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posted August 06, 2013 06:39 PM |
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The trial of Army Major Hasan has begun. Obama ordered him to be charged with "workplace violence" rather than terrorism.
Hasan walked into a room filled with unarmed army enlisted personnel in Fort Hood, Texas. The unsuspecting patriots were waiting for training and vaccinations in preparation for shipping out to Afghanistan. Hasan yelled "Alahu Akhbar!(Allah is the greatest [god])" and began mowing them down. He killed 13 and wounded more than 30 others before being stopped by bullets.
Now he gets to stand in the court and make a mockery of justice as he represents himself and preaches jihad during the trial.
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The Army psychiatrist behind the shooting rampage at Fort Hood nearly four years ago called himself a "mujahideen" in a short and unrepentant opening statement at his military trial, which will likely feature the bizarre spectacle of him questioning his own victims.
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who is serving as his own attorney, began his court martial with an opening statement less than two minutes long as the military trial began under heavy security at the Texas base. He faces the death penalty for the Nov. 5, 2009 rampage, in which 13 people were killed and where witnesses said Hasan yelled "Alahu Akhbar!" as he sprayed gunfire at unarmed fellow soldiers.
"The evidence presented in this trial will only show one side, that I was on the wrong side, and then I switched sides," Hasan said. "We the Mujahideen are imperfect Muslims trying to establish the perfect religion in the land of the supreme god."
Hasan said "the evidence will clearly show that I am the shooter. The dead bodies will show that war is an ugly thing."
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posted August 06, 2013 08:29 PM |
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Obama ordered him to be charged with "workplace violence" rather than terrorism.
What? I don't understand. The american president controls the courts???
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posted August 07, 2013 12:58 AM |
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In a federal criminal trial, the Department of Justice, one of the executive departments, is required to prosecute the case. The prosecutor determines what the charges are (in any jurisdiction, federal or otherwise). Technically it would be the attorney general (or an underling), who determines the exact charge in a federal case, not Obama. On the other hand, a military case is handled differently, outside the civilian system. The military (or DoD) in this case is responsible for prosecution. I'm not as familiar with how this system works, though; presumably as Commander in Chief the president could make some determination about a charge in a military case. I'm not sure where Elodin is getting his information about the charge, though. According to Wikipedia, he is being charged with "13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder under the Uniform Code of Military Justice", which sounds more like a real charge. As far as I know "workplace violence" isn't a charge in the criminal system, and "terrorism" may not be, either - particularly in the military system. In short, you can't just charge him with anything. You have to charge him with a crime, and only specific things are crimes.
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posted August 07, 2013 02:13 PM |
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Hassan's rampage was initially classified as an act of terror. Obama ordered it to be reclassified as workplace violence. Hassan is not being considered an enemy combatant.
Hasan was in contact with radical Islamic cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. During the course of the psychological treatments of returning soldiers (he was a psychologist) he called them war criminals. He justified jihad to the soldiers. The soldiers repeatedly complained to their superiors of Hasan calling them war criminals, telling them they were going to be prosecuted for war crimes, and justifying jihad. The superiors did nothing because they were afraid to act against a Muslim. Likewise the FBI knew of Hasan's terrorist connections and did nothing.
When Hasan walked into the room and murdered the unarmed soldiers he repeatedly shouted "Alahu Akhbar." The soldiers who were killed or wounded were not the victims of a simple workplace rampage. Hassan is an Islamic jihadist. He betrayed his country. He is a traitor. He "switched sides" to fight for the enemy.
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posted August 23, 2013 02:29 AM |
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Christian churches and businesses are being burned in mass in Egypt. Muslim Brotherhood responsible. And some people claimed the Muslim Brotherhood was not a terrorist organization.
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Islamist thugs have attacked dozens of churches across Egypt in the past few days, burning many of them down.
The attacks seemed to be protests against the brutal military government crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood that killed many hundreds of Egyptian Islamists over the past week.
Pope Tawadros II, the leader of Egypt's Christian Copts, met publicly with top military officers as they announced the coup that removed President Mohamed Morsy and his Muslim Brotherhood government from power in early July.
Christians, who make up 10% of the population, and other minorities had complained that a new constitution that had been passed by the Morsy government infringed on their rights.
For some Islamist militants, now it's payback time. According to one report, 52 churches across Egypt were attacked in 24 hours last week. The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights has counted at least 30 churches attacked, along with other Christian facilities.
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posted September 24, 2013 03:34 AM |
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here is something I didn't think about : Islam is an obsctacle to capitalism in several ways, for example, it forbids interest rates and speculation.
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posted January 09, 2015 08:41 PM |
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Maybe in its current state, but it was actually one of the supreme capitalist forces for much of our history, among other things.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:18 PM |
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The massive markets, souks and medinas sprawling all over many Muslim cities seem pretty capitalist to me.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:53 PM |
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yeah, then whatever the current dominant economic model is.
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posted January 09, 2015 11:35 PM |
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corporativisim?
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posted January 10, 2015 12:35 AM |
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To answer the opening post, I believe the real problem, for you, isn't the Muslims in your country themselves, but your own government that may allow too many in.
Canada ( where I live ) has a good immigration system ; they only allow a little of each nationality, so that way, they do not gain enough power and are thus assimilated more easily.
I firmly believe that misdirection is one of our main problem on this earth. We are all brainwashed into a form of misdirection, where we don't blame the real, core of a problem. Either by media brainwash, family brainwash, or just blaming the lesser evil because blaming the real evil can be dangerous. The Boston bombing brothers, for example, bombed civilians rather than police, politicians or military people. The US military only killed Ben Laden 10 years later, and he wasn't even in Iraq or Afganistan. We had one in Canada recently that killed 1 soldier and entered Ottawa's parliament ; nobody here has the guts to say "Hey, at least that guy knew the difference between non combatants and the people responsible".
Personally, I don't like this whole race mixing thing. I don't care but at the same time, I know it's simply easier to be surrounded with people that are alike. 1 black guy with 10 white guys? No problem when it's all fine, but during war time, you know the black guy will get owned and robbed of his belongings. In a setting with 1 white guy and 10 black guys? The white guy will get owned and robbed during war time. It's beyond race and religion and whatever other difference you can find ; it's just about a mathematic formula with race, sex, age, social status, religion, opinions and etc as variable. The more you share in common with the people around you, the more likely you are to survive when snow hits the fan and people finally reveal who they really are.
Your government failed it's own people by allowing too many inside, but it's easier to blame the Muslims than the government, and it's also easier to blame people you share less in common, hence the misdirection.
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posted January 10, 2015 01:09 AM |
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kayna said:
Personally, I don't like this whole race mixing thing. I don't care but at the same time, I know it's simply easier to be surrounded with people that are alike. 1 black guy with 10 white guys? No problem when it's all fine, but during war time, you know the black guy will get owned and robbed of his belongings. In a setting with 1 white guy and 10 black guys? The white guy will get owned and robbed during war time. It's beyond race and religion and whatever other difference you can find ; it's just about a mathematic formula with race, sex, age, social status, religion, opinions and etc as variable. The more you share in common with the people around you, the more likely you are to survive when snow hits the fan and people finally reveal who they really are.
1- I dont think it makes sense to base social politics on "what if the zombie apocalypse comes."
2- Given enough time and if you dont take whole crowded masses instantly, people will really mix, not just be aliens living in the same country. A black person in today's America have much more common culturally to his white neighbor than a man living in Nigeria. There were times Irish was seen as the different cultured immigrant, then Polish, the Italians, the Chinese... With time people blend in and culture means much more than anatomy.
3- In Australia, there was this story of an anti-immigrant right wing politician, he was dared to take a DNA test, and the result was, his heritage was like this percent Indian, that percent Irish, this percent German, that percent Persian etc etc. Turks are originally Middle-Asian, Standford University made a genetical study here and you know what the percentage of that Middle-Asian gene is now in modern day Turkey? Around 3 percent!
We are almost all hybrids. Race is mostly an illusion, it's culture that matters.
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posted January 10, 2015 01:25 AM |
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1- Well, the doomsday scenario is an exaggeration to reveal an existing flaw, but even without a war time, the single black or the single white can still encounter a lot of problems.
2- What you say is true in general, but perhaps not in this context; the opening post clearly states that they don't mix, to the point where some encourage child and or forced marriage.
3- Culture can be considered one of many points in common ; I know race isn't the only factor at work, and was covered in my post above.
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posted January 10, 2015 01:34 AM |
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1- You are not talking about any war time but war time that affects civillian life in the city and they start to rob each other etc.
2- Muslims do have integration problems, I dont deny that. But carrying that context to or explaining it with "races dont mix well" is a misguided analysis.
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posted January 10, 2015 01:52 AM |
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1- Well, I meant "when snow hits the fan", and war time being an extreme example of it. Just a bunch of 18 years old kids in a gang pumping themselves up to beat some random guy can happen. There could be hundreds of examples of that. The white guy will lose his job first if he works in a mostly black environment with a black boss, but also feel free to replace the color of skin with men and women, or military and hippy, or football players with nerds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMshhyIpiA
2- Well, my analysis was in comparison to Canada, where races are invited in roughly equal proportions. I did hear Norway and such invited a wee bit too many Muslims in, but it was indeed just hear say. I didn't bother to do a real in depth analysis of it. *shrug*.
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posted January 10, 2015 04:05 AM |
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The Scandinavian countries in particular Sweden have had a policy of relatively generous asylum and relatives immigration. Due to North Africa and the Middle East being the place where most snow happens, this has led to a lot of Muslim immigrants. I don't really perceive this as a problem. There is no withspread islamism and when there are cases of it, there's always a lot of concern in the Muslim community and, understandably so, among Muslim families. The biggest problem is that a lot of these people are unemployed but that's not really because they're Muslim but rather because they often have low skills and Sweden has a highly unionized and regulated labour market which sets the bar for entry really high.
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posted January 10, 2015 04:14 AM |
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Well I was shocked to learn that 20-25 years ago our approach to people seeking refuge in our country was to put them all together in a ghetto and then not offer them any schooling or be a part in our world in any other way.
Then years pass and we realize we ought to do something and after they've been here for a couple of years without really being here.. more like put away in a corner without a lot of options to develop in a way I imagine they'd find satisfying, they now get thrown head first into society after having gotten accustomed to something completely different.
Even today we've a lot of ghetto environments.. in the 60's we'd in our country a strong focus on... well not sure what it's called in English, so I'll call it bad traditions going through family generations. E.g. if someone was born poor, odds were they'd stay poor. If someone was born in a criminal environment, odds where they'd go to jail regularly.. and once people from all sorts of environments got mixed up these problems dissipated. Which makes it absurd that 30 years afterwards we were still putting people in nice boxes in their little own worlds, such as those ghetto's that were set up back then.
Some of the smartest people I know have roots outside and inside my country, they often are free from the negative restraints from either side. So they often get through our schooling system very well.
Then there's the problem that we've a lot of high quality workers and very few enterprises who create new work... so from an economic PoV we get the ridiculous situation similar to investing huge amount of money's in high quality tools, but having nothing to use them for, so we end up cleaning our toilets with million dollar tools.
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posted January 10, 2015 10:12 AM |
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xerox said:
I don't really perceive this as a problem.
There is same in France: you will have a tiny percentage of intellectuals support the Muslims as they were their flesh and blood. But if you type in goggle "Muslims in Sweden" the reality suddenly is same as here: disturbing.
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posted January 10, 2015 12:46 PM |
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kanya said:
The white guy will lose his job first if he works in a mostly black environment with a black boss, but also feel free to replace the color of skin with men and women, or military and hippy, or football players with nerds.
Family Guy scene
Well, you said it yourself, any difference has the potential of causing discrimination (not as a necessity though), what's your solution then, cloning?
Funny link from Family Guy, yeah, street gangs are racial but that's rather a poverty based class problem presented as cultural. When you go up and look at white collar folk, it suddenly disappears, look at this "gang" for example, check the names, English, Russian, Japanese, Turkish, Jewish, Chinese, Polish... This is globalism right in the face:
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posted January 10, 2015 01:27 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
Even today we've a lot of ghetto environments.. in the 60's we'd in our country a strong focus on... well not sure what it's called in English, so I'll call it bad traditions going through family generations. E.g. if someone was born poor, odds were they'd stay poor. If someone was born in a criminal environment, odds where they'd go to jail regularly.. and once people from all sorts of environments got mixed up these problems dissipated. Which makes it absurd that 30 years afterwards we were still putting people in nice boxes in their little own worlds, such as those ghetto's that were set up back then.
Obviously if people don't have opportunities to work, then they will get stuck and all clustered up in "ghettos". I think living in such a place should be temporary thing, like for students and people who are new to the country, but since people get unemployed and addicted to welfare checks, many never leave.
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xerox said:
I don't really perceive this as a problem.
There is same in France: you will have a tiny percentage of intellectuals support the Muslims as they were their flesh and blood. But if you type in goggle "Muslims in Sweden" the reality suddenly is same as here: disturbing.
Except France is one of the most racist countries in Europe. And just now we've seen the results of that hate.
Most Swedes want to keep immigration at its current level or liberalize it further. However, there's a significant minority (abouy 40%) which wants to restrict it in some way. Thus far however, out anti-immigration party hasn't become as large as its siblings in other European countries. In contrast to many other governments, our centre-right liberal conservative government did not adapt to anti-immigration policies just because a new party got into parliament on those issues.
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