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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
posted April 21, 2011 02:12 PM

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I would like to hope for a miracle, but I'm quite sure there won't be any very significant changes unless absolutely necessary. If there is new content it will probably be small stuff.


I'm on this vibe.....don't think we should get our hopes up about town window changing, etc.

Game balancing takes a %#^&load longer than making nice pretty graphics....

Hey for some future news, I would like to hear about:

- Neutral / elemental artwork and abilities
- Unique town buildings

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Wckey
Wckey


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posted April 21, 2011 02:16 PM

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Well they did give us an artwork.  

Where? When?

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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
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Property of Nightterror™
posted April 21, 2011 02:20 PM
Edited by Jabanoss at 14:22, 21 Apr 2011.

Oh sorry, I meant screenshot.
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Wckey
Wckey


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posted April 21, 2011 02:30 PM

The only thing new about it is the fact that the ghost are invisible... I doubt anyone would see the ghost without the circle on the ground.
How hard can it be to make a screenshot of a creature, some menus, town windows, battles, some artifacts or some spells?
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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted April 21, 2011 02:32 PM

I would like to know more about heroes at this point actually.

Like the full bio, portrait and specialization of one of the random tavern heroes.

That or maybe some previews of specific skills, spells and abilities.

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted April 21, 2011 02:32 PM

If they cant squeeze decent town screens in next 5 months I will be extremely disappointed as will be most of the people who think the same. As we were reminded several times Town Screens are not time and resource consuming task.

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Kenishi
Kenishi


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passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted April 21, 2011 02:40 PM
Edited by Kenishi at 14:41, 21 Apr 2011.

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About the preorder: someone said here that preorderers shouldn't complain because they didn't pay yet.
It is not true, I preordered on steam, where the release date was in May and they took away the price from my bank account. So I payed for something I expected in May. My payment was instant but my expected date is now 4 months further. Of course it doesn't violate the law but it makes preorderers disappointed.


   Sorry if I sounded that I blame the people for complaining for pr-ordering but I didn't know Steam charges in advance or at the moment you place the pr-order, because as I said in the mentioned post I have also pr-ordered (the physical copy of the Collectors Edition) and didn't have to pay on the pr-order I just got a mail with a confirmation and a phone call telling me that I will be noticed with in 1-2 days before shipping of the product if I still want to buy it ... so bummer guys didn't know Steam works that way , funny enough always tried to avoid that service ... sometimes my spider sens works...
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torin856
torin856


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posted April 21, 2011 02:51 PM
Edited by torin856 at 15:01, 21 Apr 2011.

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About the preorder: someone said here that preorderers shouldn't complain because they didn't pay yet.
It is not true, I preordered on steam, where the release date was in May and they took away the price from my bank account. So I payed for something I expected in May. My payment was instant but my expected date is now 4 months further. Of course it doesn't violate the law but it makes preorderers disappointed.


   Sorry if I sounded that I blame the people for complaining for pr-ordering but I didn't know Steam charges in advance or at the moment you place the pr-order, because as I said in the mentioned post I have also pr-ordered (the physical copy of the Collectors Edition) and didn't have to pay on the pr-order I just got a mail with a confirmation and a phone call telling me that I will be noticed with in 1-2 days before shipping of the product if I still want to buy it ... so bummer guys didn't know Steam works that way , funny enough always tried to avoid that service ... sometimes my spider sens works...


It's Ubi's fault. They started the preorder program, they delayed the release. Steam just works like it always worked. It is the biggest and the best online gaming shop even if there are a very little crowd with people like you who thinks that steam is bad and they are the cool guys just because they don't buy from Steam.

The reason is simple:
You can't make a preorder program with beta key as reward without charging the persons who preorder.
I am sure that you won't get the beta key for your order, because that would mean a free betakey getter method.

I hope you see the difference now and won't try to turn this to an "anti steam" post.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted April 21, 2011 02:55 PM

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If they cant squeeze decent town screens in next 5 months I will be extremely disappointed as will be most of the people who think the same. As we were reminded several times Town Screens are not time and resource consuming task.
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Reminded by whom, exactly? And what experience in programming and software development do they have to back that statement up?
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Tsar-Ivor
Tsar-Ivor


Promising
Legendary Hero
Scourge of God
posted April 21, 2011 03:04 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 15:21, 21 Apr 2011.

urgh dread/expect an october release. they wont go into november because heroes will be chewed up by the big releases (not that it bothers us, doubtless it would bother ubisoft) and its just an uncanny hunch nothing more >.>

Also the current town screens IMO will stay, was a decision ubisoft made to not include it in heroes 6 with good reason no doubt. Wished they'd share those reasons with the angry mob .
The only way you gonna see the townscreens is a lovely demonstration (you could riot but that would have adverse effects) of how much u want towns-screens back and then maybe, just maybe we'll get them.
by december

atleast i'll have you fine folks to entertain me.
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smithey
smithey


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Supreme Hero
Yes im red, choke on it !!!
posted April 21, 2011 03:35 PM

@ Cepheus

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I realise you're upset, and if calling me laughable and lame helps with that I say go for it, but I did my best to try and explain. Sorry.


I indeed am upset, better yet disappointed however if you read again you will see I have never called you laughable or lame, I've called your excuse a lame one and your statement laughable, there is a world of difference between doing so and calling YOU names, I don't know you and I am not mad at you, Ubihole is the one I'm mad at that's why I said you shouldnt be making excuses for them nor do you need to apologize for anything.

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Kenishi
Kenishi


Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted April 21, 2011 03:39 PM
Edited by Kenishi at 15:41, 21 Apr 2011.

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It is the biggest and the best online gaming shop even if there are a very little crowd with people like you who thinks that steam is bad and they are the cool guys just because they don't buy from Steam.


   Oh so I think I'm cool because I don't use Steam ... man so good to know what I'm thinking ... but alas I used the service had bad experience and I bough games that wear never pr-ordered that's way I didn't know that the take the money even for a product that they will have in a near future, and to point it out even more I said and explained I bought from a different shop and they haven't charged me and that leads me to the affirmation that it was good of not to pr-order from steam and go with a different provider.

   P.S. I never wanted make people believe I'm a "cool guy" for bashing Steam I just felt is unreasonable to charge you for something when it's not available and use the money in the mean time. It was a statement on the way it's doing business, so if Steam offers all that you seek in a game provider all for the better for me there are others no need to take offense when somebody has a different opinion of your favorite game provider/idea.

Sorry for the rest if I went a bit overboard and deviated from the subject at hand that being that H6 is delayed for 8 September, just felt I needed to clarify some opinions.
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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted April 21, 2011 03:41 PM

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Reminded by whom, exactly? And what experience in programming and software development do they have to back that statement up?

We got responses that town windows screenshots are not posted yet because actual windows are not done yet. Furthermore there were explanations on this forum (I don't remember by whom, and thread is too long to dig through it) that this kind of work is left for last because its not time consuming and not that complicate.
My own view is that town screen is nothing more than a graphically rich menu especially if its going to be 2D. Also if they have started to work on town windows its not like they are starting from scratch, at least good portion of the artwork and UI should be already done.

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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


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Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
posted April 21, 2011 03:46 PM
Edited by The_Polyglot at 15:51, 21 Apr 2011.

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Quote:
If they cant squeeze decent town screens in next 5 months I will be extremely disappointed as will be most of the people who think the same. As we were reminded several times Town Screens are not time and resource consuming task.


Bzzzzzzz! They are in fact veery difficult to change, because now thousands of lines of code would have to be rewritten from scratch to implement them, the main reason why I doubt they return in their full-screen glory, even though I would welcome them gladly. BTW, we were reminded of this very fact by Ceph, if I recall correctly, when the rage against TWs started in the first place. If they explicitly told us that they need this delay to scrap TWs and make TSs, then it would be a completely different story, but that is not the case, and clearly, there's only a very slim chance,(IF there's a chance at all) that they could do this on top of all their existing concerns, whatever those may be.

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DoubleDeck
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Look into my eyes...
posted April 21, 2011 03:49 PM

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Reminded by whom, exactly? And what experience in programming and software development do they have to back that statement up?

We got responses that town windows screenshots are not posted yet because actual windows are not done yet. Furthermore there were explanations on this forum (I don't remember by whom, and thread is too long to dig through it) that this kind of work is left for last because its not time consuming and not that complicate.
My own view is that town screen is nothing more than a graphically rich menu especially if its going to be 2D. Also if they have started to work on town windows its not like they are starting from scratch, at least good portion of the artwork and UI should be already done.


Actual town windows have been done, check the artwork thread. There it shows a town window with the 4 town levels with the core troops on level 1 and the marksmen being upgraded (two ticks).


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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted April 21, 2011 03:50 PM

Umm no they haven't. Placeholders yadda yadda..
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Kenishi
Kenishi


Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
posted April 21, 2011 03:59 PM

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Bzzzzzzz! They are in fact veery difficult to change, because now thousands of lines of code would have to be rewritten from scratch to implement them, the main reason why I doubt they return in their full-screen glory, even though I would welcome them gladly


   I'm a bit fuzzy about it but but the hard coded of the game usually develops a game engine (Like Unreal 3.5, CryEngine etc)and you the developer use the given environment to create the game that can be rts, tbs, shooter by giving him rules .etc .... or am I wrong and look at thinks to simply
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torin856
torin856


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posted April 21, 2011 04:00 PM

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   Oh so I think I'm cool because I don't use Steam ... man so good to know what I'm thinking ... but alas I used the service had bad experience and I bough games that wear never pr-ordered that's way I didn't know that the take the money even for a product that they will have in a near future, and to point it out even more I said and explained I bought from a different shop and they haven't charged me and that leads me to the affirmation that it was good of not to pr-order from steam and go with a different provider.

   P.S. I never wanted make people believe I'm a "cool guy" for bashing Steam I just felt is unreasonable to charge you for something when it's not available and use the money in the mean time. It was a statement on the way it's doing business, so if Steam offers all that you seek in a game provider all for the better for me there are others no need to take offense when somebody has a different opinion of your favorite game provider/idea.

Sorry for the rest if I went a bit overboard and deviated from the subject at hand that being that H6 is delayed for 8 September, just felt I needed to clarify some opinions.


So you talk about your spider senses and you deny that you want to make yourself look like a cool guy? Did you see any product of the Spiderman franchise?

Nah, enough fun lets be serious.

I am 100% sure that your "preorder" doesn't contain beta key and I am 75% sure that it doesn't contain the other preorder stuffs too.
What is preorder about? It is about you give your money before the release and because of your faith in the game you get extra content, beta key, etc...
What you made is not something like this. You noticed to a seller that you would like to buy the game and the seller wrote it down and it'll give away the game in the written order if there aren't enough copies.
And maybe they give you some of the bonuses because of your "preorder". But again, I am absolutely sure, that your "preorder" won't give you beta key before you pay for it.

So you do the same strategy as in your last post, still want to convince me that you made the same deal that I made on Steam except you didn't pay a penny but it is not true, I am 100% sure about that.

There is a reason why Steam (and Ubishop) preorders are not free and your "preorder" (but lets call it prenotice) is.

Why do you think it is abnormal to pay for something that you get in the future? Even banks work in this way: you give them money and you believe them that they will give it back to you after a year or so (with the rates of course).
Or think about insurances.
It is not a nonsense "paymodel".

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maken
maken


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Hail Hydra!
posted April 21, 2011 04:23 PM

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Bzzzzzzz! They are in fact veery difficult to change, because now thousands of lines of code would have to be rewritten from scratch to implement them, the main reason why I doubt they return in their full-screen glory, even though I would welcome them gladly


   I'm a bit fuzzy about it but but the hard coded of the game usually develops a game engine (Like Unreal 3.5, CryEngine etc)and you the developer use the given environment to create the game that can be rts, tbs, shooter by giving him rules .etc .... or am I wrong and look at thinks to simply


Although I'm not trained nor experienced in game developing, this does not take 200 lines of code in a simple graphics library ("hard code"), now imagine with a graphic engine.
So yeah, if Black Hole engine is not made of fail, its fairly simple:

- You change the size of the screen and change the position where it is supposed to appear (that would be more art-people work to make more resolutions of the same thing. And as it is now would waste processing in drawing the adventure map that will not even be seen).
- You tell the "painting organizer" that the other things (the adventure map that is currently at the background) is no longer needed to be drawed. (this also allows the menu to be more complex, lets say, with 3d stuff, wink wink, but on the downside makes the return to the adventure map a little slow since you don't have it "ready" there).

At least that is how I would make it, on a non-insider perspective

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted April 21, 2011 04:37 PM
Edited by dark-whisperer at 17:08, 21 Apr 2011.

I have a quote from "New (unofficial) patch for ToE / AI mod" thread from Heroes V forum on HC.

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Technically, this work involved the refactoring of 35,000 lines of AI source code. Not bloated but highly optimized and fine-tuned code, where everything fits into its right place. Sort of this craftmanship that you can see in the buildings that endured millenia in Egypt, Greece and Rome, and that hardly anybody could afford today.

Don't ask me how I did this work in a single month. I don't think it's possible.


Whole thing is here:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=34594&pagenumber=8

One guy in a month went through 35k lines of code and made AI work much better and faster. So it can be done.

I honestly can't believe that thousands of lines of code have to be scratched if few things have to be changed for town screens. It shouldn't be total rewrite, just some modules of code have to be replaced.

With this much extra time on their hands and with a lot more manpower than lonely Quantomas it shouldn't be really that impossible to implement something that so many fans ask for.


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