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posted March 05, 2009 07:45 PM |
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Why... that's the most beautiful thing I've heard in a while.
I think.
Thank you. That'd go right into my signature if Azagal's quote wasn't already occupying it.
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That is blashphemy. The Bible is about Jesus yet they bothered to drag in the older part of the jews along with the story of the struggle of the later Christians. What i view Christianity today as is a giantic blasphemic/hypocratic group of people.
And you say that only Jesus words should be followed, please do someting about Matteus and the others along with the hatred propaganda brought in from the jewish scriptures.
I did not make the picture, i just found it. Also, i would not have chosen that sticker(a similar one, but still different). But the point is the warning label.
Painting an entire group of people as being hypcritical is bigotry.
No, I did not say only the words of Jesus are to be followed. I did say Jesus brought in the NEW COVENANT, as the Old Covenant prophets had said he would do. The Jews were under the Old Covenant, Christians are under the New Covenant. The moral teachings of the Old Covenats are still valid but the ceremonial laws are not.
What hate propaganda are you refering to? The only hate is from the lying label you posted.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
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posted March 11, 2009 04:38 PM |
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You really should stop spamming TA. It becomes childish....
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posted March 11, 2009 05:54 PM |
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I know that I can never be sure! But I also can't be sure that there isn't a teapot orbiting earth, nor that any mythological creature DOESN'T exist. There is not a single thing that you can say for sure that does NOT exist. So it is pointless to be an agnostic about a thing like that.
Minion, that wouldn't be a problem if atheists (i.e who claim that they "know") ADMIT that they are just as believers in the stuff that doesn't exist as any other believer.
If you say "There's no life on Mars" you've just made a bold statement, and needs proof. Mind you, showing a portion of Mars isn't one. You have to know absolutely all of it. HOWEVER, to show the opposite -- i.e that life does exist, you only need to show one example of life to prove it. (of course I'm not saying it has been proved anyway -- well at least, not according to "official" sources and media propaganda).
Either that, or call it a belief. Somehow "atheists" (not agnostics) think that is an insult, when it's exactly what they are. Atheists are believers. (this doesn't necessarily apply to extreme agnostics though)
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posted March 11, 2009 11:50 PM |
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For old times' sake
I'm just... well back for a question I already dropped in the correponding topic and came 'round to see what's the newest controversal in the OSM. I can say I'm stunned to see it's still this thread and it's Death's post above mine. There are things that never seem to change
I just got through a major... let's call it a 'crisis' near the end of last year (between the two holidays). And I have a new "argument". I just drop it in for you so you might "chew" it if you like.
"Talkink about "sure" and "proof" is very pathetic till we [humans] can't even define basics like: 'an idea', 'a thought', 'thinking' etc. We can't understand our understanding and I think it makes wondering about "How-s and why-s" rather useless as we simply are unable to reveal anything TRUE for CERTAIN."
Just wanted to say that really much...
errr I think I lost my social life once more 
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posted March 12, 2009 07:23 AM |
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That's not strictly true. The language of mathematics rather helps to reveal the truth of things and mathematics are easily the best thing humans have developed yet in terms of quality.
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posted March 12, 2009 01:07 PM |
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Yeah and nothing has more anomalies, paradoxes and problems than maths It is useful, revealing but still so deeply imperfect (just as every human things)
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posted March 12, 2009 01:22 PM |
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It allows to describe "reality".
It's a question of how "perfection" is defined (it's not self-defining). The idea of an absolute perfection might as well be a paradoxon in itself.
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posted March 12, 2009 01:29 PM |
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believers in the stuff that doesn't exist
Lack of belief is not the same thing (excluding some people who may have fanatical views) If all the evidence in the world were brought against God, that wouldn't change the mind of a believer (a person of faith), as he believes. Most atheist would be happy to acknowledge God, if there were evidence for it. If God were to show his might to a believer of atheism, member of the Church of Atheism, he would still denounce Him.
We have studied Mars to some extent, we know that it doesn't support Earth-like life very well. Yes, the surface has been scanned many times. The can be bacteria type of life for sure, or even more developed life under the surface of the planet. There is no doctrine of atheism that says there isn't life on Mars - that is each and everyone's individual choice.
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posted March 12, 2009 02:14 PM |
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I don't think you are right, Minion. What you describe are agnostics - not atheists.
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I don't think you are right, Minion. What you describe are agnostics - not atheists.
There was nothing agnostic about what I said, however I can't reply with more depth as I don't yet understand how you understand atheism.
Atheists most likely cite the lack of empirical evidence as the reason why they don't believe. If such evidence were to occur, they would change their minds. That is not agnosticism - which from the beginning thinks that those things are unknown or that existence of god(s) is inherently impossible to prove or disprove.
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posted March 12, 2009 08:25 PM |
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I don't think you are right, Minion. What you describe are agnostics - not atheists.
There was nothing agnostic about what I said, however I can't reply with more depth as I don't yet understand how you understand atheism.
Atheists most likely cite the lack of empirical evidence as the reason why they don't believe. If such evidence were to occur, they would change their minds. That is not agnosticism - which from the beginning thinks that those things are unknown or that existence of god(s) is inherently impossible to prove or disprove.
I think that this is as wrong as it gets - we are talking about belief here, so EVIDENCE is a question of interpretation - or belief - in th first place. Being an atheist means, that the evidence the way you see it near to proves that there is no god at all. And no evidence short of a sequence of miracles will be able to shatter that belief.
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posted March 12, 2009 08:44 PM |
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Lack of belief is not the same thing (excluding some people who may have fanatical views)
What do you mean lack of belief?
It's not just lack of belief. For example:
Saying "I believe in God" is a belief.
Saying "I don't believe in God" is not a belief. This could also lead to "I don't believe in God, and am not sure if He exists or not."
BUT saying "There is no God" is a belief. It's not just lack of belief, it's a belief in non-existence of something you know didn't even "look" enough.
Like my example with life on Mars.
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After watching a Moses movie from like 1956 in school... I have a hard time thinking how somebody could actually believe in that...
Nobody in my grade except 1-2 people believed in it and the teacher even said that it was not very likely to have happened, as it has been proved that the workers were paid and they did not have any slaves etc.
I have also heard that some countries celebrate that on Easter...
In Sweden, Easter is more like a Spring Festival. I never think of religion on any of our holidays.
Also after seeing that I know that there is no god. I just know that its made up. In the movie he did lots of fire stuff... very common in primitive religions.
Belief in the nameless god (as the egypts who are super über evil in the film calls him...) is just a parody on worship of the sun.
But religion is slowly dying out... unfortunaly, new ones will take its place.
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posted March 12, 2009 09:45 PM |
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I have also heard that some countries celebrate that on Easter...
In Sweden, Easter is more like a Spring Festival.
When will you EVER stop about this?
You always say "In Sweden we play WoW" or "In Sweden we do that" and "In Sweden we do this"? Do you think you and your group of friends represent the entire country? Why do you think you pissed Adrius back then?
This isn't even about religion but I'm really wondering why you never listen.
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posted March 12, 2009 10:40 PM |
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Because maybe in the presidentozrs son and we gonna change to like communizm and then everybody will do what I want them to do?
No but seriously, I dont think many in Sweden view holidays are religious, since there are like 10-15% christians here and the rest 5-10% are muslims and the rest doesnt believe in the religions today.
Also, in Sweden, one third of the population has a blog and this is true.
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No but seriously, I dont think many in Sweden view holidays are religious, since there are like 10-15% christians here and the rest 5-10% are muslims and the rest doesnt believe in the religions today.
Also, in Sweden, one third of the population has a blog and this is true.
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* 23% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
* 53% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
* 23% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
Phil Zuckerman, an Associate Professor of Sociology at Pitzer College writes of several academic sources who have in recent years placed atheism rates in Sweden between 46% and 85%, with one source reporting that only 17% of respondents self-identified as "atheist".
Wow, I have research versus the actual opinion of someone who lives in Sweden ZOMG! 
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posted March 12, 2009 10:59 PM |
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JJ & TheDeath. I think you consider most atheist to be extreme atheists that think in the lines of "there is no God for 100% certainty" I think that most atheists think that the probability of god is not zero, it is just so slim that it is pointless to believe in it. There's an infinite number of things that some people at one time or another have believed in, and an infinite number of things that nobody has believed in. If there's not the slightest reason to believe in any of those things, why bother? That is the line of reasoning behind most atheists.
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posted March 12, 2009 11:04 PM |
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After watching a Moses movie from like 1956 in school... I have a hard time thinking how somebody could actually believe in that...
Nobody in my grade except 1-2 people believed in it and the teacher even said that it was not very likely to have happened.
True... The tribe of semitic kanaanites never fled from Egypt and never created their own culture, wrote the old testament and they also never had prophets and stuff, since this world is fictional after all.
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as it has been proved that the workers were paid and they did not have any slaves etc.
3000 BC, the culture of the pharaohs (look these guys up), horrible taxes and constant struggle with a lot of things (Persians, babylonians, Assyrians, even Greeks at some point and Romans at the final point)
Claiming that life for the ancient Egyptian peasant was fun is like claiming that life for the stalinist labourer was fun.
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I have also heard that some countries celebrate that on Easter...
In Sweden, Easter is more like a Spring Festival. I never think of religion on any of our holidays.
Easter is a Christian holiday, just like Christmas (though, it's been paganised to convert German tribes)
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Also after seeing that I know that there is no god. I just know that its made up. In the movie he did lots of fire stuff... very common in primitive religions.
I know, the old testament is a total crowd pleaser
You should read on what Samson did or even Jesus at some points. (Hint: DC could learn a thing or two...)
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Belief in the nameless god (as the egypts who are super über evil in the film calls him...) is just a parody on worship of the sun.
The pharaoh usually wasn't a nice person. For the same reasons that dictators and absolutists aren't nice people.
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But religion is slowly dying out... unfortunaly, new ones will take its place.
I suppose so...
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