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kodial79
kodial79


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Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted February 18, 2011 10:14 AM

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8. ? (That dark creature from previous screenshot) (neutral or boss?)

Elvin said that was an elemental, so pretty sure that would make it a Darkness elemental. Technically, it *could* be a boss, but I hope they'll make all elementals same tier (Elite probably).

Also, if it *is* Darkness Elemental, we will probably see a Light Elemental also.


Well, we do not know the name yet. Dark Elemental is just a wild guess. Perhaps it's as much of an elemental as the Glory is, and is the opposite of her. I mean to say that if the Glory is considered the Light Elemental, then the name of the other one should not be "Dark Elemental". But since there's no faction affiliated to Malassa, then it is a neutral unlike the Glory which is with Haven.



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vitorsly
vitorsly


Known Hero
Joker!
posted February 18, 2011 11:34 AM

Seriously! Behemoths and tunderbirds may exist in Ashan but my brother will freakout when I say to him:
'They didnt talk about trolls' 'NO'
His favorite faction is Stronghold and his favorite creature is the Troll. He will never survive withaut them. (never played Heroes 4 and he considers H5 slayer as a troll)
I hate when creatures disapear from one game to anoter.

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alcibiades
alcibiades

Hero of Order
and Light
posted February 18, 2011 11:37 AM

Actually, Troll was in Heroes 4:



But yeah, I miss good ol' days Heroes 1 Purple troll. That was my favorite Heroes 1 creature.
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vitorsly
vitorsly


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Joker!
posted February 18, 2011 11:38 AM
Edited by vitorsly at 11:43, 18 Feb 2011.

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Seriously! Behemoths and tunderbirds may exist in Ashan but my brother will freakout when I say to him:
'They didnt talk about trolls' 'NO'
His favorite faction is Stronghold and his favorite creature is the Troll. He will never survive withaut them. (he considers H5 slayer as a troll)
I hate when creatures disapear from one game to anoter.

I also was thinking that the heroes of might and magic world is a stereotypical high school:
Haven: Sporty and cool guys.
Stronghold: The bully
Elves: The Biology teacher.
Dungeon: The goths.
Academy: The math nerds.
Necropolis: Obscure D&D players.
Inferno: Physical Education teacher.
Swamp: That silent guy you dont even see him.
Dwarves: The drunk janitor.
Naga: The hippys.

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Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted February 18, 2011 12:14 PM

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They made a good decision. Seriously, In H3 the devil didn't look too demonic, and in H4 and H5 it was a joke. If they wanted a Devil, change the name of the Pit Lord to Devil and the problem is solved
The Heroes III and IV Devils were freakin' aliens, not demons. Yet they did look demonic, especially the Heroes III one which is still widely considered the best Devil so far. Not to mention my personal favourite creature.

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Willis
Willis


Known Hero
posted February 18, 2011 12:21 PM
Edited by Willis at 12:23, 18 Feb 2011.

Haha, that's a fun idea. I have my own version:

Haven: The preps
Stronghold: The jocks
Elves: The hippies
Dungeon: The sl*ts
Academy: The nerds
Necropolis: The goths
Inferno: The bullies
Naga: Swim team (wannabe jocks)

edit: lol, apparently the word "sl*ts" is turne into "snows" when you don't censor it.

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Charrclaw
Charrclaw


Known Hero
posted February 18, 2011 12:34 PM

Well...I had to mute the video to watch it ><
Anyways, I'm sure they'll add more neutrals to game, 8 and 5 factions is just...empty.

And I don't see demon Overlord as boss. They were all "eliminated" by coming of Kha-beleth.

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Sleeping_Sun
Sleeping_Sun


Known Hero
Author
posted February 18, 2011 12:56 PM

I expected more of the official box cover of H6, but it is not that bad either. It looks pretty.

The angel Sara is going to play a big part in the campaign. She is probably the fallen angel and maybe she is the one who will posses Kiril...
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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted February 18, 2011 12:57 PM

Hopefully quality will manage to make up for the lack of quantity but it certainly won't be easy.

Alongside neutrals it leaves us with 43 different creatures to use in our maps (never counted upgrades). It is really low total ammount and it might hurt the immersion of maps and make battles and their background seem too repetitive.

I can't stop feeling that we are getting half a game. Then again, i guess that is the way today's games go.
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Meskyn
Meskyn


Adventuring Hero
posted February 18, 2011 01:12 PM

We probably have a dragon boss for each faction:
Naga - water dragon;
Haven - air dragon;
necro - bone dragon;
inferno - chaos dragon.

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vitorsly
vitorsly


Known Hero
Joker!
posted February 18, 2011 01:16 PM
Edited by vitorsly at 13:18, 18 Feb 2011.

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That is the most stupid and boring excuse and another reason to hate the storyline...


Really leave trolls out the game because its a storyline? Why would you create such as stupid storyline? My bet is that they just hate trolls and can't get the regeneration-skill valid or balanced.

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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted February 18, 2011 01:18 PM

Well, as far as Ashan goes, Hydras stole the regeneration .

Which proves that Hydras are in fact, Trolls!
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Maeerol
Maeerol


Hired Hero
posted February 18, 2011 01:34 PM
Edited by maeerol at 13:36, 18 Feb 2011.

And I was expecting to see trolls as neutrals...
anyway, if you just replace them with ogres or even "natural golens", they can be forgotten... I hope so, that some of the "classical creatures", like mummies, wolfs( or werewolfs ), elementals, troglodytes( or kobolds ) and even the peasants appear as neutrals too.

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Sleeping_Sun
Sleeping_Sun


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posted February 18, 2011 01:35 PM
Edited by Sleeping_Sun at 13:36, 18 Feb 2011.

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I don't have to play the storyline to know that it's stupid to make a storyline that forbits some creatures, especially cool and fitting creatures.

And trolls are nostalgic creaturs from the early days of the series, they should respect them.
You have just disappointed me Nighty. I was expecting answer with an argument to support your statement. According to you I can say that Lotr films are boring without even watching them. And that is one piece of ____. You can't know something without watching them or playing/seeing... it. The last time I looked you were not all seeing. They are making new creatures but some must go as well. I am not saying that I justify them, but they have a plan, vision for this franchise. Allow them to create something new, something fresh. After all they are moving now and they don't want to be in the same dead spot where 3do/nwc left it...
I appreciate your aggressive opinion, although from time to time they go to universal plane if you get what I am saying, but it still doesn't prove your point at all.
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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted February 18, 2011 01:36 PM

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My bet is that they just hate trolls and can't get the regeneration-skill valid or balanced.

Lulz this has gotta be the silliest theory I've heard lately.

Besides I've got a troll for you right here.



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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 18, 2011 01:39 PM

without counting extensions and upgrades of creatures :
H2 : 45 creatures
H3 : 62 creatures
H4 : 67 creatures
H5 : 48 creatures
H6 : 51 creatures

looks like 3D graphics are more important than the number of creatures?

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Kenishi
Kenishi


Known Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted February 18, 2011 01:45 PM
Edited by Kenishi at 13:52, 18 Feb 2011.

  A new Q&A, but this time around is much better good job whit it.
  Wheel although not very abundant in information but with all the secrecy around release material ans being literally tide by there hand I mean mouth is pretty Ok.

 So 8 neutral (not really interested in bosses as the probably wont be available as purchasable units), hmm i thing this time Nightterror hit the nail on the coffin (so to speak) the creatures you will fight after a while will be the same crossbowmen or lich, and even if they create mix troops like ToE it's still going to become boring (at list for me), and also taking in consideration that whit the neutral creatures they had the most liberty and could have created a multitude of creatures whiteout the need of a common them, and if the didn't want to break there brain whit creating new units the have like 25 years worth of monsters that just needed to be visually upgraded trolls, carnivorous plat (it will probably take place in a jungle so I'm shocked if there not going to make it), insects, basilisks etc they gave us the enormous amount of 8.

  O when I said there is going to become boring I don't just mean visually but also from a game play view I mean once you find the best strategy to deal whit a given unit you'll apply it, but after the 50th battle I'll (and probably most of you) just hit the auto button, quick battle or the Let them flea button to avoid the fight altogether, but if you had like 20 neutrals and also the mix troops like ToE chances are boringness will install later or non at all.

 On a closing note I might be hotheaded writing all this and a bit disappointed (and after I'll cool down I might accept the fact)  but still just 8 neutral and most of them elementals are to few, for goodness sake it's a fantasy game but ...  better live it at that
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Sleeping_Sun
Sleeping_Sun


Known Hero
Author
posted February 18, 2011 02:27 PM

I think that you do not look at H6 as a whole game but creatures and everything else. If you are obsessed with the number of the creatures in the game than it will always poke you in the eyes and you won't enjoy the game... Look at the game as a whole...
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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted February 18, 2011 02:39 PM

On the other hand, look at it like this.
Not counting bosses, only two games started with a higher number of neutrals. 2 (9 neutrals)& 4 (10 neutrals). So look at it like we're getting the third highest count of neutrals yet. And counting bosses this is the game which starts with most neutral creatures.
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Sleeping_Sun
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posted February 18, 2011 02:42 PM

Finally, someone with optimism. This place was starting to stink from pessimism.
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