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posted August 16, 2008 12:33 PM |
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''Peasant'' is the same as in ''pleasant'', yet I have no idea why it differs. I'm not natively English, though.
yeah, but it's different for "please". Uhh. Confusing 
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posted August 16, 2008 12:44 PM |
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There are some "rules" in english, I think based on syllables, otherwise all the Vocal Synthesizers wouldn't work 
but I have no idea how. You can use such a synthesizer to hear how to pronounce in english  (Windows comes with such a thing IIRC)
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posted August 16, 2008 12:55 PM |
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kinda = kind of
ain't = is not/am not
Examples:
I ain't crazy = I am not crazy
It ain't funny = It is not funny
gotta = got to
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posted August 16, 2008 01:05 PM |
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right, forgot to add "ain't" is a negation 
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posted August 16, 2008 04:17 PM |
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Thx, guys.
BTW, I'm hungarian, which is considered to be one of the hardest languages to learn for a foreigner. Our alphabet contains letters like 'õ' 'á' or 'dzs', the last one is ONE letter, yes. We call it something like triple-consonant.
Our grammar is the most difficult one in the world. I guess you know the TV-programe 'who wants to be a millionare?' It has 15 questions sorted by difficulity. Long ago I saw a grammar question asking something about our own grammar, which the guy failed to answer. Just one simple example: we have 2 different types of the letter 'j'. These are: the normal j, and 'ly'. (double-consonant) Deciding which to use can cause much headache to everyone, even for a native Hungarian...
Just to interest you 
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posted August 16, 2008 04:23 PM |
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oh my god - I have so many typos in those sentences
But I got what I needed in most of them:
"the man knew, that it would be impossible to paint the house in one day" - why is there no need for a comma??
"The time always flies when you are having fun" - Again I made some major typos, so could you explain again - Should it be "flies away" - but is there any need in using "away" it is just a filler word..
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posted August 16, 2008 04:24 PM |
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I don't think it beats polish. Seriously. Polish gramar is so sick that even Poles can't handle it in many cases And the pronunciation.. I have never heard a non-polish guy that would actually spill out words like "chrz±szcz" or "g¿eg¿ó³ka" lol.
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posted August 16, 2008 04:27 PM |
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"the man knew, that it would be impossible to paint the house in one day" - why is there no need for a comma??
Because that's how it is. You don't just throw commas into sentences like that.
"The man knew that it would be impossible to paint the house in one day" is perfectly acceptable.
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"The time always flies when you are having fun"
I can't see any problem with that sentence.
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posted August 16, 2008 04:29 PM |
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I don't think it beats polish. Seriously.
I wouldn't have said that
The exaples given above are the basics of our language. Grammarists (lol, dunno the word in english for grammar scientists ) spend their whole life studying only one branch of the language. Some of its secrets are still unknown even for us.
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posted August 16, 2008 04:32 PM |
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I see.
take a peek here
I agree with that full-heartedly.
Trust me, this is one of, if not THE, hardest language on the world. hungarian may be hard, but it can't beat the absurd polish language.
I don't think it's something to brag about. I think it's unnecessarily complicated. However, I at least can say that I mastered the most difficult language on the world
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posted August 16, 2008 04:51 PM |
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interesting.
But as you can see, Hungarian is the second.  But man, seven genders?! LOL, we don't have genders at all
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posted August 16, 2008 05:04 PM |
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I suppose that as someone who speaks Russian, Polish wouldn't be to difficult for me to learn. But Finnish looks very hard. Doesn't it have 20 cases, or something like that?
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posted August 16, 2008 05:05 PM |
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I see.
take a peek here
Heck, i have heard Icelandic is harder to learn than french
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in addition to what's written there about Polish, I'd add: extremely complicated grammar, huge amount of exceptions, three voices of each verb, four kinds of participles (each with its own exceptions and rules!).. We have a couple of sounds that are identically pronounced, like rz and ¿, ó and u, h and ch, and the way of determining which of those should you use in a word is very complicated (you have to compare the word with a related one and see what kind of sound appears in the in the related, r indicates you should use rz, while g or z indicates you should use ¿.. there are many exceptions, though..) of course you should do it automatically after normal school, but some people just can't learn it properly.
as you see, sick hard. Takes 6 years of school for a Polish kid to learn the grammar, and another three to take it to a satisfying level. It's often not enough, though, some people simply have innate inabilities to learn the correct spelling.
mvass: yes, I suppose it's easier for Russians due to similar pronunciation.
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posted August 16, 2008 05:09 PM |
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Let's see...
Dutch isn't that hard... (except for extensive vocab)
2 genders...
past, present, future, perfect and simple tenses... occasional exception... Pronunciation has a few basic rules... Frankly, if you can speak and german, you can speak dutch
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posted August 16, 2008 05:11 PM |
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mvass: yes, I suppose it's easier for Russians due to similar pronunciation.
Polish has some sounds that aren't in Russian (represented by ¥, Ê, and £). But the grammar and vocabulary are very similar. Polish has one more case than Russian, but it's a really easy case.
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Frankly, if you can speak and german, you can speak dutch
But you can't speak and English.
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posted August 16, 2008 05:13 PM |
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Let's see...
Dutch isn't that hard... (except for extensive vocab)
2 genders...
past, present, future, perfect and simple tenses... occasional exception... Pronunciation has a few basic rules... Frankly, if you can speak and german, you can speak dutch
If you can speak English, German and French: Dutch is esay. But the main issue is the spelling. (Dt?)
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mvass: Well, I can't compare them, I don't know Russian. My father is proficient in Russian though, I can ask him if there are many differences if anyone is interested..
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posted August 16, 2008 05:15 PM |
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I see.
take a peek here
I agree with that full-heartedly.
I don't. I have some friends that know the difference between Chinese and Japanese. There is a big difference. They say japanese is the most complicated language in the world -- not only writing, but speaking it as well. It also depends on HOW you say something, like how loud or something like that, I don't know.
In your article it says only about Chinese, but japanese is different. Chinese has very simple grammar. I don't know about japanese but they say it's very hard even in that aspect. It has like "different" versions of speaking the same word (english has only one way) and it makes a difference.
But I also know a polish guy and it has really hard-to-pronounce in english names (e.g: Tomasz).
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mvass: Well, I can't compare them, I don't know Russian. My father is proficient in Russian though, I can ask him if there are many differences if anyone is interested..
I can understand about 75% of written Polish. Spoken Polish, though, is a different thing. But Polish is basically archaic Russian spoken with a stuffed nose.
TheDeath:
Yeah, Chinese grammar is really simple. It's probably simpler than that of any Indo-European language. But the phonology and the vocabulary make Chinese hard to learn.
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