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yasmiel
yasmiel


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posted February 18, 2011 10:59 AM

So i guess its granted that dwarves won't show up in expansion now
Since they didn't want another orc expansion i guess it works for dwarves too.
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deadace
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posted February 18, 2011 11:00 AM

Since Medusa's portrait has been in screenshots of a cave or something, I'm sure she'll be a boss.
I would also think that a couple of elementals are bosses, otherwise with 6 elementals, that only leaves 2 neutrals that aren't elementals.. which I think is unlikely.

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kodial79
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posted February 18, 2011 11:17 AM
Edited by kodial79 at 11:24, 18 Feb 2011.

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Since Medusa's portrait has been in screenshots of a cave or something, I'm sure she'll be a boss.
I would also think that a couple of elementals are bosses, otherwise with 6 elementals, that only leaves 2 neutrals that aren't elementals.. which I think is unlikely.


Could be the Coral Maiden's head as well.

Can I be smug and say that I knew Behemoths would not make it in?
But I'm glad they are still being considered and maybe return for an expansion. I hope they will look nothing like H4's Behemoths though, cause that'll be a disappointment.

The way I see it, there's the 4 classic elementals and 4 more creatures, that could probably be unrelated to the element. Calling that dark creature in the other day's screenshot, a dark elemental, is nothing but an assumption. It could be some kind of undead too.

Also, I think it's been indirectly confirmed that these great sabertooth jaguars that the Jaguar Warriors fight with, will be in the game. So other than the 4 elementals, the dark creature and the feathered creature, there's the jaguar too. And then only one more neutral creature remains completely unknown.

Only one thing bugs me. He said that the Black Dragon has not been left out. The way he said it, I believe he meant, that he's gonna be a boss in the initial release of the game. But on the same topic, he said that some factions in expansions are going to have Dragons as champions. Implying that the Black Dragon also gonna be the champion for the future Dungeon? I think not.

EDIT: If the Phoenix is not a Boss, then we know all 8 neutrals by now.
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Pahomije
Pahomije


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posted February 18, 2011 11:24 AM

I'm really disappointed that we definitely won't see a Sylath faction anytime soon  There is just so much potential in an Air faction.  

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MrDragon
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posted February 18, 2011 11:25 AM
Edited by MrDragon at 11:27, 18 Feb 2011.

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Since Medusa's portrait has been in screenshots of a cave or something, I'm sure she'll be a boss.
I would also think that a couple of elementals are bosses, otherwise with 6 elementals, that only leaves 2 neutrals that aren't elementals.. which I think is unlikely.

I'm pretty certain all six elementals will be equal roughly in power, probably Elite and can be summoned by people specializing in their respective schools.
Along with the Phoenix as 7th there will likely be an Urgash themed neutral.
Possibly the last two might be summonable as well under Primordial magic, maybe even linked to Reputation, say you've collected more "Tears" then "Blood", it's the Phoenix and more "Blood" then "Tears" it's the 8th neutral.

Somehow I can live with that, I just hope they will have external dwellings for them as well.

I don't think he mentioned 8 bosses, but I'm thinking it's probably not far off, there's likely to be 1 intro boss, Namtaru seems like an intro boss, as in screens you fight her with I believe it was Slava... or that necromancer woman who's name I forgot.
Ok so 1 intro boss.
1 boss at least for each campaign, so that's 5.
1 boss maybe even two for the finale.
7 or 8 bosses seems likely in that case.

If you count those as neutral creatures that lands us at around 15 or 16 creatures, which is pretty damn good actually.
so not counting upgrades, the game will features roughly 50 creatures, give or take, around 85 if you count upgrades.


Edit: Wasn't it pretty clear those women statue faces with the tentacles were images of Asha's spider aspect? go take another look at the fate spinner, particulairly her "hair".
I'm pretty certain we already had this discussion last year.

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DannyTheHound
DannyTheHound

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posted February 18, 2011 11:27 AM

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But on the same topic, he said that some factions in expansions are going to have Dragons as champions. Implying that the Black Dragon also gonna be the champion for the future Dungeon? I think not.



He said that some factions are hard to imagine without dragon in their line-up. I too believe he meant dungeon, but that doesn't mean the potential dragon has to be black. Maybe the black dragon will be boss in the initial release, and the new dungeon in expansion will have different colored dragons (e.g. grey, red, rust) as a champion unit.

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Yaeliccc
Yaeliccc


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posted February 18, 2011 11:51 AM

so the news are 8 neutrals, 8 bosses - 2 per faction besides orcs and that dungeon is in the expension.... gonna wait for 4.5 years and maybe i'll get me a medusa in heroes 7
and a big on the explanation about the devils...
hope next friday we get more news.... awesome weekend to all

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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posted February 18, 2011 12:01 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 12:02, 18 Feb 2011.

Today's Q&A thing is definitely better than the first one but still there is nothing essential. I guess there is no point in waiting for some major info release before the announcement of Naga the fifth faction.
And yeah, the Devil explanation is hilarious and it sounds like the creature will be completely out of the game.

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alcibiades
alcibiades


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted February 18, 2011 12:08 PM

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Today's Q&A thing is definitely better than the first one but still there is nothing essential. I guess there is no point in waiting for some major info release before the announcement of Naga the fifth faction.
And yeah, the Devil explanation is hilarious and it sounds like the creature will be completely out of the game.

Technically, Devil might apear as a Boss, but I sort of agree that the explanation for why they left them out doesn't make much sense from a logical point of view. In fact, I think a much better explanation would be that they want Angels to be associated with Elrath (i.e. Dragon of Light) and not the normal christian association which necessarily comes from the Angel/Devil pairing.

Still, 8 bosses gives us a clue that we've far fromm seen them all yet. I would have guessed 5 (namely one from each faction).
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Aosaw
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posted February 18, 2011 12:24 PM

Maybe I'm just jaded, but I was disappointed with this week's Q&A.  The only new information was that there are eight neutrals and eight bosses.  The rest of the video seemed to be trying to justify decisions that they already made.

So is this a press conference, or a Q&A?  There's a difference.

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Elvin
Elvin


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posted February 18, 2011 12:26 PM

We did ask for those. Blame the posters
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kodial79
kodial79


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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted February 18, 2011 12:49 PM

Well, I did say and still saying that Q&A should be more blockbuster'ish

I liked the explanation for the lack of Devils in the line-up. Means these Overlords that rule Sheogh now, are actually Archdevils. Then Sovereign came along and kicked their ass out of power and into the tier 7 creatures we saw in H5. Pretty nice story.

@Deadace
About wether the face was of Coral Maiden or Medusa, I guess we can't say for sure. If Coral Maiden is too small as you say, to not have such a big statue to her honor, then why would the Medusa be any different in this? Unless the Medusa is a boss... Then that changes everything.

You know what? I would like it better if Medusa is a boss. And a unique one at that. Means this time around the Medusa goes more according to legends, an individual of the race of Gorgons... We'll just wait and see.

I think he did clearly say that there will be 8 bosses affiliated with factions. Now I'm not sure if all of those 8 will be affiliated with a faction. Cause if the Black Dragon is to return as a boss, then there is no faction to affiliate itself with.


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foxxxer
foxxxer


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posted February 18, 2011 12:57 PM
Edited by foxxxer at 13:00, 18 Feb 2011.

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We did ask for those. Blame the posters

But they could have shown us some artworks of the neutrals like mounts in previous video. We've seen already 3D models of the Earth elementals on the adventure map. I think their way of revealing is totaly wrong. IMO first should be show the the artworks, then 3d model on aventure map, then 3D model in a battle.

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DoubleDeck
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posted February 18, 2011 01:02 PM

The 8 neutrals:

- Air Elemental
- Water Elemental
- Earth Elemental
- Fire Elemental
- Phoenix
- ?
- ?
- ?

The 8 bosses:

- Archangel Michael (Haven)
- Mother Namtaru (Necro)
- Dragon Eel (Naga)
- ? (Inferno)
- ? (Haven)
- ? (Necro)
- ? (Naga)
- ? (Inferno)

This is what we know. There has to be 2 bosses per faction (without Stronghold) as cannot have bosses for factions not in Heroes VI yet.

We can only speculate on the ? above....

Maybe neutrals: Dark Elemental, Light Elemental, Wolf, Mummy, Manticore.
Maybe bosses: Devil (Inferno), Bone Dragon (Necro)

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Elvin
Elvin


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posted February 18, 2011 01:03 PM

Who tells you an update on that has not already been planned? Like Marzhin said the only new answers yo can get in a Q&A is what is not going to be part of an 'official' reveal.
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted February 18, 2011 01:07 PM

@DoubleDeck

That feathered and dark creatures from the recent screenshots. Marzhin also hinted at the existence of great cats and the black dragon. Some Overlord might also make it as a Boss, that will be the devil Boss.
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Wckey
Wckey


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posted February 18, 2011 01:32 PM
Edited by Wckey at 13:37, 18 Feb 2011.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they said somewhere that they already had made 10 bosses? I'm looking for the interview where they said that but I don't find it.
So there's no Boss associated with Stronghold. That's a smart move. Like this they can add bosses in the expansion that will not look simillar to the vanilla ones, since there's no Stronghold boss in the vanilla
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Zenofex
Zenofex


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posted February 18, 2011 01:33 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 13:36, 18 Feb 2011.

One of Inferno's bosses will most likely be that Shai-Hulud wannabe from the Sandor poster. Which looks pretty boring. Hopefully the Devil will take the other place. Of course it will have to be some Devil with a name.
Edit: Wckey, you're right, this was mentioned shortly after the announcement - last year for sure - but I don't think it was officially confirmed.

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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


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posted February 18, 2011 01:38 PM
Edited by Nelgirith at 13:46, 18 Feb 2011.

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Well, I did say and still saying that Q&A should be more blockbuster'ish

It's not an Ubi official Q&A, it's more like a present from Marzhin and Xhane to the community. They're only anwswering questions that have been asked all around either on FB or on the various forums. Nothing is forcing them to do so, but they do it, so we should be thankful rather than jumping the guns because it's not as good looking as the Stronghold reveal video.

Keep in mind that if we had to wait for an official Ubi Q&A with nice music and gameplay footage, I'm sure we'd be waiting about half a year between each Q&A session


Now about the Q&A in itself :

8 neutrals and 8 bosses
I'm VERY disappointed by "only" having 8 neutrals. This is even less than every episod since H1 - H1 : 4 neutrals / H2 and H5 : 9 neutrals / H3 : 15 neutrals (19, if you count the elementals that joined the Conflux) / H4 : 26 neutrals. It's way too few and I'd even go further by saying that it's not acceptable. While I can understand their philosophy behind lowering the amount of resources (and I said understand, not accept ), lowering the amount of neutrals even more is plain stupid.

Also bosses are NOT neutrals in essence. You won't see a boss at every crossroad and you won't see a boss guarding a gold mine (unless some mapmaker went mad). The boss concept in itself is a great addition imo and I'm glad to see that we'll get 8 different ones and not just copy-paste of each other, but it doesn't make up for the lack of true neutrals.


No boss associated to Stronghold :
Just one question : Why not ?
I think it was pointless to affiliate bosses to faction. Ubi is mostly uselessely hindering their choice by forcing themselves into "ok, now we need an Inferno boss" and "well, now we need a Haven boss!". True neutral bosses would have been fine as well. We could have had a black dragon boss, a titan boss or whatever else.


Upgrades and hierarchy :
Marzhin talked about upgrades but I'm wondering about how they fit in the hierarchy. How much stronger are they compared to the normal version ? How do they fit in scale between the cores and the elites (or between elites and champions for the elite upgrades) ? Is there even a point in recruiting non-upgraded units when you have the upgrades ? (I sure hope not).


Inferno Champion :
Tbh, I can't say I'll miss the Devils, especially not the H5 ones. Pits and Nightmares have always been my favourite creatures in Inferno, so seeing the Pits promoted is good !
Seeing the Nightmares removed on the other hand is ...


Vampire Design :
Well, I still don't like them and I still prefer the good old H2 vampires


Ylath faction :
I'm kinda sad that Ubi seems to consider the Orcs as the Ylath faction - if that's true, Orcs are also the Sylanna faction since they follow Mother Earth
I was still hoping for some Aviak-like faction


Why the Bastion :
People complaining about Stronghold being in H6 over Academy/Dungeon/Sylvan are mostly people who were fans of these 3 factions - just like I'm fan of the Stronghold.
The main issue is not that they picked Stronghold in the first place, it's more the fact that they chose to pick only 5 factions to start with


Dragons :
It's quite obvious that the "some factions cannot NOT have dragons" was clearly aimed at the Dungeon and most likely the Sylvan too, but most of us were already expecting them in an add-on for a long time.
I'm happy that they chose to stop the dragonmania from H5 and wouldn't be against Dungeon getting at least their dragons back, though I would still hope that the blackies gain a boss status


EDIT : Oh an I forgot one point !
With the bosses being affiliated to factions and with the Dragon Eel being a boss, doesn't this officially confirm Sanctuary as the 5th faction ???

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Elvin
Elvin


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posted February 18, 2011 01:47 PM

Obviously an upgrade only makes a unit better. I do not know about raw stats but the upgrades sure come with powerful abilities.

Dragons.. We could get both actually, for all we know the really old dragons(or closer related to Malassa) are immensely powerful compared to regular ones. Just a guess though.
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