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Thread: The worst noobie compkiller advice? [ This thread is 8 pages long: 1 (2) 3 4 5 6 7 8 ]
Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted June 02, 2009 09:56 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 09:58, 02 Jun 2009.

Thanks Angelito. I still have a bad taste about the game where I meet Antal on third day and I had the advantage by having magic arrow in guild and not him. He complained about it then sent an eagle eye scout and I fall in the trap. 2 days later game was over. He had Sepynroth and used as main for a 5 days game. A magic hero...what a noob.
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Galev
Galev


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posted June 02, 2009 10:08 AM

What does compkiller mean anyway? ...

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liophy
liophy


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posted June 02, 2009 10:09 AM
Edited by liophy at 10:17, 02 Jun 2009.

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@ liophy

Please stop your provoking posting style. There is no need to reduce H3 to "TE online game" only.

You may believe it or not, there are still players who play without tournaments and without rules like "no town sitting!".
So calling ballistics WORSE than learning is quite noobish if you consider this..
And if I have the choice between learning and sorcery, I will for sure take sorcery. Call me noob then if you like


Please point in which of my words here i said anything about TE?

And i have never played with "no town sitting" rule ever. Still - i will have no problem whatsoever to win every game, if the opponent decides to stay in his town.

The learning comment was debatable and i admited that its only partially usefull in comparison with other skills. And if we have to compare it to sorcery - i wouldnt take the 15% bonus. Becouse rarely would i rely on ofensive magics in final battle. And even if i do, 15% wouldnt make a diff.

1 level more for my secondary skill would make a difference though...

And finaly - to start argue about the diplo/necro rules in such thread is, to say the least, ridicuous.

And if you say this observation is provoking, than you are no less provoking person, because all the times diplo is mention anywhere, you point out that playing with diplo is easy and not serious...





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liophy
liophy


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Bulgarian
posted June 02, 2009 10:12 AM

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Thanks Angelito. I still have a bad taste about the game where I meet Antal on third day and I had the advantage by having magic arrow in guild and not him. He complained about it then sent an eagle eye scout and I fall in the trap. 2 days later game was over. He had Sepynroth and used as main for a 5 days game. A magic hero...what a noob.


Somebody stop him... Please, Xarfax, say something. Because i dont want to become "bad mannered hero" aswell...

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liophy
liophy


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Bulgarian
posted June 02, 2009 10:19 AM

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What does compkiller mean anyway? ...


A person that finaly succeded to win against 7 computer players (presumably on 200%) and thinks he reached the highest level of game understanding.

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Salamandre
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posted June 02, 2009 10:22 AM

You will be very disappointed, because Xarfax actually knows the game. And very well. He has much more different story games to share than the repetitive TE story "I broke in the middle day x". Which proves nothing but the same pattern ad infinitum.
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Xarfax111
Xarfax111


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posted June 02, 2009 10:26 AM

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Thanks Angelito. I still have a bad taste about the game where I meet Antal on third day and I had the advantage by having magic arrow in guild and not him. He complained about it then sent an eagle eye scout and I fall in the trap. 2 days later game was over. He had Sepynroth and used as main for a 5 days game. A magic hero...what a noob.


Somebody stop him... Please, Xarfax, say something. Because i dont want to become "bad mannered hero" aswell...


Well Salamandre is a very good player. His advices still count. The problem is that you both do have different game playing styles.

But also in my opininion eagle never made a difference, i think its useless, cause it works only AFTER a fight and should be 100% probability.

Russian english (same as German english) always sound rough and unfriendly due to translation anyway.
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xlnt
xlnt


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posted June 02, 2009 10:27 AM

Single play is not an issue - the game is not evolving in single play. No real need to discuss single, it's dissected already. The only reason of Heroes 3 is playing against a human. This goes without saying.

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Galev
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posted June 02, 2009 10:32 AM

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A person that finaly succeded to win against 7 computer players (presumably on 200%) and thinks he reached the highest level of game understanding.


Thanks, so it's something I will never be

The poll reminded me how late I discovered that it is usually better to buy Castle (at least citadell) and dwellings the first week than rushing for the capitol. Good not-too-old times.
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liophy
liophy


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posted June 02, 2009 10:33 AM
Edited by liophy at 10:36, 02 Jun 2009.

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Well Salamandre is a very good player. His advices still count.

The good advices:
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And I can't believe an hero like you consider Ballistic/necromancy/eagle eye/scholar/navigation as worst skills.

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During 10 years great players played with diplomacy/necro and they never complained and accepted the challenge.

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Same for eagle eye on small maps where your first level guild will bury you on first week

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He complained about it then sent an eagle eye scout and I fall in the trap.

I dont want to argue and provoke people. I dont want to be arrogant and agresive.

But SOMEBODY must observe for the quality of this forum.

And when some strange comment is made and somebody point it out - dont yell at him. That means you Angelito!

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liophy
liophy


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posted June 02, 2009 10:35 AM
Edited by liophy at 10:37, 02 Jun 2009.

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You will be very disappointed, because Xarfax actually knows the game. And very well.

That was exactly why i mentioned his name...
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than the repetitive TE story "I broke in the middle day x".

Where the F*ck did i mention TE in this thread??? Do you people have a point or you just wage your wars because you know from other post that i prefer TE?

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted June 02, 2009 10:39 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 10:54, 02 Jun 2009.

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But also in my opininion eagle never made a difference, i think its useless, cause it works only AFTER a fight and should be 100% probability.



I used to think same until I was given a lesson. There are not useless skills but endless situations. On open small maps, knowing that your opponent will attack you day 3 the latest, any unusual small detail can make the difference. Fighting with level 1 heros is not a definitive pattern, as it is when fighting with level 20. On those king of maps you will lose about 8 scouts before day 3 and their "useless" skills can be capital. Don't you think?

The same skills become useless if fights happen month 2 or later. personally I am against those threads about nobish heroes/skills because there is no proof that you can survive to Solmyr if I hit/run you to death with him from day 3 to 7. (supposing there is a well somewhere)

Solmyr and Deemer are good heroes for short games. Later, no.

@Liophy: about the quality of the forums: you joined them in 2006. Before that, I had at my active about 1500 MP games, without rules of course. Unless you guys think you invented the winning strategy and the true rules, lets stop it. 3DO knew how to make a game. Peace to their soul.

I learned from my loses, I enjoyed my wins. but one thing I never did, complained about an unfair strategy. I just shut up and learn to play better.

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liophy
liophy


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posted June 02, 2009 10:53 AM
Edited by liophy at 10:55, 02 Jun 2009.

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I had at my active about 1500 MP games, without rules of course. Unless you guys think you invented the winning strategy and the true rules, lets stop it. 3DO knew how to make a game. Peace to their soul.


You had 1500 games with NO RULES?

OK, you convinced me - its hopeless to argue with you. If 1500 games didnt convinced you about diplo/necro, nobody can.

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@Liophy: about the quality of the forums: you joined them in 2006.


Maybe Maretti should stay silent when you talk, because he is 4 years "juniour" than you, huh?

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Salamandre
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posted June 02, 2009 10:55 AM

As Xarfax says, we enjoy a different style. And maps of course. I never play closed maps, because I like feeling the adrenaline from the first day. If my opponent has the time to find dimension door or join all creatures on the map, that means I am slow and deserve to lose.
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xlnt
xlnt


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posted June 02, 2009 10:56 AM

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But also in my opininion eagle never made a difference, i think its useless, cause it works only AFTER a fight and should be 100% probability.



I used to think same until I was given a lesson. There are not useless skills but endless situations. On open small maps, knowing that your opponent will attack you day 3 the latest, any unusual small detail can make the difference. Fighting with level 1 heros is not a definitive pattern, as it is when fighting with level 20. On those king of maps you will lose about 8 scouts before day 3 and their "useless" skills can be capital. Don't you think?

The same skills become useless if fights happen month 2 or later. personally I am against those threads about nobish heroes/skills because there is no proof that you can survive to Solmyr if I hit/run you to death with him from day 3 to 7.

Solmyr and Deemer are good heroes for short games. Later, no.



This is so made up. There is not even 1% of games where this will happen - i really prefer to loose these games and get going with something that makes sense.

Eagle eye is not even 100% chance.. and you pay how much for it?

In online game against a human lvl1 scout fights are done all the time - in week 4 or in week 7 - Heroes with lvl 4 magic are still beaten while they are at lvl 1 - with faster army and lvl 1 and 2 direct spells. A said Druid is much better in a scout battle than any Warlock or Wizard.

3D0 made a load lot of bugs - i don't know what they can or can't - the game was not QA tested a lot - that is obvious.

Who joined when is so irrelevant. I may had double your MP games in that time.

There are stupid as hell skills, useless to the point where you'd loose your game if you take them, not the other way around - no question about this.

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Xarfax111
Xarfax111


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posted June 02, 2009 10:58 AM

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I used to think same until I was given a lesson. There are not useless skills but endless situations.


I still think that the probability of winning a game due to eagle eye is far too rare to make it a worth skill.

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Solmyr and Deemer are good heroes for short games. Later, no.


Although im totally with you that heroes shouldnt be ruled to death, i disagree that a map that lasts only 7 days long should be played. Btw Solmyr and espcially Deemer can be outmanuoevert pretty easily.
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liophy
liophy


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posted June 02, 2009 11:01 AM
Edited by liophy at 11:03, 02 Jun 2009.

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If my opponent has the time to find dimension door or join all creatures on the map, that means I am slow and deserve to lose.


Who are you? Some special agent, wich goal is to throw away the ppl from this board?

Angelito, dont you thing that the quallity here counts for something?

Come on people, we are in 2009. Not in 2001. Back then such conversation was maybe worth arguing, but not after 10 years.

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Salamandre
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posted June 02, 2009 11:04 AM

I thought you enjoyed Beltway, Xarfax. it was a map who could last 3 days as well as 3 months. Thats why it was a great map.

I am not saying that I enjoy particularly 7 days maps. But sometimes you have to react to an aggressive opponent and the attacks can be triggered very early.  Being hidden behind 4 garrisons and separated by 6 zones is very different. I don't enjoy those maps because there is no surprise on them. You know what he is doing, he knows what you are doing.
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Xarfax111
Xarfax111


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The last hero standing
posted June 02, 2009 11:05 AM

Well liophy and xlnt ..you may havent played enough DIFFERENT styles to understand Salamandre.

Like the gamestyles differd over the years, the present Random games DO NOT differ. Thats why you peeps are so fixed on your only one-way game winning strategy.

Maybe you should play an "open map" game against Salamandre. Even with some rules he will do your pants down.
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bloucester
bloucester


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posted June 02, 2009 11:10 AM

I think Xarfax should be punished for posting this thread

Back then we played without rules, stealing artefacts and jumping over mountains, right now we don't. I like it better this way.

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