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Aosaw
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posted November 05, 2010 04:52 PM

Well, I guess I won't be playing as Haven.

Why do they feel the need to make angels look so silly?  And why on EARTH would anyone wield a sword like that - much less TWO?


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Cepheus
Cepheus


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posted November 05, 2010 05:38 PM

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Nice, Celestial was my suggested name for the "Divine Spirit" creature seen in the artwork. But I do not like the name. I understand they want to have original names but it is just silly to not call Angels Angels.


Well... not quite, in context. If you take into account the fact that Angels in Ashan are a full-fledged race like all the rest, it makes sense to give them a "title" instead. Otherwise there'd be no reason not to name creatures in the vein of Human Sentinel, or Elven Archer, or Genie Caliph, or Demon Tormentor, or Orc Slayer, or {Insert Race} {Insert Profession}.

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I believe they mentioned doing something on the 15th.
That MIGHT be it.


If you're referring to what I said, no, it isn't a faction reveal we're planning or anything huge like that.
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Cepheus
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posted November 05, 2010 05:49 PM

I don't work for Ubisoft, I have no direct control over faction reveals at all.
I just mentioned there would be some news for you around 15 November, and wanted to iterate that it isn't a new faction or anything big.
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Cepheus
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posted November 05, 2010 07:25 PM

Now would be a fine time to discuss any creature names you don't like, make proposed changes or whatnot, I dunno... just saying
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don_komandorr
don_komandorr


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posted November 05, 2010 07:38 PM

It's stupid, that Seraph is weaker than angel, according the description. But in order of Angel ranks Seraph is the highest rank for angel. Of course it's another world, but situation is the same as a creature with a spear is named "swordsmen" instead of "pikeman".

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Danny
Danny


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posted November 05, 2010 07:51 PM

Well I'd agree that Cerberus should be switched to Orthos and I'd prefer Banshee instead of the Ghost/Spectre thing. Other than that, I don't think they should change any of the names, definitely not the angel units' names, those are refreshing, also the Sentinel/Praetorian is good too.

Hope you guys can also influence on them making the 4th faction reveal sooner than later.

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MrDragon
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posted November 05, 2010 07:55 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 19:58, 05 Nov 2010.

Bone Guard -> Vile Skirmisher or Skeletal Soldier or Bone Fiend
ArchLich -> Ancient Lich or Lich Lord or Vile Lich
Grave Ghoul -> Ghast
Vampire Lord -> Vampire Count

"Spider Lady"
Dread Weaver
Death Weaver

Priestess of Anansi (cookie for the reference)
Bride of Anansi

Vassal of Asha (alternatively, remove "of" then swap words, add "'s" where needed)
Aspect of Asha
Scion of Asha

Scion of Death
Aspect of Death

Black Widow
Dark Widow

Spider Witch
Spider Queen

"Make up a word" (Just give it a name which isn't a title, like how a Chimera is called a Chimera.)


Imperial Griffon -> War Gryphon or Battle Gryphon or Mighty Gryphon.
Hell Hound -> Orthus (provided the upgrade still has 3 heads, otherwise call that Orthus instead if it has 2.)

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zamfir
zamfir


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Allez allez allez
posted November 05, 2010 08:03 PM

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Priestess of Anansi (cookie for the reference)



Neil Gaiman.
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War-overlord
War-overlord


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posted November 05, 2010 08:03 PM

As I have said before, Excruciator sounds realy wrong. I'm not expert but is sounds linguistically wrong on several levels. Turning the adjective "Excruciating" into a name/title?(That's one of those levels)

Grave Ghoul sounds unimaginative. I can live with it, but it could be better. Wendigo might be fitting, given it's mythic origin.

Still we haven't heard all the names yet, so there aren't many to be wrong. And they have taken a rather safe route, given names.
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Danny
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posted November 05, 2010 08:06 PM

From those names for the Necropolis Champion you suggested, I guess I'd prefer the "of Asha" ones the most. Definitely NO for the spider queen/witch/dark/black widow stuff! BTW, is Namtaru the preliminary name of the unit or it's the name of one exact spider unit? I'd be fine with that too, alongside the Lamassu (if these are considered).

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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted November 05, 2010 08:06 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 20:14, 05 Nov 2010.

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Quote:
Priestess of Anansi (cookie for the reference)



Neil Gaiman.


Looked it up, guess it's a legal reference, but I was referring to the mythical spider Anansi from African folklore.

As for the Necro Champion names, I was just throwing crap out there, I put them in the order of quality I'd say, with the suckier ones near the bottom.
More to spark ideas then to give strong suggestions.

Excruciator might be better off as "Vile Tormentor" it rolls off the tongue nicely and fits their image, though I'd like to shy away from prefixes or suffixes where possible.

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War-overlord
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posted November 05, 2010 08:17 PM

What's all the problems you guys have with Bone Guard?
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Zenofex
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posted November 05, 2010 08:23 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 20:34, 05 Nov 2010.

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What's all the problems you guys have with Bone Guard?
It's incredibly stupid?
As for Seraph, Cerberus and so on - Ubihole are showing hardcore mythological ignorance and someone should finally point them to the right books or at least web-sites. And no, "this is not the real world's mythology" just doesn't count.

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War-overlord
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posted November 05, 2010 08:37 PM

[quoteIt's incredibly stupid?
As for Seraph, Cerberus and so on - Ubihole are showing hardcore mythological ignorance and someone should point them to the right books or at least web-sites. And no, "this is not the real world's mythology" just doesn't count.


The mythological thing, I can get into, sort of.
But what is stupid about Bone Guard? And provide arguments.

Also there is no definitive book/version on mythology, as inconsistent and the scientifical interpretations vary widely. They may be consulting a scource you have no know of. Point to the "mythological ignorance" you speak of, if you would.

Lastly, even though I know you will disregard it completly, it is their continuity and they can do whatever the hell they like with it.
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted November 05, 2010 08:39 PM

Heroes was never known for it's mythological accuracy anyway.
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MrDragon
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posted November 05, 2010 08:46 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 21:26, 05 Nov 2010.

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But what is stupid about Bone Guard? And provide arguments.

In my opinion, it's not so much stupid as it is "slightly misleading".
The word "Guard" evokes the feeling of a defending unit, somebody tough and resilient, not a skirmishing javelineer.

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Also there is no definitive book/version on mythology, as inconsistent and the scientific interpretations vary widely. They may be consulting a scource you have don't know of. Point to the "mythological ignorance" you speak of, if you would.

Lastly, even though I know you will disregard it completely, it is their continuity and they can do whatever the hell they like with it.

They certainly are entitled to, but again, why settle for a less accurate name when you can have one that portrays the unit better.
For example: it is widely known, accepted and recorded, that Hades' guard dog, Cerberus had three heads whilst his brother Orthus had two.
However, the name Hellhound bears no such marker and they are free to use that however they wish.

To be honest, I'm fine if they ship with these names, but they could do with improvement, and if we can influence this, then I will try my best and ripid-fire names out until I find a quality name that at least some people can agree on.

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Zenofex
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posted November 05, 2010 09:23 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 21:26, 05 Nov 2010.

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Lastly, even though I know you will disregard it completly, it is their continuity and they can do whatever the hell they like with it.
Granted, I disregard it completely.
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But what is stupid about Bone Guard? And provide arguments.
As it was already pointed, "guard" gives the impression that the unit has defensive behavior and is not the skirmisher that it actually is. Second - the guard units in the real world are/were normally elite, not some cannon-fodder, low-class, sometimes-regular-sometimes-irregular infantry. Third - Bone Guard is exactly as creative as Skeletal Guard, Undead Guard, Animated Guard, Put-together-by-a-not-really-sane-magician-corpse Guard, It-does-not-have-to-sound-well Guard and so on. Or Bone Warrior, Bone Soldier, Bone Skirmisher, Bone Combatant, Billy Bones, etc. In short - lame, uninspired (except maybe Billy Bones).
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Also there is no definitive book/version on mythology, as inconsistent and the scientifical interpretations vary widely. They may be consulting a scource you have no know of.
I strongly doubt that they are consulting whatever sources, let alone something I don't know of - I happen to be interested in mythology. This doesn't mean that I know everything - of course not - but I think I know enough to spot the obvious folly. Naming a two-headed dog Cerberus is dumb, even though Cerberus has been incorrectly used all the time as a breed of dogs where it is just a single unique dog. Placing the Seraphim below the simplest Angels is dumb as well. Making the Lich(e) look so alive when it should be at least rotting is inaccurate too, but let's call it innovative - in any case the current Lich looks more like Koschei, who is not exactly a lich. The vampires are irrelevant, the can do whatever they want with them as there are too many conceptions of a "vampire". And so on.
Good enough for you?

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Elvin
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posted November 05, 2010 11:55 PM

For those who haven't start downloading spamm's video from the news thread Some interesting things there.
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admira
admira


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posted November 06, 2010 05:38 AM

my impression on the video:
1. The full animated town screen (necropolis) look gorgeous despite the video quality although I expected bigger town screen.
2. Spectre has special ability to animate dead or bring back fallen undead unit?
3. The 3D unit screen looks well done, you can 3D-rotate and the detail looks great despite the video quality.
4. Vampires "stylish" unnecessary attack animation (e.g: throwing his sword to air, jump, take the sword and slash upon landing) god, curse me for saying this but I love it so much.
5. Seems the creatures have so many traits now. I have difficulty to describe them one by one due to the video quality, but everything looks interesting to me.
6. Spectre transparent effect looks great as well.
7. You can load game in combat

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mytheroes
mytheroes


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posted November 06, 2010 05:39 AM
Edited by mytheroes at 06:15, 06 Nov 2010.

From the video:
-Not just one attack animation (in one attack the vampire throws the sword upward then jump and grab it and slash with it, in other attack he simply swing the sword in a circle)
-A spell that guards the unit from ranged attack
-Raise dead button is on the center of the command wheel and have a circular bar around it that fills up when units die.
-Skeleton throws 2 spear consecutively in one attack (not sure if this is purely cosmetic or ability like hunter/master hunter), have 10% resistance against physical ranged attack (Hollow Bones), ability called Webbing Spears (something about creating 3x3 zone to slow movement, the zone disappear immediately but the debuff last for 2/3 turns), Emotionless (no morale), Undead (immune to poison spell, water spell, not sure what is the third spell), Allegiance to Asha (not sure about this)
-Ghoul have Dead Flesh (more resistant to physical damage), Rage against the living (+30% damage and +1 movement when attacking living targets), and of course emotionless, undead, AtA
-You can rotate unit model now
-Vampire have Vampiric Embrace (drain +10% damage), Out of Time (when the vampire choose to defend, the new attack targeting it will automatically fail), teleports
-All undead are vulnerable to light magic
-Tactical phase is the same as HOMMV
-Svetlana is a Level 30 Embalmer in the demo
-Svetlana seems to have a few default artifacts/equipments (seems can't be unequipped) that levels up from lvl 1-10 granting additional bonus, not sure if all heroes have this
-Ghost have Incorporeal (move through obstacles, physical damage reduce by 35% I think),Death Seal (In addition to taking shadow damage, the target is flagged with 50% resurrection healing efficiency debuff for 3 turns), seems to be able to heal/resurrect friendly undead too
-Lich has no range penalty, seems to lost the Death Cloud ability (edit: the attack animation seems to spews off some dark energy after it hits the target so I'm not sure because the enemy didn't form cluster of units through out the demo), can seemingly drain life(?) from friendly undead not sure what it does though, edit: ok, it seems the lich drains energy from enemy he destroyed automatically and then can transfer it to his allies (activated) only in the demo the lich hasn't killed any enemy yet so nothing happens lol
-Some spells: Decay, Weakness, Quicksand, Despair, Curse of the Netherworld, Slow, Purge
-Spells now have shortcut at the bottom part for easy access
-As a side note, Svetlana max mana reach 620
-Griffin Battle Dive seems to be able to track it's target now

The Allegiance to Asha seems to simply mean undead units can't be controlled by the enemy or something like that.

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