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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted May 12, 2011 06:06 AM

Dang! Those are some shiny boots.
I must say I like the look of those Shadow Elementals, if that is what they are. All floaty and smoky and tentacle-y. Reminds me a bit of this:Fred Only more black and less extra dimensional.

It also makes me wonder what the 8th neutral is gonna be. Cause if we deduce quickly we get 5 elementals (Air, Earth, Shadow, Water and Fire (Light Elementals are Glories from what we can tell)); the phoenix; that feathery, witchy type girl that foxxxer mentions and was kinda shown in the Christmass tree back then; and the mystery 8th. (Unless that mystery 8th turns out to be a Light Elemental)
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Wckey
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posted May 12, 2011 06:44 AM
Edited by Wckey at 06:48, 12 May 2011.

And once again Ubisoft show some neutrals without revealing them.
But seriously, why don't they show us the light and water elementals? Are they afraid of the obvious reaction the fans will have?

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It also makes me wonder what the 8th neutral is gonna be. Cause if we deduce quickly we get 5 elementals (Air, Earth, Shadow, Water and Fire (Light Elementals are Glories from what we can tell)); the phoenix; that feathery, witchy type girl that foxxxer mentions and was kinda shown in the Christmass tree back then; and the mystery 8th. (Unless that mystery 8th turns out to be a Light Elemental)

If we will get water elementals AND spring spirit, why do you think it will be different with the glories?
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War-overlord
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posted May 12, 2011 06:56 AM
Edited by War-overlord at 06:57, 12 May 2011.

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If we will get water elementals AND spring spirit, why do you think it will be different with the glories?


Because Glories are specifically mentioned to be incarnations of the Light Elementals in their descriptions. Whereas Spring Spirits and Ice Maidens are described as water spirits, not as elementals.
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Avirosb
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posted May 12, 2011 07:03 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 07:16, 12 May 2011.

Spirits =/= Elementals?

Also, I think the creature to the bottom right in my previous post is a water element. It doesn't quite look like a water unagieel.

As for neutral units... I kinda hope the manticore is a dungeon unit this time around. It fits the dark elf dungeon rather well, methinks.


EDIT: VVV Well, now that you mention it...
Guess I saw it from a different angle.

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War-overlord
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posted May 12, 2011 07:06 AM

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Also, I think the creature to the bottom right in my previous post is a water element.


You sure that ain't a Ghost/Spectre?
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Dexter
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posted May 12, 2011 07:12 AM

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If we will get water elementals AND spring spirit, why do you think it will be different with the glories?


Because Glories are specifically mentioned to be incarnations of the Light Elementals in their descriptions. Whereas Spring Spirits and Ice Maidens are described as water spirits, not as elementals.


Nevertheless they do look 100% the same (at least for me they do), so I think that not only will there be a Light Elemental, but we might have seen it already and mistaken it for the Glory...

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MrDragon
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posted May 12, 2011 07:18 AM

That very certainly is a Spectre, we've seen loads of screenshots of that creature already.
It is not the Water Elemental.

Personally, the screenshot was to me much more about how darned stunningly beautiful the game is, except that we've already seen tons of those, but still. wow....

Kinda getting sick of them showing off mostly the water though, we could do with some other enviroments, some more arctic screenshots, or wastelands or even some more volcanic shots. (provided they show some cool volcanic doodads.)
I love the tropical caverns and jungle shots but we're drowning in those now, very few screens show off the other terrain styles.

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foxxxer
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posted May 12, 2011 07:20 AM
Edited by foxxxer at 07:25, 12 May 2011.

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Are they afraid of the obvious reaction the fans will have?

This could be one of the reasons. The other could be because we already have seen them as a Glory and a Spring spirit. If the Nightterror is right and the elementals have unique names that could be a reason why we don't recognize em' like elementals (Glory and Spring Spirit) and speculate about their origin.


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Because Glories are specifically mentioned to be incarnations of the Light Elementals in their descriptions. Whereas Spring Spirits and Ice Maidens are described as water spirits, not as elementals.


That's not true. Nowhere in the official description is mentioned about "incarnation of the Light Elementals", only affiliated to Elrath. Spring Spirirt and Snow Maiden are water spirits, but Spring Spirirt is strongly linked to the water(melted). Check in the official site.

We can only guess and speculate what they are 'till official reveal.

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Also, I think the creature to the bottom right in my previous post is a water element.

This is a ghost/spectre.




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Properkheldar
Properkheldar


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Keeper of books
posted May 12, 2011 07:27 AM

The christmas tree picture did have two similar faces. One belonged to the glory, the other one looked a lot like it but still another creature. For me that means that we will get a light elemental as well as a glory.

Didn´t they also say how many neutrals there were gonna be in the game? Should be easy to figure out then since we know that two aren´t elementals (siren-thing and phoenix).

I for one am quite sure that we will get all elements represented as neutrals and i´m perfectly fine with that.

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Avirosb
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posted May 12, 2011 07:44 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 07:44, 12 May 2011.

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That very certainly is a Spectre

Show these images to a person who has yet to see the artwork, and I wager that person would have problems telling apart the apparition from the elmentals.

But I agree about the graphics. Visually, the game looks stunning.
Shame about the art direction though.

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Properkheldar
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Keeper of books
posted May 12, 2011 07:44 AM

If they would copy paste the in game models for the neutrals i would also think it would be cheap. It they made similar but unique models with different movements and skills/functions on the battlefield i wouldn´t care.

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foxxxer
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posted May 12, 2011 07:47 AM

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The christmas tree picture did have two similar faces. One belonged to the glory, the other one looked a lot like it but still another creature. For me that means that we will get a light elemental as well as a glory.

The similar face in Chrismas tree could be a hero. In the other hand if it will be a Light Elemental the rage will be fearsome. And that is intelligibly. But I wait for official reveal. The question is 'till when must we wait for more clearness.

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DoubleDeck
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posted May 12, 2011 07:54 AM

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It also makes me wonder what the 8th neutral is gonna be. Cause if we deduce quickly we get 5 elementals (Air, Earth, Shadow, Water and Fire (Light Elementals are Glories from what we can tell)); the phoenix; that feathery, witchy type girl that foxxxer mentions and was kinda shown in the Christmass tree back then; and the mystery 8th. (Unless that mystery 8th turns out to be a Light Elemental)


Putting it out there, I reckon the elementals will be similar to the 6 elemental dragons and 2 primordial dragons making up 8 neutrals:

1. Air elemental (in today's screenshot)
2. Earth elemental (in today's screenshot)
3. Fire elemental
4. Water elemental

5. Light elemental
6. Dark elemental (in today's screenshot - not shadow)

Primordial split into:

7. Asha - Blue Phoenix
8. Urgash - some Chaos elemental (not seen yet or that red feathered ghost looking creature)

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Jabanoss
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posted May 12, 2011 07:57 AM

Who cares about the elementals??
Haven't you seen how awesome the underground looks?! (Me stating this for the 104th time...)
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unicornblood
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posted May 12, 2011 08:12 AM

Can someone give me the link to the pic with the famed Christmas tree? Please ?
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foxxxer
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posted May 12, 2011 08:21 AM

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Also in a german gameplay video I saw the water women being called WATER ELEMENTAL, or this is a silly and stupid error from someone or this is the fact that spring spirit has same model as water elemental.

It was pre-alfa version of the game. Some creatures are with deferent name as Kappa King, Pearl Maiden etc on some scenes (there is event log) of Sanctuary reveal video. Probably these were "working" (demo) names.

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Can someone give me the link to the pic with the famed Christmas tree? Please?

Here

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Nelgirith
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posted May 12, 2011 08:48 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 09:05, 12 May 2011.

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Primordial split into:

7. Asha - Blue Phoenix
8. Urgash - some Chaos elemental (not seen yet or that red feathered ghost looking creature)

Unless Urgash likes feathery creatures, that won't be the case. We've seen all the neutrals but the phoenix yet and even though we saw the 8th neutral creature, we just don't know what it is

Ans since I know you'll ask about it It was in the screenshot of the day on February, 17th :


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Dave_Jame
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posted May 12, 2011 08:56 AM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 09:07, 12 May 2011.

I think the sad reason for the 6 elementals as neutrals is because the 6 elemental magic schools.

The only reason why we need 6 elementals that are all aproximatly the same strength is to have a Summon elemental spell in all magic schools.

This is sad for one point that real neutrals like wolves or rogues won't make it, and that we have 6 identical spells.

This is a thing I disliked in heroes III and VI, that there were spells that had the same effect just under different names and categories.

(Plus who bets that the Pheonix is the Primordial summon)
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Elvin
Elvin

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Stillness within Movement
posted May 12, 2011 09:02 AM

Phoenix is neutral.
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DoubleDeck
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Look into my eyes...
posted May 12, 2011 09:07 AM

That's what I think, that the 6 elementals are there cos of the 6 magic schools, so that each has a summon elemental spell.

The 7th school of magic...hmmm....prime school....would there be a summon phoenix here?

That red, feathery creature is baffling me.....who knows what the hell it is!

@MrDragon - Yes, the underground rocks! Love the stairs and the levels...

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