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sith_of_ziost
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posted June 11, 2009 11:10 PM |
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I think Wizards was under the seriously exaggerated if not completely mistaken impression that casual and newbs can't under stand complex rules. In all reality, none of the game's rules are really that hard. The stack has an acronym - LIFO. As does priority, APNAP. Its easily understood. But, as Aaron stated, the game really hasn't undergone a rules re-structure in a long time, and the players back in 01 probably had a hard time adjusting too. But when things change, those who truly love the game will adapt, find new cool combos for their decks, and all in all, have a better time than before. I'm old, unchanging, but I am prepared to cope.
Really, the rules changes are not that bad to introduce. Just tell her that damage just happens. Deathtouch and Lifelink are easier, now that they're static. And the keywords don't really need that much head-scratching.
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Mamgaeater
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posted June 12, 2009 01:04 AM |
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Well the new combat damage change i see as good now that I've thought about it...
its more abound thinking strategically... before there was a null value choice (block and sac) but most cards aren't effected...
sure mogg can no longer kill a 2/2 but it can block a 2/2 and kill a x/1.
sakura tribe elder deals 1 less damage.
it does remove some depth but at the benefit of increasing complexity and making the game more challenging.
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Lord_Woock
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Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted June 12, 2009 12:22 PM |
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Having given this some time to sink in, this no longer bugs me as much, although I do find the deathtouch solution to be a tad inelegant. When it was first keyworded in Future Sight, it was a simple triggered ability. Now it is not only tied to an SBE, but also has this weird clause that a creature with deathtouch isn't restricted by the "conga line of doom" in terms of dealing damage.
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Rarensu
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Formerly known as RTI
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posted June 13, 2009 09:10 AM |
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I think that they should have done it like this.
Deathtouch:
1) A creature dealt damage by a source with deathtouch is considered to have been dealt lethal damage. (it's put into graveyard as a state-based effect)
2) Assigning combat damage with a deathtouch source to a creature counts as assigning lethal damage. (this means that it obeys the conga line, but still gets to kill its power in creatures)
Much cleaner and more elegant IMO.
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I agree with Woock. Now that I've cooled down I like the changes. Except for battlefield. That still bugs me. Changing "play" to "cast" is enough to remove the confusion! You don't need to punish both parties. But I know I'll get used to it and then like it; I'm the kind of person that likes what I'm used to.
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Disturbed-Gnu
Supreme Hero
Pro Bacon Vodka Brewer
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posted June 15, 2009 04:30 PM |
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Deck is green and other colors?
turn 1, play a forest and Fastbond. Use fastbond to play two more lands, and then Golden Lotus.. Hit another land, or another way to get the tenth mana (Dark Ritual or other). Then play progenitus.. ;p How awesome is that`?
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Lord_Woock
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 15, 2009 04:52 PM |
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Neat, except Golden Lotus as spoiled was pretty much confirmed fake.
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Disturbed-Gnu
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posted June 15, 2009 06:08 PM |
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Hmm, that's sad.. But it could have been an awesome land card
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Mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
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posted June 15, 2009 11:51 PM |
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who do you think is going to be a planeswalker in zendikaar.
we know that nissa elf but there are two more slots.
i think sarkhan vol will make a comeback.
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Disturbed-Gnu
Supreme Hero
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posted June 16, 2009 06:23 PM |
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If i have a Changeling, and i play Lovisa Coldeyes.. Does my changeling get +2+2 or +6+6 ?
And if i play Frogtosser Banneret, does that make my changelings in hand 0, 1 or 2 cheaper?
I'm building a Changeling Boost Deck, and before i'm finishing it, i need to know how it works 100%
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Mamgaeater
Legendary Hero
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posted June 16, 2009 08:55 PM |
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unless the effects are separated it means that they do not stack.
look at grand arbiter Agustin IV's wording (i think thats the name)
White spells you play cost 1 less to play
Blue spells you play cost 1 less to play
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Blue and/or white spells you play cost 1 less.
that only asks if the color is blue or white or both and nothing more.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted June 16, 2009 09:10 PM |
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Quote:
If i have a Changeling, and i play Lovisa Coldeyes.. Does my changeling get +2+2 or +6+6 ?
And if i play Frogtosser Banneret, does that make my changelings in hand 0, 1 or 2 cheaper?
I'm building a Changeling Boost Deck, and before i'm finishing it, i need to know how it works 100%
You'll only get the bonus from Lovisa once, and a single Banneret only reduces a spell's cost by one.
If you don't mind stepping outside of Standard though, I dare suggest Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro for a sizable mana boost.
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Disturbed-Gnu
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posted June 16, 2009 09:56 PM |
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Damn! Then it's harder to make it good!
Unfortunatly i've decided to make it Black/Red, so Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro is useless (I love the idea though! It could have been much mana)..
But how about Death Baron? The text says "And"
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted June 16, 2009 10:11 PM |
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Death Baron is the exact same case as Lovisa.
If you want the bonuses to count separately, find a card where the bonuses are written out as separate abilities for each creature type. Although I doubt there are any.
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So the latest rumor to take over the official boards is that The Rack and Lightning Bolt are being reprinted in M10. Personally, I call shenanigans.
Opinions?
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Disturbed-Gnu
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posted June 18, 2009 11:05 PM |
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I have been whaiting a reprint for lightning bolt for a looong time now! I hate thoose old cards! They look so un-profesional..
I would actually like to have every card look like thoose from future sight! Or at least like thoose from Ravnica..
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wog_edn
Promising
The Nothingness
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posted June 18, 2009 11:25 PM |
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Won't be able to use anything below 10th edition (if I remember right) in normal tournements, cause they're not in the standard series  So better hope for a Lightning Bolt in the next edition 
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NicolBolas
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posted June 18, 2009 11:33 PM |
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Quote:
I have been whaiting a reprint for lightning bolt for a looong time now! I hate thoose old cards! They look so un-profesional..
I would actually like to have every card look like thoose from future sight! Or at least like thoose from Ravnica..
If Blizzard switched to the the future sight style I would kill them. The fact of the matter is that the old cards look so much better than the new ones. There is no land better looking than those from alpha, beta, unlimited, or revised.
The new style they came out with in 8th edition was absolutely hideous. The only reason they made it was to make the foils look decent. For that very reason white border cards got a horrible rap and now all standard editions are black border.
As for reprinting lightning bolt, I highly doubt they would do such a thing. Wizards has been very careful to not let RDW and its sligh varients dominate standard for a very long time. The attention as of late has turned to multiple colored decks.
I would however not be surprised to see cards like electrolyze or lightning helix reprinted.
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Rarensu
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Formerly known as RTI
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posted June 19, 2009 02:49 AM |
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Edited by Rarensu at 02:53, 19 Jun 2009.
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They can reprint broken cards like lightning bolt - just not in any core sets or expansion sets. But if they do special little pack things, like "From The Vault: Dragons" and "Duel Decks: Divine V Demonic", then they can print whatever they want. They could print a "From The Vault: Broken Stuff" so Disturbed GNU gets his nice pretty new-looking lightning bolt, but it has no effect on any actual sanctioned Magic format. Everybody wins!
As for the card layout, 8th E is better than 7th E, which was better than 6th E. White borders suck, Future-shifted cards were neat once, but I never want to see them again.
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Aleksandr
Hired Hero
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posted June 19, 2009 07:08 AM |
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http://magiclampoon.com/blog/2009/06/14/for-damage-stacking-industry-recession-hits-especially-hard/
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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 19, 2009 12:28 PM |
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They can reprint broken cards like lightning bolt - just not in any core sets or expansion sets.
Yes they can. Lightning Bolt is not on the reserved list. M10 will probably have neither Shock nor Incinerate. Lightning Bolt is by no means broken; it's just efficient. Burn as a strategy is only viable if there are enough good burn spells. Replacing Incinerate with Lightning Bolt won't have any significan impact on T2.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
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Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted June 19, 2009 12:43 PM |
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So exactly how many creatures were played in recent big Standard tournaments that can be killed by Lightning Bolt but not Shock?
Reveillark, Rafiq of the Many, Cloudgoat Ranger
Did I miss anything?
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