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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted September 28, 2011 08:15 AM

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Then I must have been living in a cave all this time because I thought the main storyline was about a demon invasion.


If I remember good one of the first things we got was "There is a demon invasion but its not the main central point of the story"

@Elvin
You do not have to justfy the story;-) its my nature not to belive religiose fanatics, especialy those who focuse on "Light"
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Elvin
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posted September 28, 2011 08:41 AM
Edited by Elvin at 08:47, 28 Sep 2011.

Remember the part of the ancient archangel general launching a campaign against his ancient enemies? Guess who?

Of course Dave, your hide is on the line if these guys take it to the streets with torches and pitchforks

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And to be fair, haven guys do tend to be proud, judgemental and zealous. That is easy to see if you read about how they see the other factions(should be in the manual) or play clash of heroes.
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Avirosb
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posted September 28, 2011 08:51 AM

I'd rather support the LordiVegaPredators than play Clash of Heroes

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Dave_Jame
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posted September 28, 2011 09:06 AM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 09:11, 28 Sep 2011.

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Of course Dave, your hide is on the line if these guys take it to the streets with torches and pitchforks

EDIT:

And to be fair, haven guys do tend to be proud, judgemental and zealous. That is easy to see if you read about how they see the other factions(should be in the manual) or play clash of heroes.


Finished it yesturday, got the idea. And the faction manual we got some weeks back gave a good idea how the political mentaltty of this faction is. They allie whit anybody to stop the demons, but do not trust them more then needed in times of peac.

@ Avirosb
WHy? if you get over the way they made the setting (Anime style, for younger people) the game mechnics them selves are good and it gives a nice background to H5 story.
Aleso its the only game where you can meet an undead dragon and his half eaten dragonslayer in an ever lasting quarel.

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Fauch
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posted September 28, 2011 09:17 AM

faceless might not be in a faction?
maybe it's just a bunch of neutrals heroes and some boss (including the dragon)

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Elvin
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posted September 28, 2011 09:22 AM

You're just being closed minded avirosb. Unless you really really hate puzzle games.
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Avirosb
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posted September 28, 2011 09:50 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 09:53, 28 Sep 2011.

I really don't like western-made animefication of old and venerated franchises.
People who like that art style aren't allowed to dislike the H6 windows IMO. It's just as cheap and unartistic.

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Elvin
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posted September 28, 2011 09:55 AM
Edited by Elvin at 09:56, 28 Sep 2011.

I don't like the anime approach either but that doesn't change the fact that it's a well-designed, fun game.
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Zenofex
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posted September 28, 2011 10:03 AM

About the story - what interests me is Kha-Beleth's personality (I vote for Kiril, even though there is some chance to be Michael as well), the rest is obviously the same stupid "good vs. evil" crap where the good guys win after a hard struggle.

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Elvin
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posted September 28, 2011 10:11 AM

It would be kinda hard to fit 4 wings of that span in that armour. Unless he sawed them off but..

Kiril doesn't fit the sovereign's gigantic frame as was shown in H5. Plus.. Unless he had an awesome demon-commanding artifact like Aidan I don't see him gaining such a position. I doubt he could command the respect of powerful demons that had been around for centuries.
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Nelgirith
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posted September 28, 2011 10:14 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 10:15, 28 Sep 2011.

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About the story - what interests me is Kha-Beleth's personality (I vote for Kiril, even though there is some chance to be Michael as well), the rest is obviously the same stupid "good vs. evil" crap where the good guys win after a hard struggle.

Who is good ? Who is evil ? From a Haven point of view, Angels are good and Faceless are evil, but we've already seen that the Haven was far from being "that" good.

My guess is that you'll have choices to make which will lead you to either the tears or the blood path and :
- if you chose to go tears, you'll be allied with the Angels and you'll slaughter Faceless and fight the Black Dragon boss
- if you chose to go blood, you'll be allied with the Faceless and you'll slaughter Angels and fight either of the Archangel (Uriel or Michael, if not both).

So, yes, it will be good vs evil, but you get to decide who is good or evil.

I've always considered Haven (and Academy even more) to be at least as evil as Inferno - especially after reading some of the Dynasty Weapon's stories.

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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted September 28, 2011 10:16 AM

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I don't like the anime approach either but that doesn't change the fact that it's a well-designed, fun game.


How hard would it be to change the unite designe to something more. apropriet for a PC game? The unites and characters are really childish but the enviroment itself really does connect to H5 whit and finaly in COH I actuall got used to theArabic themed mages

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Zenofex
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posted September 28, 2011 10:17 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 10:22, 28 Sep 2011.

Regarding Michael's wings:



As for Kiril - it is said that he's possessed by a demon. Maybe the said fella fully possesses him and "mutates" the body into what is shown in Heroes V. Moreover, Kha-Beleth is distinctively more "humanoid" compared to the regular demons which tend to be more twisted.

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- if you chose to go blood, you'll be allied with the Faceless and you'll slaughter Angels and fight either of the Archangel (Uriel or Michael, if not both).
... And then they have to explain how come the Faceless suddenly disappear after actually defeating their foes. Come on, it's crystal clear - these guys are doomed. Could it be otherwise? Well, it will be quite a surprise if they make it otherwise.

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So, yes, it will be good vs evil, but you get to decide who is good or evil.
Yes, of course, just like you can blame the moronic zealots of the Haven faction that they can slaughter the whole world if someone "divine" (or "saint"...) tells them but ultimately they are among the victors, because, you know, SOME of them are decent folks.

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Avirosb
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posted September 28, 2011 10:29 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 10:33, 28 Sep 2011.

Isn't Kiril accompanied by his personal Biara?
Or fallen angel of whatever?

EDIT: Ah, I remember Kha-Beleth sounding cool in the H5 demo.
Then they had to go change it and add a stupid effect over his voice

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Gweret
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posted September 28, 2011 10:41 AM

Ekhem,
I'm I the only one who sees that Michael is really a "FALLEN ANGEL", the one who lost Light of Elrath?

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As for Kiril - it is said that he's possessed by a demon.

I'm not sure if he is. For Sure we can say that he is manipulated by fallen angel Serah.


In my opinion it will be different:
- with blood path we will fight faceless;
- with tears path we will stop angels with option to redeem them.


As for Kha - Beleth. He might be also a Sar-Elam, who was in fact imprisoned in Sheogh as side effect of his spell and after a while woke up with twisted mind.
Or it might be incarnation of Urgash Will.

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Elvin
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posted September 28, 2011 10:52 AM
Edited by Elvin at 11:06, 28 Sep 2011.

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As for Kha - Beleth. He might be also a Sar-Elam, who was in fact imprisoned in Sheogh as side effect of his spell and after a while woke up with twisted mind.

That would be one hell of a twist. But then they would it take so many centuries for him to make an appearance and why would he be so weak, considering that he used to have the power of a Dragon God or something. There are ways to explain it but it would still sound rather.. forced.

@Zeno
I have considered the burning wings but that still doesn't sound very convincing. First, you have seen Michael in the official site, his wings are burnt but otherwise flappable. Same with the angel who steals the Griffin sword in the first trailer, she flies on burnt wings. That is not to say they won't fall off later but so far I have the impression that these angels are just.. marked. Secondly, Michael would have to 'fall' before the appearance of Kha Beleth And I have reason to think that will not be the case.
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Mitzah
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posted September 28, 2011 11:19 AM

Anything new about the news "that will please absolutely everyone"? They also said they'd make an announcement (maybe the same) about the town screens.
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Nelgirith
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posted September 28, 2011 11:25 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 11:28, 28 Sep 2011.

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And then they have to explain how come the Faceless suddenly disappear after actually defeating their foes. Come on, it's crystal clear - these guys are doomed. Could it be otherwise? Well, it will be quite a surprise if they make it otherwise.


They have nothing to explain. Many games allowed players to experience both sides of a story and pick who they wanted to win, but when an expansion was released, one of the possible endings was selected to be the canon ending. It's a kind of "what would Ashan be if Faceless had beaten the Angels ?", even though we know Angels won.

Remember H2 ? We could play Archibald and Rolland's campaigns in which the one we would select would also become the king. But when H3 was released, it was decided that Rolland's campaign end would be the canon end of H2.

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Zenofex
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posted September 28, 2011 11:27 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 11:33, 28 Sep 2011.

Michael isn't really a great candidate for Kha-Beleth's role, although I don't consider it impossible. The story of an "Angel general" who has never been an "Angel" or has been corrupted before the start of the events and has goals completely different from his official propaganda could be quite nice. Still, I'm leaning towards Kiril. And this Sarah could actually be Biara, who knows.

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They have nothing to explain. Many games allowed players to experience both sides of a story and pick who they wanted to win, but when an expansion was released, one of the possible endings was selected to be the canon ending. It's a kind of "what would Ashan be if Faceless had beaten the Angels ?", even though we know Angels won.
That's a stupid way to tell a story although I agree that it's a commonly employed method. But it makes little sense to complete Warhammer 40: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade with Chaos and one game later to find out that canonically the battle on Kronus was won by the Space Marines and Eliphas was killed in the process (but oh wait, he was alive and had horns in the end, how could this be?!). Stories which have multiple endings that can not be reconciled should not be continued, otherwise there is no canon as such.
As for Archibald - he's just too cool to deny him a moment of glory.

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Elvin
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posted September 28, 2011 11:34 AM

An angel reborn into succubus, fail
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