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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Tribute to Strategists
Thread: Tribute to Strategists This thread is 18 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 · «PREV
Laser70
Laser70


Adventuring Hero
posted October 10, 2015 05:23 AM
Edited by Laser70 at 06:11, 10 Oct 2015.

You outlined the details much better than I did, just about 100% of the forum are studying the numbers around the game as if they already understood why they shouldn't. Most people know, but don't grasp (big difference, biggie)

But it doesn't have to be a rule, if players are new to the game, by all means study it, the game has a limited replay value anyway. To me personally, the game rapidly went downwards after only a few months of studying the mechanics, that was a huge mistake. Now I have to find a new game to play because I never lose a battle, actually I do lose battles, but it doesn't feel like that anymore, which means I almost never lose battles.

I could always increase the quantity of AI towns and thereby try to compensate with more enemies rather than more quality in the enemy, but I absolutely hate massive battles, I love the tiny battles, especially early games, I love walking around with very tiny unit stacks and low hero stats. As soon as I reach over 500 units in a stack, I quit the game and create a new map.

One thing that would do wonders to this game is if someone would create a new AI system with a learning AI with true ability to learn from its mistakes.

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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Famous Hero
posted October 10, 2015 06:10 AM

Quote:
I agree, when I found out that Santa didn't exist it totally ruinned Christmas.

It's all about your own inner rules you lean upon when deciding which things are OK to believe in. I presume, you've never been to outer space, yet you likely believe things you're told about it. I would rather call it a blind faith, as you blindly accept knowledge from 'authorities', being unable to check whether they lie or not for yourself. We all have a faith of our own.

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Laser70
Laser70


Adventuring Hero
posted October 10, 2015 06:13 AM
Edited by Laser70 at 06:58, 10 Oct 2015.

Instinct is a good thing, then there are entire books about instinct which bring in a thousand different new perspectives. Idiots know why they shouldn't hit someone in the face, and in 80% of the cases they won't hit someone in the face, as soon as they read a book about it that percentage increases up to 99%, if not 100%. People 'feel' things, but don't know how to explain it.

It's a little bit like that in the gaming world too, people 'feel' they shouldn't do certain things in a game, and yet, you find evidence that most people do them still, until they understand why they shouldn't.

A good example is if you're being approached by a moose, you know instinctively why you shouldn't pick a fight with it, a child knows it too, but if you study the moose you get a pretty darn clear picture why all the why's.

The guy who have suspicion will obey that suspicion partially, the guy who knows will form strong principles. The people on the forum have no principles, they study the numbers, so they are driven by suspicion they suspect it might ruin the game but aren't quite knowledgeable to say 'no'.

Some people take risks (What the hell, I'll study them anyway, and continue to see whats going to happen I don't care) and then they continue, not quite sure whether or not the game will be ruined or not. And then you have a very few people who are absolutely sure that the game will be ruined, they posess knowledge that it will be ruined.

I wouldn't say that it is even about knowledge, because many players have studied the game more than I have done. I think there is more to it than just knowledge, you have to have something which acts on that knowledge in a more effective way because many people have studied the game for 15 years, I studied it for 3 months. Our brains are strange things, some people are still entertained by something after 15 years because of the simplicity that is needed to entertain it, other people get tired of it after only a very limited amount of time.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted October 15, 2015 05:10 PM

AlexSpl said:
Quote:
I agree, when I found out that Santa didn't exist it totally ruinned Christmas.

It's all about your own inner rules you lean upon when deciding which things are OK to believe in. I presume, you've never been to outer space, yet you likely believe things you're told about it. I would rather call it a blind faith, as you blindly accept knowledge from 'authorities', being unable to check whether they lie or not for yourself. We all have a faith of our own.

Man, or you're way more subtle then I am able to deciver or you completly lost my point.
I meant, intuitively or sistematically you can't help yourself to learn some mechanics of a game you play and then have to take the inner decision of continue enjoying while playing on a more resourcefull way or quit. There are no other choices.

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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


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Famous Hero
posted October 15, 2015 05:38 PM

Knowledge about game mechanics can't hurt you in any way if you a reasonable player with no lack of imagination, it can only sharpen and enrich your experience if used thoughtfully and if you're not seeking knowledge just for knowledge itself.

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batoonike
batoonike


Known Hero
posted November 07, 2015 02:38 PM

Laser70 it's possible for the game to become better the more you know about it. Good games do that, if the player is also creative. Sure it get's very easy and you can beat 7 AI-s in a team on "impossible" diffuclty without even thinking but you can always create a bigger challenge. How about 7 AI-s in a team and you are not allowed to buy units or use artifacts or spells? It becomes a different game but it's always possible to create a bigger challenge than the previous one and then start solving it.


But I agree that learning stuff generally ruins the experience to some degree. For instance I played minecraft and dont starve. In minecraft ja was always reading the wiki so I knew most things after like a few months. In don't starve I refused to read the wiki except maybe very rarely and I still keep discovering occasional stuff after years.

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