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posted June 06, 2009 04:05 PM |
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Well, most choices that are hard in life aren't like that. they usually don't have such significant advantages over eachother.
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posted June 06, 2009 04:06 PM |
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Actually, most of the time they do have clear advantages - you just have to realise it.
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posted June 06, 2009 04:08 PM |
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Mvass sees things from an economist's viewpoint 
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posted June 06, 2009 04:45 PM |
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posted June 06, 2009 10:49 PM |
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I don't trust her friends
Is that a really bad thing, or just a bad thing.
Or is it just me who is being naive and dont know them well enough?
I mostly don't trust her male friends.. they are those kinds of guys who get drunk just to get drunk and do stupid things...
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posted June 06, 2009 10:55 PM |
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And I'm proud of it too.
To say it with the words of Eldoth Kron :
"You're so dull" 
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posted June 06, 2009 11:03 PM |
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You are not forced to all go out together. At any rate while you can share your doubts with her don't start throwing dirt in their direction, she may not like that.
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posted June 06, 2009 11:06 PM |
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Is that a really bad thing, or just a bad thing.
Or is it just me who is being naive and dont know them well enough?
I mostly don't trust her male friends.. they are those kinds of guys who get drunk just to get drunk and do stupid things...
Talk about her friends. Ask who they are what they do, how they met and what she thinks about them. Hell, if your relationship has gone this intimate, it shouldn't be a problem to find these things out.
But I generally recommend to trust her, but then again, trust isn't sacred and it is violated when you don't expect it. Don't let this trust hurt the relationship. Oh, and try to be subtle and show some restraint. Or don't listen to me.
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posted June 06, 2009 11:08 PM |
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I mostly don't trust her male friends.. they are those kinds of guys who get drunk just to get drunk and do stupid things...
It's normal to have feelings like that. My best friend has a very good relationship (but not a "relation") with one of my former classmates, much to the dismay of her boyfriend. (evnthough EVERY outsider knows that there's no risk whatsoever) Love sometimes makes us ignore our better judgement. It's the charm and the disadvantage to loving.
To be honest, Chances seem slim that the male friend will do "stupid things". And besides, it's not like she just let's them do... she will refuse and choose for you, as any GF would
Ahhh, love makes the world go round. 
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posted June 07, 2009 12:20 AM |
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Personally, I think the less knowledgeable you are, the happier you can be.
Depends on your definition of happiness. I'm happy when I figure out stuff
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Life is much easier for the simpleton. Knowledge has little to nothing to do with happiness, in fact, I'd rather say the opposite is true. The only way knowledge can help you to be happy is by being perfectly rational, but humans aren't perfectly rational, in fact, I'd even say that they are usually quite irrational, otherwise there'd be little to no violence or crime in this world. We aren't robots, we are humans who are continually struggling with our irrational side taking over (this view is rather Freudian on perspective, but whatever).
See? That's the WHOLE point. Using your brain extensively will develop it further. Yes we "are not perfect", but nothing starts off finished, it has to start from the bottom. We're not exactly at the bottom but to get to the higher status, we need to use them.
Like muscles you know? No one is born a body builder, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't exercise. Similar for the brain.
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I'm really a realistic optimist, though.
That's an oxymoron. As they say "the pessimist is the optimist that sees reality"
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There is one critical difference between a rational man and a robot - a rational man has a will of his own; the robot can only do what it is programmed to do.
Current robots. Also it depends on what kind of robot you're referring to: are you referring to an AI?
How many times must I tell you? Most AIs use Neural Networks (but very simple, and optimized for a specific task, not for overall 'thinking' or whatever), neuronal data (not code) which is a simulation of the neurons in our brain -- not perfect, but close. The point here is that this data is TRAINED with examples just like a human (albeit on a specific task only because it's very underpowered or simple, compared to even a very primitive animal brain).
In short, it is designed to LEARN from examples. The programming is only how you implement the neuronal simulation, but the neuron data itself is LEARNED, not programmed.
Why do people still think we're in the 1950s regarding our machines intelligence? I mean even some cellphones can 'learn your voice' (similar algorithm I suspect) which definitely shows they are not programmed.
Sorry for off-topic rant.
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posted June 07, 2009 01:28 AM |
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That's an oxymoron. As they say "the pessimist is the optimist that sees reality"
I am a realist about how things work, but I am optimistic that the outcome of whatever I do will be positive.
As for AIs, they're just more complex programmes. Instead of "if x, do y", they do "if x, learn 'if y do z'". They're not really intelligent in the sense we are.
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I am a realist about how things work, but I am optimistic that the outcome of whatever I do will be positive.
Murphys Law
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As for AIs, they're just more complex programmes. Instead of "if x, do y", they do "if x, learn 'if y do z'". They're not really intelligent in the sense we are.
That's not important at all. What you're asking is processing power and (probably) something that we don't know yet (or can't implement in computers -- depending on who you ask, you can add all sorts of beliefs). Anyway the point is philosophical: given attributes and abilities, you can draw conclusions.
Learning and adaptation is one key factor in the whole structure of the brain and how it works, and dare I say the most important one. We have done it to a certain extent -- the difficulties we have in the right-part of the brain for some (for some people, obvious) reason. Computers have already taken like 70% of our left brain's activities and do it better than us, I do expect that we'll reach more in our lifetime. Again, I'm not sure about the right-hemisphere since that deals with emotions, imagination and stuff like that which we barely understand.
But we have learning, or at least in a basic way (until we figure out it's more to it than that). And surely I think it is "smarter" than some animals (who also have brains mind you). Well, 'static' and 'emotionless', but indeed smarter (unless you consider 0 imagination as being 0 IQ, which Einstein did).
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posted June 07, 2009 02:58 AM |
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Murphy's Law? I'm not that pessimistic.
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something that we don't know yet (or can't implement in computers
Exactly.
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posted June 07, 2009 03:01 AM |
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Exactly.
Learning isn't one of them
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posted June 07, 2009 03:03 AM |
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Yes, it is - computers can only learn what they are programmed to be able to learn.
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posted June 07, 2009 03:57 AM |
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Do you have any idea about information theory at the very least?
When I say that it learns, I mean that it can change its parameters (well, 'neuron' parameters) based on input data (e.g: 'experience', or examples). For example you can show them a picture of the number '9' in different handwriting and it might learn to change the neuron status so it will spit out correct output.
The input->manipulation->output thing is the most basic building block of information theory. Basically, assuming that the world is 100% information only (that is, no supernatural things), a computer is in theory capable of anything. In practice, it is restricted to a few algorithms. However, if it can LEARN algorithms or learn 'from examples/experience' that changes it to a whole new level.
Anyway this is off topic
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posted June 07, 2009 04:17 AM |
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You're right, it can learn new ways to do the same thing - but it can't learn to do anything fundamentally new. And anyway that wasn't my original point, which was that people have a will and an ultimate goal. Robots don't.
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posted June 07, 2009 04:22 AM |
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What's your definition of learning lol? What do you mean "learn something new"? They will learn what information they are presented with, just like a human. What's "new"? You can present it, let's say, visual information.
You may mean creativity, as in use your existing knowledge/learning capabilities to manipulate the information in your brain to put them in a way that is "something new" (or a new structure). That isn't learning, first of all, and you CAN do that, but albeit that's exactly what needs complexity (those that identify your hand-writing already do it, in a very simple way; e.g: you show it a few examples, and then you put a new example which it doesn't know the answer, and it says if it's yours or not -- that's "something new", isn't it? and it can adapt with that new info, it is CONSTANTLY adapting).
Ultimately, again I have no idea about this "will" (since people will say it can be with a soul, free will, and supernatural, which I don't necessarily disagree), but if it's only information processing (after all, that's what happens in your brain), with enough complexity you may be able to get it.
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posted June 07, 2009 05:36 AM |
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What do you mean "learn something new"?
It's the difference between learning new arithmetic problems and learning algebra.
As for "will" - it means this.
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posted June 07, 2009 12:13 PM |
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I know I pretty much started thhis, but can we just go back to luuuuuv? Bak made a topic for OSM off-topic a while ago, if I remember correctly.
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