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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (22) 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ]
blizz
blizz


Known Hero
of temper grace
posted November 04, 2010 04:50 PM

Dragon bosess? But i dont want to kill dragons . Imo they should keep dragons in towns . Hope they come up with damn good replcements!!!

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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted November 04, 2010 04:54 PM

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Dragon bosess? But i dont want to kill dragons . Imo they should keep dragons in towns . Hope they come up with damn good replcements!!!

I'm glad they got rid of all the useless dragons. It was getting boring to have gold, green, pink, blue and rainbow dragons everywhere. Though I'm not fond of removing the black dragon as a "playable" dragon.

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blizz
blizz


Known Hero
of temper grace
posted November 04, 2010 05:03 PM

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Dragon bosess? But i dont want to kill dragons . Imo they should keep dragons in towns . Hope they come up with damn good replcements!!!

I'm glad they got rid of all the useless dragons. It was getting boring to have gold, green, pink, blue and rainbow dragons everywhere. Though I'm not fond of removing the black dragon as a "playable" dragon.

Too bad for you because it seems they are making dragons even more important and more flashy . (as bosess)

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted November 04, 2010 05:31 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 18:33, 04 Nov 2010.

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Keep in mind, they'll do it with balance in mind, presuming they aren't complete idiots they'll not be horribly off target the first round and can patch where required.
They already announced that there are plans for a Beta, and presuming they get some reasonable feedback there is plenty of time for it to get buffed or nerfed further.
Heroes V had not-so-short beta test and was supposed to have the balance in mind all the time, but still there were so many things that could be labeled 'imb' even several patches and two expansions later that the overal quality of the balance wasn't much better than the situation in HoMM III. I prefer not to hope blindly but to calculate the possibilities. With statements like "destruction magic was too powerful" I am far more inclined to think that they have no idea what they are talking about and thus will create a mess, than to optimistically expect that they are smarter than everybody just because they are designing the game and thus their wisdom is always unerring. And I certainly don't want screamingly imbalanced factions in the initial release, like in Heroes V. Some flaws are unavoidable, but having Klaus-like heroes or Necromancy-like abilities as we know them from the initial version of HoMM V is inexcusable.
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Finally approaching it directly from the standpoint of HV or HIII is probably a bad idea, it is a brand new game, even if it's a sequel, the core balance will be different.
It's not a new patch, it's a new sequel.
This doesn't count as an argument. Even Elvin mentioned that "they have every reason to make this change". The changes are made in comparison with the previous games, so these previous games are the base. You don't make the destructive spells weaker generally - because this doesn't mean anything - you make them weaker compared to the same spells in the previous games. What I'm arguing about is that these spells weren't very powerful when used by non-Warlock hero (and even with the Warlock they were pretty much the only serious weapon in Dungeon's arsenal, but even it was not a game breaker, on the contrary), so reducing their efficiency even more is... well, BAD, to say the least. This can be compensated only by adding several layers of effect to each destructive spell to make up for the weakened primary effect. Like fire spells having significant "burning" damage several rounds after the initial casting + something like temporary attack/defense reduction or a chance to lower the morale of the "burned" creatures for 1-2 turns.
As for the bosses - I'd vote for at least one type of boss per faction, with a few "neutral" bosses as well. This could mean not only super-dragons, but also super-demons, super-angels, super-hydras and so on.

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted November 04, 2010 05:44 PM

I'm glad to see they've got rid of the dragons from the towns, I don't mind if they're bosses now, I'm just glad I'm not going to see them every other battle because some crusty developer can't be stuffed trying to come up with something better.

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emilsn
emilsn


Legendary Hero
posted November 04, 2010 06:25 PM

OMG - have you seen those demons THEY ARE PURE EVIL !!
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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted November 04, 2010 09:04 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 21:09, 04 Nov 2010.

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Heroes V had not-so-short beta test and was supposed to have the balance *snip*

What I was trying to say wasn't. "OMFG BLACKHOLE IS AMAZING"
I was trying to say: "Lets presume they aren't idiots."
I already said I am also a little worried about reducing the power of damaging magic.

Whilst so far, I am rather enthusiastic with most of their decisions, there is plenty of room for things to backfire, I mean stuff in HoMMIV might have also looked good on paper at the time.
I'm not telling you to love them, I'm asking you to give them a chance.
If they really are planning on changing the pacing of combat (pacing =/= speed) then judging the change to the power of magic at this stage will be extremely difficult.

As for calculating based on data from previous games:
They are changing a lot of core systems from the previous title, calculating with data this incomplete has little merit, even if interesting, drawing conclusions from that though is an outright bad idea.
Finally: Changes being made, especially in this number, mean it's more then just a patch, it's a sequel, a new game BASED on the old stuff, but a new game nonetheless.

As for the bosses, we're seeing eye to eye, I don't want to see just dragons, but I don't think we will see just dragons.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted November 04, 2010 10:01 PM

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OMG - have you seen those demons THEY ARE PURE EVIL !!


War-overlord agrees with this message.
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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted November 04, 2010 10:02 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 22:06, 04 Nov 2010.

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What I was trying to say wasn't. "OMFG BLACKHOLE IS AMAZING"
I was trying to say: "Lets presume they aren't idiots."

Believe me, I'm still playing the "let's wait and see" game, but I can't react to every new bit of info with philosophical indifference (even though I like the philosophy). I dig some of the innovations too, but every new burst of news gets me more and more worried about the general direction. For now, I intend to wait for something substantial, like a demo video, before I decide whether I lean toward or . Until then, I will stick to the policy of using the previos games as a fundamental explanation for the existance of this one and make the respective comparisons accordingly - MMH:VI does not come from the void and references to the previous games seem completely relevant to me.
Good night now.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted November 04, 2010 10:10 PM

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MMH:VI does not come from the void and references to the previous games seem completely relevant to me.
Good night now.

What I'm saying is half of this more or less, it's a sequel, a new game based on the old ones, but all the numbers are different, everything is balanced differently, whilst the core systems are the same or similar, all the elements flowing through them are alien.

But that's not important, what is important is that to me, you seemed much more negative about the situation then you actually are, so that's my fault.
Good night!

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kraken
kraken


Famous Hero
I just love being elemental
posted November 05, 2010 10:33 AM

Angels are now Seraphs

Seraph

Celestial
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Xerox
Xerox


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted November 05, 2010 11:22 AM

Nice, Celestial was my suggested name for the "Divine Spirit" creature seen in the artwork. But I do not like the name. I understand they want to have original names but it is just silly to not call Angels Angels.

They also look far too much like the H5 Angels, I had hoped for something more ethereal and divine.

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Radar
Radar


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Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
posted November 05, 2010 12:23 PM

Double wielding Angels was certanily not something I'd suspect. Not a bad idea though.
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Ebonite
Ebonite


Adventuring Hero
posted November 05, 2010 01:02 PM
Edited by Ebonite at 13:04, 05 Nov 2010.

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Nice, Celestial was my suggested name for the "Divine Spirit" creature seen in the artwork. But I do not like the name. I understand they want to have original names but it is just silly to not call Angels Angels.

They also look far too much like the H5 Angels, I had hoped for something more ethereal and divine.


The seraph will be different to angles (read description below)

If theses seraph are havens teir 7 unit then the angles will become bosses. hopefully then they will come up with and more "ethereal and divine look".
Seraph


Physically imposing and striking in their perfection, the Angels of the Light are Elrath's messengers and shock troops on the face of Ashan. They are taller than normal humans, far more beautiful, and project an aura of power and confidence. Seraphim, on the other hand, are smaller and more human-like in their appearance. They started to appear after the creation of the Falcon Empire. Their true origins remain a mystery, but their devotion to Elrath is total. In battle they wield the twin blades of Judgment and Mercy

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mytheroes
mytheroes


Famous Hero
posted November 05, 2010 01:05 PM

Probably the Archangel General will be the final boss of the campaign.
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admira
admira


Promising
Famous Hero
posted November 05, 2010 02:46 PM

Now, I am confused. First about the Tiers. It should be Core, Elite and Champion shares the same pool and ultimately similar stats with the diminishing of creature level. But reading the news from Igromir, it seems they talked a lot about the old 7 Levels. Can someone clarify this? and btw, while the celestial looks awesome but too similar with the un-upgraded version Seraph. Just like Seraph with different color but I can live with one.

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ArchWarl0ck
ArchWarl0ck


Adventuring Hero
bird is the word
posted November 05, 2010 02:55 PM

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But reading the news from Igromir, it seems they talked a lot about the old 7 Levels.

Is was probably easier to discuss it this way, simply because it's still a bit of a new thing.
Or the post author just made a mistake, seeng as the numbers of creatures differ.
But still, the core\elite\champ system is not going anywhere.
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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted November 05, 2010 03:04 PM

ArchWarl0ck: Would it be possible to ask on the Russian forum whether the 4th faction reveal is completely out of question during this event? Thanks!

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ArchWarl0ck
ArchWarl0ck


Adventuring Hero
bird is the word
posted November 05, 2010 03:16 PM
Edited by archwarl0ck at 15:19, 05 Nov 2010.

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ArchWarl0ck: Would it be possible to ask on the Russian forum whether the 4th faction reveal is completely out of question during this event? Thanks!

Akuri actually wrote that they are going to that in december, but I somehow don't belive in that.
I'll ask a confirmation from other members of the forum group as soon as the forum goes out from a strange crash (that's also why I can't link to a post about december ).

I do hope they reveal it earlier. Mid-november at least.

Also, LaBoule form Heroic Corner has some video footage, he'll edit them soon, so me or Red Flag will probably repost them for you guys.
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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted November 05, 2010 03:35 PM

Thanks for the info. That's weird, not sure why they have to delay these stuff. Unless there's another event in December like this? And surely everyone will be like "oh it took them 4 months to reveal Academy? " (unless we're still in for a surprise).

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