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Bersy
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Supreme Hero
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posted February 08, 2014 07:22 PM |
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My personal opinion as that "WoG" is major keyword indeed. Without WoG, its tools and community no other projects would exist (perhaps, even idea of VCMI would be absent). I see no problem in "WoG" forum except the arrogance of separate fans and team members.
If we cannot create subforums for H3 related projects, there is no need to change the name of the leader, the basis, which connects numerous enthusiasts and works from all over the world. WoG is tools, people, movement, idea and example. It's quite rare word, nicely popularized in search engines. Arcane Forge and Heroes 3 moding are taint and definite mistake.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 09, 2014 08:30 PM |
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Yeah, really, no offense meant guys, but I gotta be frank, Arcane Forge is the most atrociously generic name for this forum that could've been come up with. It has like zero relevance to the game.
I'd rename back to Wake of Gods and just note ERA, VCMI, HotA in the description space.
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solitaire345
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 09, 2014 09:29 PM |
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I came here after being away from this forum for a while, looked at the column of latest posts and saw "Arcane Forge: <...>" and my first thought was "huh? Another forge town project?"
I'm also against renaming of this forum, though, as I realized, I don't really read the forum name anymore, I just click where the link is. WOG is just something that comes to mind quicker when someone mentions HoMM III modding, rather than Arcane Forge.
As I see, forum descriptions can contain hyperlinks. If they also can have multiple lines, maybe it's an option to create few 'hidden' forums, not shown in main page and put their links in the description and masterpost of this forum? This way 'subforums' could be mimicked.
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted February 09, 2014 11:22 PM |
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To re-state what Corribus said, let's see if we can make the shared H3 modding forum approach work for now as there is no sub-forum functionality. If after several months we can see that it is too difficult or unworkable then we can try to come up with a better alternative.
The point about search engine keywords is very valid. It is also true that forum description below the forum name can contain hyperlinks to for example the main thread for each main mod or expansion.
What are your best suggestions for the forum name and description that are optimal for both new and experienced users, for search engine listings, and fitting to the feel of HC forum names?
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You can wait for others to do it, but if they don't know how, you'll wait forever.
Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 09, 2014 11:39 PM |
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted February 09, 2014 11:45 PM |
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Edited by artu at 23:45, 09 Feb 2014.
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Nobody calls WOG, Wake of Gods, I still think, if it's crucial to keep the WOG in for search engines, we should add a "beyond" indicating the other stuff made after Wog. So, it's: Heroes 3.5 - WOG and Beyond. Sounds catchy, too. A new user wont try to search for HoTA or Era under a forum named WOG.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 10, 2014 01:02 AM |
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Btw, I recall Bersy offered a free hand for optimizing the forum several months ago. Not sure the message passed until the administrator, also not sure if still actual as Bersy is quite busy atm.
But if they both agree and get in contact, this could be invaluable help.
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted February 13, 2014 08:25 PM |
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How about this:
Heroes 3.5 - WoG and Beyond
WoG, Era II, VCMI, HotA & more
Do you have any objections or improvements?
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You can wait for others to do it, but if they don't know how, you'll wait forever.
Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 13, 2014 08:27 PM |
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no, that sounds good. it'll encompass both the old and the new. 
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 13, 2014 08:47 PM |
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Thank you Valeriy, and thanks to Artu for suggestion, fair title.
Artu should have way more qp than he has.
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Era II mods and utilities
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted February 13, 2014 09:01 PM |
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hippox89
Famous Hero
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posted February 13, 2014 09:45 PM |
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Edited by hippox89 at 21:48, 13 Feb 2014.
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Let's be honest, the title, even with references, is very confusing to newcomers. But what can you do within such strict limitations that's actually better?
If no limitations and other valid concerns, then I'd prefer something clear and simple like:
Heroes 3 - modifications and beyond
ERA II, HotA, VCMI, WoG and more.
Note: I like it in alphabetically order.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 13, 2014 09:52 PM |
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I also love it, and almost everybody seems to agree so...
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Bersy
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted February 13, 2014 09:53 PM |
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I find admin's proposal rather good.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted February 13, 2014 10:09 PM |
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WoG and Beyond is cool. /my2cents
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Sanity through drugs. Order yours today!
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted February 14, 2014 02:01 AM |
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I think part of the problem is that there is a lack of general understanding in the H3 community (myself included) about how the various mods are related. Everyone knows what WoG is. But ERA 1,2,3,4,5,6, etc., VCMI, HOTA, and so on and so on. What is related to what? What is built off of what? Which are still in development? Which are dead?
What I would like to do is create a master index thread that provides a basic introduction to existing H3 mods, their current development states, external links if applicable (to map databases, to production pages, to external forums, to download files), and how they are related to each other. Each of these mods will have a stickied master thread as well.
If there is anyone who can help me with this, I would greatly appreciate it.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted February 14, 2014 04:51 AM |
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Edited by artu at 04:56, 14 Feb 2014.
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Era (latest version released is 2.46, there's a 2.5 beta) is a kind of panel board for WOG (ERM) based mods and can absorb anything which uses that. VCMI and HotA are unrelated to ERM and you lose the WOG features once you switch to them. HotA is designed very similar to an official expansion. None of them are dead at the moment, although you can say Bersy (Era 2) is not as active as he used to be, he still comes with minor updates and bug fixes though.
Btw, you said
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Having separate forums for every mod in existence isn't going to happen.
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Each of these mods will have a stickied master thread as well.
where exactly will this be, in the main page? What is the difference between having a stickied master thread for each mod and an independent sub-forum, isn't it kind of the same thing eventually?
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted February 14, 2014 10:48 PM |
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Thanks for your ideas and input. When updating the description I noticed that there is a little bit of extra room, so I made it:
Heroes 3.5 - WoG and Beyond
Expansions: WoG, Era II, VCMI, HotA, etc
The word "expansions" should make it a little more clear to newcomers what the forum is about.
If there is a thread that can be linked to "WoG" in the forum description, it would be a good thing to do.
As Corribus suggested it is a good idea to make a newcomer guide thread that explains everything without relying on knowledge of technical jargon. For instance, terms like "panel board" and "ERM" can create more confusion unless they are also explained.
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You can wait for others to do it, but if they don't know how, you'll wait forever.
Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 15, 2014 12:10 AM |
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Now looks much better 
Corribus, don't forget to update this thread name with the new one.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted February 15, 2014 08:49 AM |
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Well, I'm glad my suggestion was liked and I'm happy to contribute. Thanks for making this an interactive process, Valeriy.
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