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posted February 14, 2011 11:11 PM |
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Corribus,
I think that there is no modern medicine necessary for homosexuals to reproduce. It just needs a certain amount of consciousness in terms of what you are doing and what you have to do.
Think animals. If there are animals who are homosexual (not bisexual), because they are a mutation, they won't reproduce because they won't feel any need to.
However, if homosexuality happens for beings who are able to reflect their situation, if they want to reproduce and have a grasp about the hows and whats and whys, they will find a way, medicine or not.
It doesn't even matter, if homosexuality is allowed or not. If it is allowed, reproduction is no problem for those who want to (I mean, I don't want to go into details, for obvious reasons, but I think it whould be clear), and if it's forbidden, you have to keep up a front, with children being a pretty good one.
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posted February 15, 2011 12:03 AM |
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I think that there is no modern medicine necessary for homosexuals to reproduce. It just needs a certain amount of consciousness in terms of what you are doing and what you have to do.
Yes, that's true of course. All you need to reproduce is the proper tools, and a homosexual person can reproduce. Of course, homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally with each other. Even modern medicine hasn't obtained that feat.
In any case, it's very likely, indeed certain, that homosexuals have reproduced since ancient times. However, I think you'll agree that the notion of a "homosexual family" is a relatively new thing. And modern medicine has made it easier for such families to have offspring (through IVF, sperm donors, egg donors, whatever). I imagine we'll continue to see a proliferation of homosexuals reproducing (if not with each other, at least as individuals).
But your point is well taken.
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Sorry, but marriage according to Jesus Christ is between a male and a female. And, yes, married people can be unhappy. People in an unhappy marriage are unhappy primarily because of sin on the part of one or both of the people. That does not mean that their marriage is not a legitimate marriage.
Which is why Gay Marriage should be legalized, but those religious leaders who cannot support it should have legal protection to not marry people based on those grounds. A religion that welcomes gay marriage should be able to while those that do not should not be forced to. Everybody wins that way.
The deeply "conservative" people of Cambodia for example would never recognize gay marriage, it effectively doesn't happen there. Homosexuality is shamed, shunned and swept under a rug, and if you're flamboyantly gay but don't pretend to just be metro instead you have a high change of getting killed. (Then again, you have a high enough chance of being killed there anyway, but higher than average)
Basically, it's a freedom of religion issue. Let the people who worship one way worship their way and let the others worship it theirs.
The way it works from what I have seen is that when it comes to Christianity, each denomination places emphasis on different words and aspects of Jesus, and they divvy up the Christ like a sacred pie. Often this leads to minor quarrels among Christians who take some words over others and vice versa but at least in the last 50 years things have been more civil than the previous 500. Religion is something to be embraced, other people having religious inclination is also something to be celebrated. After all, our differences make us strong. Thank you for putting out your viewpoints Elodin, they are as valid as anybody else's even if they are a minority one. The more different trains of thought we have in a thread, the more interesting it is typically.
Back to the main topic.
I was raised to see Gay people as being weird and their actions disgusting, but as I grew older I came to realize how little it effected me. I also saw that many, many cool people wound up being gay. Even many of them were completely "normal" people and never "acted gay". They weren't the overcompensating "macho gay" men or "ultra femme" lesbians but just average people who happened to like their own gender. you could have a normal conversation with any of them and never have an inkling.
Basically I overcame the societal pressures placed upon me by a more traditional upbringing. I'm not some sort of break the mold feminist either, I am a stay at home mom for now (at least until I find a good enough job). I am, like most people... average.
But I do enjoy listening to extremist voices on either side of an issue... they are funny.
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On the topic of "Ex-gays".
I'd say in each of those cases, those people are all bisexuals that hadn't found the right person for them. In this case a woman married them and "straightened them out" so to speak.
Many people who get married just lose attraction to anybody they are not married to. I should know. I'm certainly not attracted to anybody at all I can think of. Mind you, only a slim percentage of people have this happen to them. Again why the ex-gays are a minority within a minority.
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posted February 15, 2011 12:23 PM |
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So yeah.
Shhh. I'm embarrassing someone.
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posted February 15, 2011 03:43 PM |
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So tell gay gurus, can a gay become an ungay and can an ungay become a gay, it's unconvertible.
Also is it a gay a man who do it with animal only from the same sex only, or he is a zoophile? Then can a zoophile turn to a gay human lover only or it's more likely to turn to a pedophile or to hetero. Or he can't turn to anything, because it genetic?
So... um what do you think?
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posted February 15, 2011 04:02 PM |
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I think you like chicken a bit too much 
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posted February 15, 2011 11:39 PM |
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Ok I'm new to this forum. I'm gay. And it's the first time I have seen this part of the forum and opened it with saying "please there be no homophobic talk there"
But what I have seen is "Regarding whether homosexuality is a "defect".
or people saying "If there are animals who are homosexual (not bisexual), because they are a mutation" 
and a moderator asking
"Also is it a gay a man who do it with animal only from the same sex only, or he is a zoophile? Then can a zoophile turn to a gay human lover only or it's more likely to turn to a pedophile or to hetero. Or he can't turn to anything, because it genetic?"
Are you people joking and I can't understand the jokes as they are in the previous pages or you really are discussing whether millons of living people and zillions of people including most of the geniuses of the world were/are a deflect?
If that is the case and you are seriously discussing about these please tell me so and I will completely ignore this part of the forum to spare myself from getting angry in vain and will only pay attention to the parts only about the game.
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posted February 15, 2011 11:43 PM |
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But what I have seen is "Regarding whether homosexuality is a "defect".
Did you read my post?
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posted February 16, 2011 12:19 AM |
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Yeah. But I think you haven't understood what my point is. I don't get supportive if you say "it's not a defect" or get aggressive if you say" it is a defect" what is absurd for me is you argue about if it is a defect or a softer word. We are not some laboratory animal for the rest to inspect and I don't see you asking if heterosexuality is a defect or not. Imagine me writing a post titled if you are an animal or not, which I cannot do as it is completely non-sense.
I have no will to argue. I'm just simply asking if what I have said that I have read are serious or joke. Not only talking about yours but also the other ones I have quoted.
Living all my life fighting homophobia with any means I have come to a place in life that I only have the certain people who know what homosexuality is and have the quality I look for. And I don't want to lose that "nice" isolation I have in some forum about a nice game. That is why I'm asking what I ask above. At the very moment I step out of my door, as I live in Turkey, I face with homophobia and fight with it, I will not do so here. So if here is a part of the forum I will have to talk to some discriminator ignorant people, I will just disregard this entire part of the forum. So just tell me if homophobia rules here or not. That is not an agressive question, I just want to know.
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posted February 16, 2011 12:33 AM |
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So just tell me if homophobia rules here or not.
No, I am pretty damn sure it does not.
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posted February 16, 2011 01:29 AM |
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The moderator is acting like a troll, sorry you had to read that. It will be deleted soon.
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posted February 16, 2011 02:00 AM |
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I will just disregard this entire part of the forum
This is probably a good idea anyhow.
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posted February 16, 2011 02:04 AM |
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I will just disregard this entire part of the forum
This is probably a good idea anyhow.
Why is that?
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posted February 16, 2011 02:24 AM |
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[southern accent] Cause we don't take kindly to them perverts 'round 'ere![/southern accent]
Nah, just kidding. It's about all the random bashing and chaos in here, in discussions ranging from religion to which kind of mayonnaise is better. Just hang around for a while and see for yourself.
Anyway, we don't want to offend anyone, but we are kind of free to discuss pretty much anything, though it usually comes down to throwing tomatoes and Hitler around at some point. If you look back through all the arguments and counterarguments and stuff, you'll see why some people think of it as a kind of biological defect, and perhaps understand that they don't mean anything bad by it. Immunity to inspection means taboos and dogmatism, which I'm not a fan of.
You can make a thread about whether heterosexuality is a defect, though I don't suppose the outcome of the discussion would be too uncertain. The important bit is that none of us heterosexuals on the board would be offended by it.  You can also discuss whether having curly hair is a defect, as well.
All in all, none of us here have anything against gay people, so there's no need to get homophobophobic (afraid of homophobic people) around here.
You'll realize, in time, how awesome we all are.
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posted February 16, 2011 03:45 AM |
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Yeah. But....<snip> We are not some laboratory animal for the rest to inspect and I don't see you asking if heterosexuality is a defect or not.
Then you missed the point of my post and I urge you to read it again. I was addressing several posts earlier in the thread which were lexically, conceptually, and factually incorrect: asserting that homosexuality (or, through extrapoliation, any mintority genetic trait - supposing, of course, that homosexuality qualifies) is a "defect". Which it is not. I did not ask the question and nor was it really ever asked. It was rather stated as fact, and frankly I would think you might be supportive of a post that tries to dispel stereotypes, misconceptions and bad information, particularly ones that apply to your demographic. But there you have it. Perhaps you would prefer that I just let stereotypes and scientific misinformation perpetuate themselves even though I have the scientific background to address them?
*shrug*
By the way: Why would I ask whether heterosexuality is a defect or not? Had you comprehended the point of my post, you'd have realized that the answer would be exactly the same as it is for homosexuality and for the exact same reason. Nevertheless, it is perfectly reasonable that homosexuality was the test case for the discussion in question, of course, since the human population is overwhelmingly heterosexual, and in there lies the source of the misconception that began the discussion in the first place.
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I'm just simply asking if what I have said that I have read are serious or joke. Not only talking about yours but also the other ones I have quoted.
My post was not a joke, and I am not homophobic. In fact I'm quite supportive of the rights of homosexuals (as I am supportive of the rights of just about everyone), as I think my posting record here clearly demonstrates.
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So just tell me if homophobia rules here or not. That is not an agressive question, I just want to know.
First, I dislike the term homophobia. Second, I'd say most people here are supportive of homosexuals, or at the least have passive attitudes. Most people here are reasonable, certainly far more reasonable than most online message boards. On the other hand, there are a few people here who seem to think homosexuality is as bad a screwing hamsters, and they aren't afraid to say as much - no matter how stupid they sound when they say it. What do you expect? If you want a place where you never have to read things you don't like, then I wish you luck finding such a location.
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posted February 16, 2011 08:47 AM |
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@ Nocturnal: I actually think you're writing off this thread prematurely. I think if you go back through the pages, you'll see some very serious discussion on the subject. Sure, you might not agree with everything that's written, but I can say fairly safely that you've misunderstood those remarks you quote, or read them out of context.
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posted February 16, 2011 12:17 PM |
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@Nocturnal
grow up.
There are people who are fat and have to cope with the fact that a lot of people laugh at them and call them disgusting. There is a lot of short people who feel treated like garbage. And they just live and don't complain about idiots or rage over teh internets of how badly they are mistreated by arrogant people. People are people. They will make snide or cruel remarks about difference, ALWAYS. The sooner you realize that and learn to ignore that, the better for you. Unless you're looking for some sort of mutual adoration society, but that would definitely not be a public forum with all kinds of people.
Blaming HC for being anti-gay is the most retarded thing I've ever read. This is pretty much the most friendly, open minded PUBLIC forum I've ever seen in my life. If that's not good enough for you, try mutual adoration forums for gays, you will feel great there.
Accusing Corribus, of all people, of being anti-gay is beyond retarded. He's very open minded and very friendly. Try reading his posts next time instead of nitpicking beyond the lines and accusing him of something he isn't.
As for Vokial, he just threw a joke. If you find it insulting, it would be best for you to stop being so oversensitive.
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posted February 16, 2011 02:27 PM |
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@Corribus: Thanks for the kind explanation. That was I wanted to know.
@Alcibiades: I told in my post that I haven't read the previous pages as I get angry so quickly in this subject. And THAT is the reason I asked before reading if homophobia is the dominant atmosphere here I will not read and disregard this part in order to spare myself the anger.
@Doomforge: So these above also replies to your "kind" words. As a "grown-up" man you chose to answer with that attitude. If I wrote some reply like that I know I would recieve some warning but as you have five red stars you feel untouchable it seems. You simply, I'm sorry but that is not out of anger really, couldn't understand what I wrote. I did not accuse anyone in here of homophobia or blamed HC for homophobia. I just asked (again returning to my second paragraph) "And THAT is the reason I asked before reading if homophobia is the dominant atmosphere here I will not read and disregard this part in order to spare myself the anger." That is a precaution like "is there someone in the bathroom?" before entering as I have "heard" some noices coming from there. But it seems there is noone in the bathroom and you entered from the other door shouting "you can't ask if there is someone there! How retarded of you! Grow up and enter"
OK. I have recieved the answer and saw you are not homophobic. Thanks for the "kind" repliers.
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posted February 16, 2011 02:55 PM |
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You're behaving pretty funny, aggressive and defensive at the same time. Imagine you're a fat person. Would anyone treat you seriously if you made a stupid question on the forum asking "hey guys, I just need to know, are fatsos liked here or hated?" ? Or any other question regarding social prejudices. Are blacks liked here? Jews? Bike riders? Gays? Or do you burn them in a furnace?
Just because you feel insecure doesn't justify the fact that the question was simply stupid. And I may as well have a million red stars and still get a penalty if I insult you in any way, so no, I'm not "untouchable". When a group of people discuss homosexuality (few of whom are also gay) and someone suddenly shows up and starts throwing responsible posters to bigot bus just because he saw one post being a joke that he took too seriously, it's stupid.
So, welcome to the thread and enjoy the discussion.
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posted February 16, 2011 03:15 PM |
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And don't drop the soap. I will capitalize on the opportunity to the maximum extent.
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