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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted March 04, 2011 11:30 PM

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A few days ago hahakocka said that he read that in a Hungarian magazine if I remember right. It should be in one of his post a few pages back. Well, many pages back by now.
It still depends how current this information is but I agree that it becomes more worrisome in this case.
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It may not be the ideal step forward, but they're simplifying that aspect of gameplay, streamlining it.
The town screens have almost nothing to do with the gameplay, they are 90% aesthetics and 10% functionality. The only reason to simplify them is to save resources. And so far they seem to save waaaay to many resources. Maybe the next Heroes instalment will look like this?

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Jabanoss
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posted March 04, 2011 11:33 PM

@Zenofex
Yeah except for the fact that the graphic in Heroes 6 is top notch.
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Dexter
Dexter


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posted March 04, 2011 11:35 PM

@Jabanoss: Not really. The graphics is nice, but not too thrilling for a 2011 game.

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Zenofex
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posted March 04, 2011 11:39 PM

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@Zenofex
Yeah except for the fact that the graphic in Heroes 6 is top notch.
I'm talking strictly about the towns. Up there you can see how Sylvan (upper left), Inferno (upper right), Haven (lower right) and Stronghold (lower left) will look like if they decide that the towns are "just a feature" and don't need so many details.

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Jabanoss
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posted March 04, 2011 11:40 PM
Edited by Jabanoss at 23:43, 04 Mar 2011.

@Dexter
Are you kidding me? Heroes 6 is going to beat Crysis 2 so severely, that poor Crytek is going to have to hide for a millennium.

Yeah, yeah that might have been an exaggeration, but compared to H5, H6 is Goddamn Crysis compared to MineCraft...

@Zenofex
You might be right, but MrDragon below hold some interesting theories...
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MrDragon
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posted March 04, 2011 11:41 PM

My count on structures WE KNOW ABOUT.

At least 3 Dwellings, but I'm going to bet 7 with upgrades as normal.
Just because they share pools doesn't mean they share internal dwellings.

Town Hall
Fort

2 out of 4 unique structures.
Town portal structure (which is NOT a unique structure as presumably all towns have it, that it takes up one of the two slots is pure speculation.)
Halls of Judgement
Tavern

that's 10 so far, 14 if my dwelling prediction is correct and then we're still not counting upgrades, which presumably boost it up to around 25 purchases. (unless it is 3 dwellings which drops it down to 17.)

Now that is still not exactly enough to satisfy me I think, but it's not the end of the world either.

And that is presuming there aren't other structures in towns we don't know about.
Market Place might still be there for when you're desperate for some resource you're lacking and have plenty of one of the other three.
Boosting the numbers to: 11, 15, 18, 26.

I think a more realistic idea to have 10 structures not including upgrades or the other two faction uniques, as worst case scenario, I honestly can't imagine the towns containing less things to build then that.

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Zenofex
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posted March 04, 2011 11:51 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 23:54, 04 Mar 2011.

I think Elvin mentioned somewhere that each creature will have its own dwelling, yes. But the marketplace may be out of the picture (I think I read this somewhere too). In any case, we are talking about the town screens. If they are actually town windows, this will mean that they are nothing more than placeholders, an admitted but not fully corrected mistake - that some moron who considers Heroes to be only a milch cow decided to scrap them at one point but later was advised by someone else that this will lead not only to a fan outrage but also to lower sales...

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Cepheus
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posted March 05, 2011 12:57 AM

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I think the problem is that no one (Ubi, BH, or the insiders) are coming out to dispel the rumors, so until that happens people believe that's what we are going to get.


At the moment the rumours are correct; there is a town window, and the town window will likely remain in the finished game as far as I can predict. There'll still be atmospheric, animated graphics and town themes (superior to H5's). The only difference is resolution. Personally I would prefer the town screens to hog the entire monitor as in the previous games, but the windows do make for faster play, theoretically. Only time (and playtesting) will tell which is the better solution.
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Valen-Teen
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posted March 05, 2011 01:05 AM

Ok. If it is for faster game I say that's ok =)
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Willis
Willis


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posted March 05, 2011 01:07 AM
Edited by Willis at 01:18, 05 Mar 2011.

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There's no use hyperventilating over things we know very little about. It is months before release, and they need to space out their announcements to maintain interest in the game.
Wow, you make it sound like they have told us so much about it that we are already fed up with information.


That's not what I said at all.

edit: In fact, that's almost the opposite of what I said.

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maken
maken


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posted March 05, 2011 02:18 AM

I'm about to join the "You're changing it too much" boat. Or at least the "You're changing something sacred that I like" one.

Because at this year of two thousand and eleven of our time, with computers with video cards and multiple cores, loading some 2d animations does not take long. Period.

And take your multiplayer and put some simple interface option, maybe like the one we had in heroes 5, but truly useful. There, problem solved.

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xerox
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posted March 05, 2011 02:51 AM

omfg cant believe this is true

how long did it take for people to load the H5 screens? 5 seconds MAX I'd say!

And now they have DOWNGRADED to 2D WINDOW screens, so the town atmopshere will be completly destroyed because we cant get full views of our beautiful towns.

It took ONE SECOND to enter H4 2D towns. It took 2-5 in H5.

And their reason, their reason for destroying towns are TO SAVE TIME?

How much time?

They will save half a second on this! Its a ridiculous reason!

People dont care with saving half a second. I think people would much rather have complete towns.

The town and building element has always been essential to the Heroes series. I love most, most of the new stuff in H6, but this is way to much.

With this reason they could do the following aswell:

1. Remove upgrades because people just upgrade creatures ASAP anyway.

2. Remove towns and replace them with forts that sell creatures.

3. Make the map 2D again.

4. Remove all neutral creatures.

5. Only have one playable faction that fights against the AI.

HUNDREDS of other things could have been made if they want to save time in multiplayer, even tough NOBODY plays HoMM e-sport. The closest is the duels.

Yes, I need to get some sleep.

But this, together with suspicions that the Light and Water elemental look the same as the Glory and Spring spirit makes me super angry. Now I just want to QQ - but its probably best if I sleep...

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SkySlam
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posted March 05, 2011 03:06 AM

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At the moment the rumours are correct; there is a town window, and the town window will likely remain in the finished game as far as I can predict.


HORRIBLE NEWS! And sorry for the shouting, but it is my genuine reaction.
Town windows can't even be considered "towns".
There is no way towns can be atmospheric if they appear IN A WINDOW!?
What are they thinking?

Ubihole, take 1 extra month if needed, but please draw some 2D town screens at least!
I'm not a fan of 3D screens either, but that doesn't mean that I want to see my town in 300x300 pixels!
Unbelievable... is there a pool or something where we can express our disappointment?

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Jabanoss
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posted March 05, 2011 03:19 AM

What is this?
It sounds as if you guys are going to spend 99% of your time looking at the 3d towns. But alas now you cannot and you'll have to get used to spend your entire time actually playing this awesome game...

Sorry I just had to say it.
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shooshima
shooshima


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posted March 05, 2011 03:37 AM

what di you mean cepheus, do you mean it is superior to heroes 5 town screen's via visuals or superior via speeding up game play?
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Aosaw
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posted March 05, 2011 04:42 AM
Edited by Aosaw at 04:42, 05 Mar 2011.

Probably both, although I think he was referring to visuals and music overall.

And actually, I don't see why they couldn't make it an option in settings.  That might be a good way to appeal to all fronts - those who want the higher-resolution town screen that might require a slightly longer load time can have that, and those who want the gameplay to go a bit faster can choose to have their town screen relegated to a window.

Because you can't deny it:  when you switch from windowed-mode to full-screen mode in anything, it takes a few seconds.  Those few seconds, when you're in the midst of a long game, can add up to a long time spent not playing the game, but waiting to play the game.

But really?  This was never really a point of contention.  We discussed the Town Window about three months ago, when we first heard that it might be a possibility.  We all complained about it for a week or so, and then either forgot about it or got over it.  I'm a little bit shocked that people are behaving now as if this were suddenly news.

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LongDarkBlues
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posted March 05, 2011 05:07 AM
Edited by LongDarkBlues at 05:09, 05 Mar 2011.

I find 2D town screen to be a huge improvement over H5's pretty-but-useless town. Also, the screen showed was already higher-resolution than the H3 towns. It's going to be fine, people, settle down.
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soul_blighter
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posted March 05, 2011 05:34 AM
Edited by soul_blighter at 05:36, 05 Mar 2011.

i think it would b best for all concerned...(both for and against windowed townscreens) if we got a few screenshots of the actual townscreens. i'v been waiting for that for ages. i dont think holding back townscreens from releasing is going to get ubihole a gold medal for raising game interest...rather releasing a few might actually clarify a lot of things and quell this rage against the windowed screenies.

just my opinion tho.

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KingImp
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posted March 05, 2011 06:35 AM

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i think it would b best for all concerned...(both for and against windowed townscreens) if we got a few screenshots of the actual townscreens. i'v been waiting for that for ages. i dont think holding back townscreens from releasing is going to get ubihole a gold medal for raising game interest...rather releasing a few might actually clarify a lot of things and quell this rage against the windowed screenies.

just my opinion tho.


If it's a worthless town window, then they are probably not showing it on purpose because they know the backlash they will receive.

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Dark-Whisperer
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posted March 05, 2011 08:15 AM
Edited by Dark-Whisperer at 08:21, 05 Mar 2011.

I just have to say something about all this town windows c.r.a.p. (TM)

If only purpose of those windows is to speed up game and save resources they made huge mistake.
Did ANYONE, EVER complained that town screens slow down game to a point that they are not needed. They are taking away one of essential features of the game for speed.

SPEED in TBS!!!??? Its not that essential! Especially if we are talking about 1-3 sec per turn.

Its not that important if you loose few seconds in town screen when battles and creeping take most of the turn time. No town screens will stop people from scrutinising adventure map or playing carefully during battles.

This is just poor excuse for their miss judgement at the first place. They somehow thought that Heroes don't need town screens at all. So when they found out that was a mistake, idea of town window appeared. Not to save our resources but theirs because time has run out for developing decent town screens. This abomination of idea was born out of despair.

Explanation about computer resources and saving time is just insult to our intelligence.

No screenshots about this idiotic feature can only mean two things:
1. They don't want to show us c.r.a.p. (TM) window until last moment because it will trigger avalanche of ranting
2. c.r.a.p. (TM) windows are still not finished and this half done "feature" will be rushed and implemented in whatever sorry state it is to meet the deadline.

We wanted better immersion and functionality. They are giving us nothing. So much for fan input.

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