. It's the 4th strongest in Europe.
Manufacturing wise, W Europe dwarves Russia.
If the vote went through, these countries could send a force to hold Ukraine. Russia would stand zero chance of advancing.
It's not a matter of incapability. It's just the risk of it. They're afraid of a Russia that feels desperate.
I checked and was surprised my information is outdated.. But I don't believe in statistics..
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