|
| Thread: Heroes VII |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 · NEXT» |
|
Purode
Tavern Dweller
|
posted October 23, 2013 03:09 PM |
|
|
Heroes VII
Hello everybody! 
Anyone of you know something about Heroes 7? Are there plans for it, or are there some "VIP news" from the continuation of that great game?
Thanks
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
posted October 23, 2013 03:17 PM |
|
|
|
War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
|
|
posted October 23, 2013 03:43 PM |
|
|
Storm-Giant said:
And one of our favourite VIPs, Elvin, started a speculation thread about the Potential Direction of the Factions 
I wouldn't call it entirely speculation perse. It might well be intended to poll us about what we wish to see in the future.
____________
Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted October 23, 2013 03:59 PM |
|
|
War-overlord said:
I wouldn't call it entirely speculation perse. It might well be intended to poll us about what we wish to see in the future.
Maybe, but it started as speculation, as Elvin explained:
Elvin said:
IbnWaliBarad said:
Reading this gave me a spasm.
So...It's been...announced....Or hinted? 
Or is it a simple speculation thread for the eventual future of the franchise (which may or may not exist)?
Sorry for that, added a 'potential' to avoid more spasms Everything points out that Ubi plans to expand on might&magic so H7 is only a matter of time. I made this thread to overview and discuss the faction evolution and see where it might lead next. If there is something official you can bet I will make some noise
____________
|
|
War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
|
|
posted October 23, 2013 04:14 PM |
|
|
I still say that implies polling as much as it does speculation.
In asking us to discuss the evolution, we are as much being polled in what we like and dislike about the events leading up to the current state of affairs. And in speculation where such thing might lead, we are as much expressing our opinion on where we would like to see that evolution go.
____________
Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
|
|
monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted October 24, 2013 10:21 PM |
|
|
to be honest, I don't like this craze with Heroes4, Heroes 5, Heroes6 and so on. It's not even a year since the last heroes game came on and now we want another one. Soon, we will want a new Heroes game each month
Must be because of how bad these "new" Heroes games really are that there's a constant need for a new one so soon. To date - albeit rarely - I still play Heroes 3 and enjoy it as much as in the beginning. To me, that was a quality Heroes game .... All these new ones? Just to make the days go by....
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted October 24, 2013 10:57 PM |
|
|
monere said:
to be honest, I don't like this craze with Heroes4, Heroes 5, Heroes6 and so on. It's not even a year since the last heroes game came on and now we want another one. Soon, we will want a new Heroes game each month
Well, considering H4 came out in 2002, H5 in 2006 and H6 in 2011, it's not like they come each year. Also, the last Heroes (6) was released 2 years ago, not one 
On top of that, H6 was rushed and "unfinished", leaving many of the fans not happy. It's normal people want another one
(Although they don't want another "bad" one )
____________
|
|
monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted October 24, 2013 11:02 PM |
|
|
You're right, it's 2 years since H6 came out. But still
Storm-Giant said:
monere said:
to be honest, I don't like this craze with Heroes4, Heroes 5, Heroes6 and so on. It's not even a year since the last heroes game came on and now we want another one. Soon, we will want a new Heroes game each month
Well, considering H4 came out in 2002, H5 in 2006 and H6 in 2011, it's not like they come each year. Also, the last Heroes (6) was released 2 years ago, not one
On top of that, H6 was rushed and "unfinished", leaving many of the fans not happy. It's normal people want another one
(Although they don't want another "bad" one)
|
|
Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted October 24, 2013 11:20 PM |
|
|
I don't trust Ubi, nor am I hoping that it will ever deliver a good Heroes game. The game companies in these times don't even care about the quality of a game. The only thing they're after is money.
Yea, I know it's a bit contradictory, cuz for a game to sell well it has to be good. But let me point out the facts: there has been no improvement in quality since H3. So I don't know if Ubi is mad or anything, all I know is that it hasn't delivered what the community asked for.
So, if you want a good game you have to make it yourself. Thank God for modding.
|
|
monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted October 24, 2013 11:23 PM |
|
|
That was exactly my thought. I just didn't want to sound so obvious so not to offend others
Stevie said:
I don't trust Ubi, nor am I hoping that it will ever deliver a good Heroes game. The game companies in these times don't even care about the quality of a game. The only thing they're after is money.
Yea, I know it's a bit contradictory, cuz for a game to sell well it has to be good. But let me point out the facts: there has been no improvement in quality since H3. So I don't know if Ubi is mad or anything, all I know is that it hasn't delivered what the community asked for.
So, if you want a good game you have to make it yourself. Thank God for modding.
|
|
Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted October 24, 2013 11:50 PM |
|
|
monere said:
That was exactly my thought. I just didn't want to sound so obvious so not to offend others
Truth will always offend anyone who clings to error. Don't be offended.
|
|
Gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
|
|
posted October 25, 2013 01:36 AM |
|
|
Stevie said:
Yea, I know it's a bit contradictory, cuz for a game to sell well it has to be good. But let me point out the facts: there has been no improvement in quality since H3. So I don't know if Ubi is mad or anything, all I know is that it hasn't delivered what the community asked for.
So, if you want a good game you have to make it yourself. Thank God for modding.
Tribes of the East might not have been the easiest or most friendly to mod, but even so, many people have made mods and custom maps that are easily as good as H3 mods and maps (in fact, some blokes decided to make it their life's work to remake H3 mods/ custom maps in H5... My hat off to them, that was the work of madmen). Really, once H5 TotE came out it basically equaled or bettered H3 in every respect besides the friendliness of its mod/ map making and the power of its RMG... and even then, if you were willing to deal with some clunkiness, you could get over those problems very, very easily. In other words, and this is in my opinion (not a scientific fact) I find that H5 TotE is the equal to, if not better of (Gameplay and faction uniqueness/ balance wise) H3, and if they had just fixed the editors it would have flat out been the best Heroes game in every respect. They didn't. Which was a disappointment. (My map editor/ creator is broken to the point where it doesn't work... at all. Won't even open. It's unfortunate.)
In other words, get everyone that worked on Tribes, put them in a room, throw money at them, and give them infinite coffee/ pizza until they make a good H7.
Original H5, H5 Hammers of fate and all of H6 together... is nowhere near as good as H3, I will admit, and that unfortunately seems to be the trend of the more recent Heroes games. Vanilla H5 was just the most unbalanced... ever. Also, there were a lot of annoying bugs and glitches throughout its existence, the story wasn't all that interesting and in places the campaign was downright impossible 9/10 times unless you got the exact right hero build (Inferno level three, here's looking at you). H6 I will compare to H4 as the game of the Ubi series that just changed too much, despite having a few interesting innovations like the tier system and area of control. Unfortunately, they also went and made everything mind numbingly slow and frustratingly broken/ clunky, the story was worse in many respects than H5 (so for the purpose of this example it failed at the one thing H4 did spectacularly at... the only ones that came close were those with Sandro, and I rate them better because they were "It's alright" mature story rather than "OMG tenage angst asjfhajcniug"... also, Sandro. ) and the bug fest was somehow worse. In other words, H6 was the disappointment child of the series.
Now then, on to H7... if they can make a game play feeling similar to the one in Tribes of the East, a story at least as good as the one in the Heroes Chronicles or the H6 Sandro DLC (We can NOT expect these writers to make anything close to the quality of H4 stories) and a user friendly map editor like they did in H3, then in my opinion, they will have succeeded in making the perfect successor to H3, and a damn good game to boot. This is a very unlikely scenario, I will admit, but I would be fine with the three tier system in another game as long as random skills come back, spells return to the mage guild and maps don't take ten hours apiece to finish. Just... Blah. There, rant is done. >.>
____________
Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
|
|
Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
|
|
posted October 25, 2013 01:40 AM |
|
|
well we do have heroes 5.5, i'm competly addicted to it with RPE mod + graphics enhancements from there or there.
I may be pessimist but i think it is very ilkely MMH7 will continue on the idea of MMH6 system, i mean, even the franchises's name has changed.
Who cares, Heroes 1, 2, 3, 3.5 & 5.5 completly rules !!!
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted October 25, 2013 12:05 PM |
|
|
I agree a lot with gnomes about TotE - in my opinion is one of the best Heroes out there - but with more flaws than just the editor - performance and lack of variety (In spells, adv map buildings, etc..) plus so much randomness...on the other hand, H3 had nearly no flaws, was either good, great or excelent in each aspect and was fun to play. It's hard to say something really bad about it
The BIG PROBLEM here is the fact that only TotE is great - yes, the second expansion. That means that many people played the vanilla game and got dissapointed - so many of those people either won't but the expansions or they won't have the same enthusiasm about it.
If H7 happens to be a good/great game on the release and not a crappy bugfest like H6, then it has high chances of being a successor of the legendary H3, imo.
____________
|
|
Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
|
|
posted October 25, 2013 04:58 PM |
|
|
Storm-Giant said:
on the other hand, H3 had nearly no flaws, was either good, great or excelent in each aspect and was fun to play.
While I'm a Heroes3 zealot, I do have to admit it does have its flaws. Some skills were downright broken on the positive side of the spectrum (Expert Earth due to Town Portal and Resurrection; Expert Air due to Dimension Door; Mass Haste & Slow was also extremely powerful) or downright broken on the negative side of the spectrum (First Aid and Eagle Eye were basically useless skills).
I strictly play Heroes3 (or any of its derivatives, like Chronicles) as single player, never multi player, and I admit that I abuse expert Earth and Air magic in those sessions, but I still feel they implemented the whole Town Portal concept as well as Single vs. Mass spells better in Heroes6.
|
|
Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
|
|
posted October 25, 2013 05:10 PM |
|
|
Maurice said:
Storm-Giant said:
on the other hand, H3 had nearly no flaws, was either good, great or excelent in each aspect and was fun to play.
While I'm a Heroes3 zealot, I do have to admit it does have its flaws. Some skills were downright broken on the positive side of the spectrum (Expert Earth due to Town Portal and Resurrection; Expert Air due to Dimension Door; Mass Haste & Slow was also extremely powerful) or downright broken on the negative side of the spectrum (First Aid and Eagle Eye were basically useless skills).
I strictly play Heroes3 (or any of its derivatives, like Chronicles) as single player, never multi player, and I admit that I abuse expert Earth and Air magic in those sessions, but I still feel they implemented the whole Town Portal concept as well as Single vs. Mass spells better in Heroes6.
But thats game balance more than anything. And we can't ask for a perfect balance on the release, can we?
The skill system wasn't the best, but it was a good improvement over H2, with old and new abilities. And it was fun
But to make my point entirely clear, when I say "H3 had no flaws" I don't look at the specifics but the overall picture - good skill system, awesome number of towns, great variety of creatures, good campaigns, great map editor, great soundtrack, lots of spells, artifacts and adv map locations, improvements like hero speciality, etc...
____________
|
|
Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
|
|
posted October 25, 2013 10:36 PM |
|
|
Storm-Giant said:
If H7 happens to be a good/great game on the release
That's the tricky part =)
|
|
MaximB
Tavern Dweller
|
|
posted December 01, 2013 12:48 PM |
|
|
Purode said:
Hello everybody!
Anyone of you know something about Heroes 7? Are there plans for it, or are there some "VIP news" from the continuation of that great game?
Thanks
As long as it will be a different team from HoMM6, I'm good.
HoMM6 was a major downgrade from HoMM5 (which in turn was a downgrade from HoMM3).
____________
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted December 01, 2013 01:09 PM |
|
|
MaximB said:
As long as it will be a different team from HoMM6, I'm good.
HoMM6 was a major downgrade from HoMM5 (which in turn was a downgrade from HoMM3).
Not exactly. H5 had a number of good points over H3 like a better-structured and more fun skill system, a deeper combat system, alternative upgrades, sim turns and more distinctive faction gameplay amongst others. Of course it also had some bad aspects like randomness overkill, a bad RMG and a slow creeping full of exploits that led to lengthier games.
H6 on the other hand had a smoother gameplay and further evolved gameplay by adding unit magical damage, magic defense affecting enemy buffs, boarding boats no longer consuming your movement, loads of artifacts, downplayed the imbalance of logistics etc etc. But that could in no way make up for the streamlining of the adventure map, lack of locations/factions/sim turns or RMG, a really bad map editor and the amount of bugs.
Each title had its strong points, some superior to those of H3 but overall H6 fell short and H5 didn't work for everyone. Some prefer it to H3, others don't. In a way it is similar to the H2 vs H3 debate, while H3 had more content some people prefer H2 for other reasons.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
|
posted December 01, 2013 01:53 PM |
|
|
|
Like Elvin, I also think HoMM 4 is the best game!
|
| |
|
|
