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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 (20) 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ]
veco
veco


Legendary Hero
peek-a-boo!
posted November 03, 2010 04:59 AM

@Danny
I hate to be nitpicking but Pitlord are the most dangerous that can be found and not controlled, please don't twist words and meanings.

I have nothing againts them being champions because I don't care about that, what I do care about is making a needless avalanche of speculations before we know anything solid.



Well ok, I love nitpicking
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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted November 03, 2010 05:04 AM

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@Danny
I hate to be nitpicking but Pitlord are the most dangerous that can be found and not controlled, please don't twist words and meanings.

I have nothing againts them being champions because I don't care about that, what I do care about is making a needless avalanche of speculations before we know anything solid.



Well ok, I love nitpicking


Found in the legions = part of the army = being controlled as a unit. If it's not in the legions, how would it end up there? They don't have to resort to animating and creating more creatures with so many demons available, do they?

Like I said, if they wanted to imply there's an even bigger unit that can be recruited, they wouldn't have worded it like that.

Also, since it's confirmed by an insider, I'd say it's definitely more than speculation. It's not like Elvin had to comment on this if he wasn't sure about it. He also called it a "revelation people were expecting".

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
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posted November 03, 2010 05:44 AM

I agree with Danny, I'd say it's "safe to assume" due to the way it's worded.
Sure it's possible, but it's not likely.
I am going to assume, with plenty of reason, that the Pit Fiend/Lord is the Champion.

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mytheroes
mytheroes


Famous Hero
posted November 03, 2010 06:28 AM

New inferno units: The Tormentor!

http://www.facebook.com/MightandMagic?ref=ts#!/photo.php?fbid=458234184587&set=a.439962139587.208802.161184829587
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veco
veco


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peek-a-boo!
posted November 03, 2010 06:30 AM

Now that's wicked
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mytheroes
mytheroes


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posted November 03, 2010 06:31 AM
Edited by mytheroes at 06:32, 03 Nov 2010.

The Tormentor

Tormentors are the servants of Ur-Traggal, Demon Overlord of Pain. Tormentors are consumed by the endless suffering of Urgash and inflict upon their own bodies unthinkable horrors. They draw power from their own agony, and use their deformations to strike their enemies. The Tormentors' skeleton is his principal weapon, as he is able to tear out pieces of his body to use in combat. His ribs can pierce through his chest to pin an adversary: his bones can elongate and project through his fingers to provide him with razor-like talons.

The upgrade is The Excruciator.
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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted November 03, 2010 06:35 AM

Loving it!
Not going to double post the same stuff, I also suggest we move the specific conversation to the "Creatures" topic.

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Xerox
Xerox


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted November 03, 2010 07:20 AM

omfg thats freaking awesome!
very original and cool

I think Inferno will end up looking something like this:

Core: Imp, Cerberus, Succubus
Elite: Tormentor, Efreet, Juggernaut
Champion: Pit Fiend

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted November 03, 2010 08:42 AM

Umm reason I 'confirmed' it was because ubi had made it rather obvious already. I said nothing about the flyer being a champion, does it even look like one? Not cool enough.

If you felt that the H5 tier 7 were boring you may like some of the current champions
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MrDragon
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posted November 03, 2010 08:44 AM

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Umm reason I 'confirmed' it was because ubi had made it rather obvious already. I said nothing about the flyer being a champion, does it even look like one? Not cool enough.

If you felt that the H5 tier 7 were boring you may like some of the current champions

I did feel they were boring, and guessing that the Pit Fiend is a Champion, as well as the Avatar of Asha.
So far I'm liking them a lot indeed!

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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posted November 03, 2010 08:49 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 08:51, 03 Nov 2010.

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We have had way to many boring melee champions anyway.
None of the melee tier 4s/6s/7s from the previous games was a shallow perfect-template melee combatant, so I disagree. You have flying dragons with certain resistances and breath attacks (except the Bone Dragon), Archangels with secondary role as a free Resurrection casters, Devils with No Retaliation attacks/summoning abilities, slow walkers with dangerous specials like the Bahemoth, the Hydra, the Cyclop (though as I mentioned, I didn't quite like their movement rate - I prefer fast and agile creatures), etc. This is not to say that they can't make the Pit Fiend/Lord a decent melee/caster top tier creature, but they definately shouldn't copy-paste the Heroes V version, which needed to be babysitted way too much. And I don't think that a top tier support creature (the spell-caster is always at least predominantly support) suits Inferno's offensive behaviour.
But, as usual, let's wait and see.
By the way - any chance to have the Devils back as summoned creatures/bosses?

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MrDragon
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posted November 03, 2010 09:14 AM
Edited by MrDragon at 09:18, 03 Nov 2010.

I went quite into detail about the abilities of said champions.
And in my opinion, those rare few that did have something interesting to do on their turn besides wade into melee, did it maybe once per battle or only in rare situations.
The beef I have with them is that they did not play any different from each other, they felt rather interchangeable.
Cyclopses being my favorite Tier 7 for actually giving me multiple viable choices every turn.
I did specifically mention Angels and Devils, and whilst I enjoyed them aesthetically, I found them strategically rather lacking.

Obviously they cannot "copy paste" the Pit Fiend, because with the initiative system out of the picture so is the "balance" in the stats it provided.
That said, I'm fine with them being slow moving, as long as they get enough magical and physical strength to compensate.
Also, remember that creatures aren't out there alone, they have allies on the field of battle and a hero leading them, said hero might have skills, artifacts, spells or other qualities to optimize his army.

To word it better maybe: I hope they stick specifically to the hybrid melee/caster concept, the other details such as speed are not as important to me, as long as I can make em work.

Edit: also I cannot imagine them leaving out Devils in some form or another when it's clear there are still angels present.
I mean the main storyline is about this angel person.

Edit: I'd like to see Devils as heroes actually, give them more character, let them be fewer in number with more personality, including maybe some female devils! (OMFG I WENT THERE!)

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted November 03, 2010 09:40 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Ur-Haazheel, Demon Overlord of Hate and Ur-Traggal, Demon Overlord of Pain as mentioned in the unit descriptions are devils. This is not a hint btw.
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Minion
Minion


Legendary Hero
posted November 03, 2010 09:49 AM

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Edit: also I cannot imagine them leaving out Devils in some form or another when it's clear there are still angels present.
I mean the main storyline is about this angel person.


Presense of angels doesn't imply devils imho because the faceless are the main enemy of angels in Ashan. Devils were just tier 7 of inferno in H5, they didn't play a role in the storyline iirc. But it would be cool to see them, as bosses or something ^^
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Aosaw
Aosaw


Promising
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Author of Nonreal Fiction
posted November 03, 2010 09:58 AM

I wouldn't count your chickens too soon; until we actually see some concept art for the angel and archangel, I'm reserving judgment on that.

Angels could easily be a boss creature, or a neutral, or - hell - even simply a character that exists behind-the-scenes.

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Danny
Danny


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posted November 03, 2010 09:59 AM
Edited by Danny at 10:01, 03 Nov 2010.

H6 producer said that Angels are in the Haven lineup in like his first interview about the project.

[Erwan] In terms of factions and creature line-ups, Heroes VI is again a mix of familiarity and innovation. For instance, Haven is still here, with its crossbowmen, its knights of the Holy Light and its Angels, but also with new creatures, unseen in a previous Heroes game.

http://meodia.com/news/1438/might-magic-heroes-vi-q-a/

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MrDragon
MrDragon


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Eats people with Ketchup
posted November 03, 2010 10:20 AM

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Presense of angels doesn't imply devils imho because the faceless are the main enemy of angels in Ashan. Devils were just tier 7 of inferno in H5, they didn't play a role in the storyline iirc. But it would be cool to see them, as bosses or something ^^

True, Angels and Devils are not related in Ashan.
But yeah, Devils will likely be popping up in some form anyway.

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blizz
blizz


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of temper grace
posted November 03, 2010 11:22 AM

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[Erwan] In terms of factions and creature line-ups, Heroes VI is again a mix of familiarity and innovation. For instance, Haven is still here, with its crossbowmen, its knights of the Holy Light and its Angels, but also with new creatures, unseen in a previous Heroes game.


I really wonder what new heaven creatures are that? Up to now we havent seen anything new from haven or did we?
I exspect paladins to be one of the elite units as they are seen on artwork, but what about the rest?

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Danny
Danny


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posted November 03, 2010 12:11 PM

Quote:
Quote:

[Erwan] In terms of factions and creature line-ups, Heroes VI is again a mix of familiarity and innovation. For instance, Haven is still here, with its crossbowmen, its knights of the Holy Light and its Angels, but also with new creatures, unseen in a previous Heroes game.


I really wonder what new heaven creatures are that? Up to now we havent seen anything new from haven or did we?
I exspect paladins to be one of the elite units as they are seen on artwork, but what about the rest?


Sentinel/Praetorian is new. I think he also mentioned monks in one of the interviews, so it's the paladins getting revamped and that spirit thing from the artwork that's gonna be new for Haven.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted November 03, 2010 12:25 PM

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Sentinel/Praetorian is new. I think he also mentioned monks in one of the interviews, so it's the paladins getting revamped and that spirit thing from the artwork that's gonna be new for Haven.

I'd say the Sentinel/Preatorian is just the Pikeman returning from HoMM1,2,3.
And I doubt the Spirit thing is a unit, my bet is it's a magical effect of some sort, maybe the Guardian Angel ability.

I think we might see a new mythical creature join the faction line up, so that it's not just the gryphon, angel and a bunch of humans.

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