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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 (305) 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ]
Wckey
Wckey


Famous Hero
posted April 13, 2011 05:28 PM

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Does anyone know a good way to learn Chineese language through internet ? If possible from french to chineese.  I want fresh heroes 6 news  

When you finally understand chinese, it will only be usefull for Heroes 8
I don't think you will find something that isn't english-chinese. However I don't know if you have patience to learn over 2000 characters
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Willis
Willis


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posted April 13, 2011 05:43 PM

Speaking of Chinese, I just read something about skeletons in this article.
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Five of the skeletons after the upgrade has the advantage of distance and quantity, and with the Necromancer spiritualism can accumulate a large number of troops in a short time,


That said, this is through Google translate, but it gives some indication that raising tons of troops for the long term may still be possible.

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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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posted April 13, 2011 05:46 PM
Edited by The_Polyglot at 18:20, 13 Apr 2011.

I don't understand. What "Chinese news" are You talking about?

Edit: My lack of typing skills shows once again. I was busy typing this, when a fellow poster's action made my question moot. Thus, I would replace it with a more pressing one: Since when does Ubihole  communicate mainly in Chinese? Did we reach the Age of Space Cowboys already?

Edit nr. 2.: Thanks, Wckey!

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Wckey
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posted April 13, 2011 06:08 PM

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I don't understand. What "Chinese news" are You talking about?


http://h6.ubisoft.com.cn/news/view/2011-04-11-1
http://h6.ubisoft.com.cn/news/view/2011-04-12-1
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vitorsly
vitorsly


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Joker!
posted April 13, 2011 07:13 PM

Fighting Michael in a catwalk?
(thinks about zyngas dead old game fashion wars)
NO WAY! NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER AGAIN
When I have to fight him I want to fight him near a graveyard.
'Why?'
So I can dig a hole and put his lifeless body in there!
(sees heroes V angel bio and remembers that angels dont actualy die)
Well he is lucky
(tries to remember if necropolis could raise him)
Nival just created a paradox

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Zenofex
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posted April 13, 2011 07:24 PM

Michael deserves a proper burial as much as Paris Hilton deserves a Nobel Prize in physics. The moron should be painfully disembowelled, cut to pieces, burned and eaten by something big and ugly.

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DoubleDeck
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Look into my eyes...
posted April 13, 2011 08:31 PM

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Racial Ability : Necromancy
Any living or Undead falling on the battlefield feeds a special gauge. The player can use it to increase one of his own stacks. X% of the raised creatures remain after combat


You need creatures to die in order to use necromancy, hence using mid to end in battle.

At what stage would gating be "needed" to be used? I reckon beginning stage but maybe you fill the guage up quickly somehow....

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Kenishi
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posted April 14, 2011 04:54 AM
Edited by Kenishi at 05:04, 14 Apr 2011.

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Michael deserves a proper burial as much as Paris Hilton deserves a Nobel Prize in physics. The moron should be painfully disembowelled, cut to pieces, burned and eaten by something big and ugly.


Feed him to a Cyclops we already know what he does to butterflies
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admira
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posted April 14, 2011 05:12 AM

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Michael deserves a proper burial as much as Paris Hilton deserves a Nobel Prize in physics. The moron should be painfully disembowelled, cut to pieces, burned and eaten by something big and ugly.


Feed him to a Cyclops we already know what he does to butterflies


Or mother breeder or father bree.. I mean Inferno's catapult.

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DoubleDeck
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Look into my eyes...
posted April 14, 2011 05:47 AM

Lol father breeder being inferno catapult....

Makes me think about gating again.....wondering if each tier has ability to gate, or if gating is reserved for the breeders (mother and father!)

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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted April 14, 2011 07:06 AM

I just noticed an interesting thing about Ubisoft

They managed that a large number of enthusiastic players hates an in game character even thou, they don't have almost any information about who the character really is or what is its role in the story.
They did it only by their marketing strategy. Good work ubisoft! I did not seen such a move in my life!!
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Avirosb
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posted April 14, 2011 08:08 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 08:09, 14 Apr 2011.

So Michael is some kind of anti-villain, right? A well-intentioned extremist?
I wonder how well he'll perform compared to Grand Vizier Gavin Magnus.

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Jabanoss
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posted April 14, 2011 09:31 AM

Nice screen shot today.
Make me glad that they neglected the town-screens for awesome graphics.
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MrDragon
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posted April 14, 2011 10:09 AM

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Lol father breeder being inferno catapult....

Makes me think about gating again.....wondering if each tier has ability to gate, or if gating is reserved for the breeders (mother and father!)

I think it's a logical conclusion to believe at least all core units will be able to gate, most likely all elite units as well.
If it relied on a single specific elite unit it would create a lot of problems.

Your faction's unique skill would be worthless until you got that unit, which depending on map settings might not even be possible.
The enemy could prevent your unique skill from coming into play by nuking down that specific unit as a priority target.
Your focus lies mainly on that unit, all the other units feel inferior as a result.

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DoubleDeck
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Look into my eyes...
posted April 14, 2011 12:43 PM

@Mr Dragon - I hear you and you make sense....just wondering why Elvin posted that there were some surprises to Gating that will be slightly different from H5....wonder what they are....

One thing for sure, is that each factions racial ability seems to fill up the bar so once the bar is full or nearly full you can get maximum use from the ability.....why would one leave gating until this late in a battle? Seems like their bar would need to be full right at the start of the battle....

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Nelgirith
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posted April 14, 2011 01:26 PM
Edited by Nelgirith at 13:31, 14 Apr 2011.

If you read Lepastur's sum-up, he said that the Haven racial (Guardian Angel) has several levels and that at first level he could only use his racial on core units. He obtained the 2nd level when his hero reached level 10 and could then cast it on elite units. He also said that the 3rd level could be obtained at level 20.

If there's an ultimate level, it could most likely be obtained at level 30 (though I'm not sure what the ultimate level could do since there are only 3 levels of creatures ^^)

It could be safe to assume that Necromancy and Gating also work the same way :
- "basic" : applies to core units only
- "advanced" : applies to core and elite units
- "expert" : applies to all units

As for the ultimate effect I see 3 possibilities :
- doubled effect (twice more creatures are raised/gated, double stats OR duration on the guardian angel, bloodrage and honour) ?
- mass effect ?
- racial gauge fills faster ?

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DoubleDeck
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posted April 14, 2011 01:36 PM

@Nelgirith: That's cool and an interesting view on the different levels determining the effectiveness of the racial ability...

My vibe and question is "when" to use the racial ability...

Necromancy -> towards middle/end of battle (as you need to fill up the bar by killing troops and then use it to raise dead)

Gating -> towards beginning of battle (how does bar fill up? Does it start out at maximum and then as you gate, the bar goes down to zero? In other words vica versa to necromancy)


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Willis
Willis


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posted April 14, 2011 01:39 PM

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I think it's a logical conclusion to believe at least all core units will be able to gate, most likely all elite units as well.
If it relied on a single specific elite unit it would create a lot of problems.


It's also possible, although I doubt it, that gating isn't tied to the units you have at all. It could be sort of like a summoning spell.

The screenshot today looks fantastic. The depth is better than ever. You'd definitely have to change the angle, whether by zooming out and over, or rotating, to see what's behind the trees in back.

As for Michael, perhaps they are trying to make us hate him. We are going to be so much more emotionally interested in killing Michael than if they hadn't promoted his figurine every day. It is kind of brilliant, actually.

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MrDragon
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posted April 14, 2011 01:59 PM

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As for the ultimate effect I see 3 possibilities :
- doubled effect (twice more creatures are raised/gated, double stats OR duration on the guardian angel, bloodrage and honour) ?
- mass effect ?
- racial gauge fills faster ?

Other options could be:

For all:
Mastery (doesn't consume an action from the user)

Gating:
Instant Gating
Buffed Gating (gated units have a stat increase of some sort or come into play with a blessing the hero knows.)

Guardian Angel:
Lingering Protection (after effect that greatly reduces incoming damage.)
Angel's Mercy (heals/ressurects X hitpoints of the stack per turn whilst protected)
Angel's Mercy (different version, removes all curses on the target and prevents the target from being curses while protected.)

Bloodrage: (presuming it's some kind of buff on a/your unit(s))
Infectious Rage (friendly units near the raging unit get a small stat boost from that unit, (say a Raging Centaur gives +1 movement to nearby units and a raging Panther Warrior gives +X damage))

Necromancy:
Death Catalyst (hero gains mana when raising troops).
Shroud of Asha (hero starts with 50% of the bar full).

Honour:
Bushido (Units gain a powerfull offensive bonus in addition to their defensive one.)
Against the Odds (blessing is more powerful for every adjecent enemy that is not adjecent to another friendly unit.)

Just to name a few, based ofcourse on what I think the skills might be.

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Dave_Jame
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posted April 14, 2011 02:01 PM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 08:26, 15 Apr 2011.

@Nelgirith:
about the ultimate level of the rasiel ability, do you remember the paddant of mastery from heroes V? that could by a clue about this "ultimate level"
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