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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features This Popular Thread is 260 pages long: 1 30 60 90 120 150 180 210 240 ... 252 253 254 255 256 ... 260 · «PREV / NEXT»
raistlinazure
raistlinazure

Tavern Dweller
posted July 11, 2017 08:34 PM

markmasters said:
raistlinazure said:
Hello guys

Heroes 3 is the best game ever in my opinion but as you say there are still so many unbalanced skills and spells in it.

One of these skills is diplomacy... I play hota and want to ban this unblockable skill from the game. can someone say how?


I think many of us agree on it begin the best game

The skill can't be deleted as far as I know, but if you open the map editor you can go to secondary skills and make sure it can't be picked in a game.

Also HOTA somewhat balanced the matter by making sure that none of the heroes that would start with diplomacy do not start with those skills (Ryland for example)


I opened the editor and deleted diplomacy. but ı opened castle with Adela and she still had diplomacy.

if I delete 3 diplmacy heroes from the game. then everything will be okay?
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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Supreme Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted July 11, 2017 08:48 PM

Diplomacy is completely broken.
Level 1-5 units joining is fine, level 6 is questionable, but level 7 is close to game breaking. I don't know what developers where thinking. I guess it would be fine if you always had to pay for joiners, but getting a huge stack of free joiners, makes everything else look bad. Hmm Learning or Diplomacy?, tough choice...

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Famous Hero
posted July 11, 2017 09:14 PM

phoenix4ever said:
Diplomacy is completely broken.
I don't know what developers where thinking.


When Restoration of Eratia came out, there was no such thing as random maps. Only map editor for less or more gifted mapmakers. So, h3 secondary skills system were written with intend for making custom maps. At custom maps even Eagle Eye could be helpfull in the hands of clever mapmaker. Random maps came with Armageddon's Blade, year later.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted July 11, 2017 10:27 PM

raistlinazure said:
... those kind of games depend on luck mostly.
"Luck always shine for the well prepared" Gomunguls
I was talking about them having "thousands of joiners", btw.
In my last (and first) map, I use Diplomacy a lot but I buffed AI with better heroes, more starting army and resources, much more banks and events giving resources and increasing weekly growth of creatures.

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raistlinazure
raistlinazure

Tavern Dweller
posted July 11, 2017 10:34 PM

is there anyone who can give useful information how to ban diplomacy from the game?
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Gruk_
Gruk_

Tavern Dweller
posted July 11, 2017 11:45 PM

raistlinazure said:
is there anyone who can give useful information how to ban diplomacy from the game?


For random maps, RMG Template Editor will allow you to disable any secondary skill you don't like.

The same goes for artifacts, spells, heroes, towns, and objects on the map.

And of course, for non random maps, you can already do it using Map Editor.

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P4R4D0X0N
P4R4D0X0N


Famous Hero
posted July 12, 2017 02:32 AM
Edited by P4R4D0X0N at 02:34, 12 Jul 2017.

I agree with lvl7 creatures and diplomacy. I played a map with strong monsters and cleared it over some months. When I reached the limit of ~225 black dragons on my drakageddon army on diplomacy... "150 black dragons want to join your army" without any money or anything else. At this point the game was won anyway but still its kinda OP 150+ dragons joining for free.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted July 12, 2017 03:10 AM
Edited by bloodsucker at 03:13, 12 Jul 2017.

P4R4D0X0N said:
I agree with lvl7 creatures and diplomacy...At this point the game was won anyway but still its kinda OP 150+ dragons joining for free.
When I started playing HotA my random maps would be most often from Twenty Five template, I could get tons of joiners but they were mostly level 3 to 5, lots of pirates and sea witches, some enchanters and Efreet Sultans, there were almost no level 7 neutrals. With the one I got with the last install, I not sure about the template and since the beginning of this year I been working exclusively on my map and played Chaos and Corruption, from Erathianer for testing purposes and meanwhile I trade the computer so I can't verify but with that one yes, I would end up having dozens of groups of level 7 joiners. These templates are on of the reasons I said "I even felt HotA to be pretty much made for Diplomacy", the other being how easy it is to get it with both Cove classes. Playing random I often couldn't avoid to pick it with Corkes, always my main.  

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Orrinisthebest
Orrinisthebest


Hired Hero
posted July 12, 2017 07:39 AM

raistlinazure said:
is there anyone who can give useful information how to ban diplomacy from the game?

If im not mistaken HW 1.38 ( its a set of rules) makes you unable to recruit neutral monsters, not sure about AI though, youll have to test it. Just google it,install the plugin ( both of you) and i hope it will work.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted July 12, 2017 11:03 AM

@Orrinisthebest You're right and I am sure about the rest, it doesn't affect AI. Why care? Those rules were created for the high level competition, those guys don't care AI has four times their army.In all the hundreds, if not thousands, of hours I spent watching multiplayer matches on Twitch, only once I saw a human beat by an AI.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted July 12, 2017 12:04 PM

Quote:
I don't know what developers where thinking.


I bet they were thinking, when you're a kid new to the game and you get dragons joining for free, kid is happy, game is fun.
Then if you can't beat AI (I don't speak for you) maybe lower difficulty settings.
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Ghost
Ghost


Supreme Hero
Therefore I am
posted July 12, 2017 12:18 PM

You need diplomacy in http://www.celestialheavens.com/search2.php?map_name=illusion+world+iii&author_name=&size=&nr_players=&playing_type=&version=&sort_by=map_name&order=asc&multiplayer=&month=&year=&minimaps=on&results1=20&page=1&action=search&submit=Search A witch hut give a diplomacy, because AI is hard opponent, and they destroy a netural monster, before you have a time to join with monsters, but a game isn't easy. A good and funny map. I've played without diplomacy

Other what? Diplomacy versus Necromancy, since a strategy (the spirit of the game) belong to Castle, Rampart, and Tower. They own defence with diplomacy. If AI could good player, and hire a death knight, or necromancer then. But AI's army never has grown. Otherwise a banned necromancy Player hasn't own thumb, he or she doesn't know about force field, berserk, blinding, etc
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted July 12, 2017 01:13 PM

Galaad said:
you get dragons joining for free, kid is happy, game is fun.
Thx, long time no one calls me a kid.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted July 12, 2017 01:22 PM

bloodsucker said:
Thx, long time no one calls me a kid.



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P4R4D0X0N
P4R4D0X0N


Famous Hero
posted July 13, 2017 12:21 AM

bloodsucker said:
P4R4D0X0N said:
I agree with lvl7 creatures and diplomacy...At this point the game was won anyway but still its kinda OP 150+ dragons joining for free.
When I started playing HotA my random maps would be most often from Twenty Five template, I could get tons of joiners but they were mostly level 3 to 5, lots of pirates and sea witches, some enchanters and Efreet Sultans, there were almost no level 7 neutrals. With the one I got with the last install, I not sure about the template and since the beginning of this year I been working exclusively on my map and played Chaos and Corruption, from Erathianer for testing purposes and meanwhile I trade the computer so I can't verify but with that one yes, I would end up having dozens of groups of level 7 joiners. These templates are on of the reasons I said "I even felt HotA to be pretty much made for Diplomacy", the other being how easy it is to get it with both Cove classes. Playing random I often couldn't avoid to pick it with Corkes, always my main.  


It strongly depends on map actually, there are rarely some templates (I love these) with lots of artifacts and tons of strong monsters lvl5+ in high quantities. I've noticed its in most case dirt and underground terrain that are created in that manner. I always play without water. I personally loved on this map the red dragon caves were omnipresent in these underground areas too. so you could get all these dragons with ~2 Rampart towns from the interests you get there.

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MCB
MCB


Hired Hero
posted July 13, 2017 08:02 PM

Diplomacy is already nerfed in hota, at least in random maps. I think is a bad skill now.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Supreme Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted July 13, 2017 08:08 PM

What do you mean it's nerfed in HotA? Because of an extra faction or?

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MCB
MCB


Hired Hero
posted July 14, 2017 09:18 PM
Edited by MCB at 21:31, 14 Jul 2017.

Because in random maps there are no free joiners and even with diplomacy is more difficult to get joiners and for free never I think.
Edit: there are free joiners yes xd but still isn't that good than normal maps.

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Tito_Reni
Tito_Reni


Bad-mannered
Adventuring Hero
posted July 14, 2017 09:35 PM

FULL SPANISH TRANSLATION FOR HOTA (7/7/2017 VERSION)

When version 1.5 of HotA will be out, it would be translated as fast as possible.
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Famous Hero
posted July 15, 2017 08:33 AM

Good to hear that. So now we have two localized version (except russian and english of course). Spanish and polish (without translated campaigns yet).

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