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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted February 15, 2011 10:26 AM
Edited by MrDragon at 10:29, 15 Feb 2011.

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Damn.... 7 undead or 7 demons is a whole lot of a different story than 6 dwarves with different clothes and different weapons... or 4 snow dark elves with different cloths and sexual weapons...

Really its very different.

Undead and demons aren't like the race base creatures AT ALL.


This would be a valid point were it not for the fact that Demons aren't a race, they aren't even a species.
None of the Demons in the HVI line-up have even remotely similar physiology, they have widely wifferent skeletal structures, body types ranging across quadroped, biped, hexaped.
While say, 4 elves all have the same physiology, are the same species, and likely even the same race of said species.

Similarly across the various undead, who in their widely different states of death all have radically different traits and powers, say like Ghouls and Vampires, both are corpereal humanoid undead, despite that they don't even look like the same species anymore and their powers, traits and (dead) physiology is so different.

So yes, 7 various types of demons is VERY different from 4 elves with different genders and weapons.
Here's a simple rule of thumb: could it under real world circomstances breed with one another?
Yes? you're dealing with the same species, probbably even the same race.
No? You're dealing with different species and thus they cannot be the same race.

Now on Undead this is a bit unfair because they cannot breed at all anyway, but lets examine them closely.

Skeleton: Undead human, no flesh, corpereal, mindless, strip away it's armor and it will have a unique silhoutte.
Ghoul: Undead human(?), flesh, corpereal, disfigured, mindless, strip away it's armor and it has a unique silhoutte.
Ghost: Undead human (ignoring gender, say it's a male), incorpereal, floats (seems to lack legs), intelligent(?), strip away its clothes and it has a unique silhoutte.
Vampire and Lich: Undead human, flesh, corpereal, looks human enough, intelligent, strip away their armor and gear, they will have very similar silhouttes.
Lammasu: Undead Lammasu, flesh, corpereal, mindless? or intelligent?, naked and has unique silhoutte.
Fate Spinner: Divine being, flesh(?), corpereal, intelligent, when stripped naked has two unique silhouttes.

Say if you apply that to the Wardancer, the Druid and the Ranger, they are reduced to an identical creature, the undead ones, other then the vampire and lich, are not.
Same deal for the Demons though the Maniac and Tormentor come very close.
I'll say it once more, Haven is a lost cause to me, I'll just accept that, but I can still hope for Rampart, Dungeon and (V)Fortress to be better then that.


Now this is just as I see it, and that is why I am ok with the inferno line-up, though I still feel the Maniac and the Tormentor are a bit to close for comfort.
Other people may have other reasonings, but I am not arbitrarily just saying creature X and Y are the same base creature without some thought.



As for Reputation, I'm not a big fan of binary alignment systems, but it's still better then not having one usually, it presents us with at least some choice, and choice is good.
Can't wait to hear more and in more detail... GIVE ME DETAILED HERO INFO DANGIT!

Edit1: OOOH Darkness Elemental looks GREAT, me likey!
Me likey the entire screenshot actually despite it's simplicity, really atmospheric, I can imagine some great maps being made with the tilesets.

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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted February 15, 2011 10:30 AM
Edited by Elvin at 10:32, 15 Feb 2011.

@kodial79
It's not new Btw I have my reasons to doubt they'll look anything like that if we get them in H6.

And as for today's screenshot it basically says that underground can be either natural subterranean caves(as you've already seen) or with a dungeon tileset. In general there is good variety in customizing a terrain.
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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Look into my eyes...
posted February 15, 2011 10:32 AM

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OooOoOoHhh, another new image of the Faceless! Me likes!


Great screenshot! Dark elemental it seems in the middle....kind of confirms the elementals are like the magic schools....wondering what primordial elemental will look like!

Who is the Faceless? I read about him in the timeline but who is he exactly?

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kodial79
kodial79


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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted February 15, 2011 10:34 AM

More importantly, from every screenshot of the underground that we saw so far, it becomes quite clear that it's not as messy as H5's where huge map objects were getting in the way of your field of view.
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soul_blighter
soul_blighter


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posted February 15, 2011 10:50 AM

the underground looks better than ever! really happy with what i see.

this maybe a silly question, but i'm not really sure what this supposedly dark elemental is doing there. if u look at its position, its not guarding anything. at the same time, the hero can easily bypass it without engaging it. wonder if it is a quest to eliminate the creature maybe? any thoughts?

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted February 15, 2011 11:10 AM

Dragon tears, dragon blood, dragon crystals... soon we'll have dragon droppings as well.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted February 15, 2011 11:53 AM

I think people will be able to cut Ashan a lot more slack if the campaign this time will actually have a good story.

Another reason why I've been annoyed with Ashan is that it's kinda similar to my DnD setting I created 10 years ago which also had elemental dragon lords, they don't have as much of a constant pressence though.
Anyway, ever since HV came out I've been getting a lot of flak on my setting's creation myth being similar, even having two elder dragons (time and life) who spawned 10 children (fire,water,earth,air,light,darkness,nature,artifice,mind,soul).
The only reason people stopped was because I wove existing gods and myths into the story (norse,egyptian,greek,aztec,chinese,japanese,hindu to name a few).
But it's hard to get past that first bump... so yeah, my grudge against Ashan is actually quite personal.

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Charrclaw
Charrclaw


Known Hero
posted February 15, 2011 12:31 PM

Thumb up for dark elemental and for that new info, rly like it

And I rly don't see the argue about Ubisofts heroes. Just face it that it is the new world and it is not going to change in NWC one.

If you don't like it, don't play it. It's simple as that.


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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted February 15, 2011 12:55 PM

At least make sure you do so where it counts Hopefully tomorrow's screenshot will divert your mind from this silly topic.
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alcibiades
alcibiades


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted February 15, 2011 01:24 PM

Ok, time to end silly discussion on things we can't change.

Instead, discuss epic new picture of skill / leveling up screen:


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spamm
spamm


Hired Hero
posted February 15, 2011 01:35 PM

Hmm...
English site: The Deep Naga respect the tremendous blows of the Cyclops and consider it blessed by Shalassa.
Deutsch site: Die Kensei haben Hochachtung vor den gewaltigen Schlägen der Zyklopen und halten sie für von Shalassa gesegnet.
French site: Les Kenshi craignent les terribles coups des Cyclopes et considèrent que Shalassa les protègent.

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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted February 15, 2011 01:39 PM
Edited by kodial79 at 13:41, 15 Feb 2011.

Hmmm... Slava Griffin
Level 6 magic hero? Oh come on, give us a name here... I guess this is not final.

What's that about specialties (?), you can reset everything? Cool!

Kensei and Kenshi are Japanese... Ken is the sword, I think. Kensei could be something Swordsmaster? Kenshi must be the swordsman. Well, something like that more or less... Nagas did appear to have an oriental culture of sorts. Especially the Naga units which were somewhat modeled after Japanese warriors.
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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted February 15, 2011 01:42 PM

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Ok, time to end silly discussion on things we can't change.

Instead, discuss epic new picture of skill / leveling up screen:



Now THAT is interesting, pity the quality is so horrible it's hard to make anything of it.
I doubt the screen is also going to look like that, probably just an alpha place holder, but that does seem to show some nice variety.
I'll be attempting to dissect it when I got the time, cheers for that Alci.

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Look into my eyes...
posted February 15, 2011 01:46 PM




Who created the demons? Urgash.
Who created the Elder races? Asha.

Plain and simple. Asha created the world, the elemental dragons, the Elder races and everything else. Urgash, consumed by jealousy over the elder races, creates the Demons seeking to surpass Asha’s achievements....don't you remember reading this? Urgash had a beef with Asha, not the Elemental Dragons.

If you were right, then who created the Humans? The Dragon of Air (whom they turned away from) or The Dragon of Light (whom they worship since 48 YSD)? Neither. Asha created the humans and all elder races.


If I do recall well it is "The Elder races are created" there isn't one single word about the fact who created them. And I do not see any reason why the elemental D. could not create them. The fact that some/most of the humans have changed their belief doesn't have enithing incomom with this fact. it is just evolution. I may not by 100% right but it is weird that you were asking questions and now you try to correct my. Someone who does know more about the Age of myths and ancient time on Ashan would be welcomed


No worries, we are just discussing this and we have different opinions that all. Sorry if I am coming across like I'm trying to correct you.
The full text was "The 'Elder' mortal races are created as servants of the Elemental Dragons."
This tells me that Asha created the Elder races otherwise it would have said "The Elder races are created BY the Elemental Dragons to worship them".

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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted February 15, 2011 01:48 PM

I was pretty close, Kensei means Swords Saint. Kenshi means swordsman indeed. If anything, that's a good hint that Nagas are still as we saw them on the leak.
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admira
admira


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Famous Hero
posted February 15, 2011 01:52 PM

Nice picture on level up, someone hold the 3 skills points . I got a feeling we are getting closer to skills revealing (finally). Hopefully with a proper description, even as cryptic as the creature's ability description will do

@Zeno & Kordial: You can start another thread to discuss lore, I mean pretty please. Space Alien Demons vs Dragon Gods will make a good Thread title.

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alcibiades
alcibiades


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Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted February 15, 2011 02:01 PM

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I'll be attempting to dissect it when I got the time, cheers for that Alci.

I just copied it from the Artwork thread to bring something more interesting to the table.

Anyway, there seems to be still some sort of level 1-2-3 system going on between the rows, similar to Basic/Advanced/Expert. We can see that some skills are learned (v checkmark below), some probably can be chosen (- mark below) and some are banned(?) (x mark below) - or maybe these simply can't be picked yet, because the appropriate level or something haven't been reached - maybe the right level of skill has not been reached, or something.

I like how it looks, it looks pretty easy to overview from this picture, will be nice to have some better quality images. This is the first screenshot that actually gets me really excited to play the game - the rest has sort of just been eye-candy.
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Mike80D
Mike80D


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Map Maker
posted February 15, 2011 02:01 PM

I don't care about the lore, land of Ashan, accuracy of the mythology, colors of the creatures, or quantity of dragon references (they are afterall references, not an actual over-abundance of dragons).

I do however care about gameplay and hero development!  That skill tree has me intriqued, and I'm very glad they went that route.  Hopefully there aren't skills that are always more ueseful to take than others, etc.  

With regards to the picture, I understand the 3 main types up top, but what are the 3 different icons down on the bottom left?


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whiterider
whiterider


Known Hero
death walks with me
posted February 15, 2011 02:22 PM
Edited by whiterider at 14:25, 15 Feb 2011.

That "refreshing button" is interesting. Does it mean that you can use one skill build for certain battles and then change it - this is a free way to have all spells under different circumstainces - lets say you need haste in one battle - you choose it, then you swap it with slow for another or bless, or somekind of elemental protection.

Of course I doubt it will work in that way, maybe the refreshing will be available every 10 levels or it will cost certain amount of skill points.

edit:
the air and the water icons are the same - and I remember that the devs said that all school will be available for all factions (or maybe only for the magic heroes and this one is a might hero)

Why the advanced skill icon is first in the row and is inactive and the second and third icons are active (maybe in Ashan they are writing from right to left)

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mytheroes
mytheroes


Famous Hero
posted February 15, 2011 02:23 PM

I hope that resetting the skills will give you significant penalty otherwise people will just hit the reset button over and over again.

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