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Thread: New graphics for WoG This thread is 17 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 · «PREV / NEXT»
fred79
fred79


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted January 26, 2018 07:58 PM

Salamandre said:
I sent you by PM all millidor objects I have, as I uploaded today at Ivorrus request. So you don't have to download low quality from here, get the originals in big size and do whatever you want with.


i did something stupid and deleted the larger image of the millidor trees a month ago(since i'm adding them using the smaller image), and i was wondering if you still had that file(or the whole set of millidor objects, since i can find that image again myself). i need it to help with avatar's project, and i can't find the trees anywhere online(except for one image that only display a few trees that i would have to cut manually).

i know it's probably a long shot(given how long it's been), but i figured i'd ask.

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Salamandre
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posted January 26, 2018 08:16 PM

uh, no, new hard disk, nothing from old graphics

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fred79
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted January 26, 2018 08:20 PM
Edited by fred79 at 22:07, 26 Jan 2018.

i figured as much; it's been 3 years. i'll see if i have the image on an old back up. thanks.


edit: i found it. i hadn't deleted it as i had thought; just forgot where i had put the files originally. if you need the millidor images again, i can make an upload for you, sal.

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Archer30
Archer30


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posted April 23, 2020 03:08 PM
Edited by Archer30 at 15:09, 23 Apr 2020.

Sorry for necroposting. Does anyone still have the map object shared by Sal? Link from the first post is dead. Thanks!

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted February 11, 2021 06:52 PM

Wow finally someone actually remade all those recolors and ripped ugly WoG objects and creatures graphics with new 3D ren- oh wait, that.... did not really happen.... for creatures mainly.
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Salamandre
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posted February 11, 2021 07:01 PM

Whats the point in constantly trolling wog threads and concept? Do something yourself if not satisfied with quality.

Oh wait, you won't.
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FirePaladin
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posted February 11, 2021 07:03 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 19:04, 11 Feb 2021.

I wasn't really trolling tbh. Just disappointed (and joining the VW challenge too). It's been like 20 years, someone must have done it.

Edit: Although I do apologize for my seemingly troll-y attitude heh.
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Salamandre
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posted February 11, 2021 07:08 PM

WoG modders uploaded about 1500 new creatures ripped from other game using 3D max tool, means the best quality possible. They are available in Era mods.

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=33249

What you want then?

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FirePaladin
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posted February 11, 2021 07:14 PM

I want 100% faithful H3 graphics (and those ripped creatures don't qualify, they have lots of flaws, from material to lighting and proportions, as well as animations). And I mainly meant level 8 and messengers remakes. Sorry if I come as offensive to some, I'm just very picky when it comes to visuals especially (as many other people are nowadays, apparently). At least I'm helping a few modders with graphics in order to keep the mods' quality higher as much as possible and to help "fight" such an issue.
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Salamandre
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posted February 11, 2021 07:17 PM

What about, for fairness purposes, you don't go also bicker in Hota thread about they not creating any further customization on adventure map, same seer huts, same events, same creatures abilities, same skills, same etc. Then see the response, probably same as I give here.


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FirePaladin
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posted February 11, 2021 07:22 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 19:23, 11 Feb 2021.

Ah well, I'm in a more sensible, diplomatic situation with HotA at this moment (although they're in a good place for what their scope is; +I know how hard it is to make new high-quality content like that, I experience it myself firsthand, it's legit tough). Besides, there wouldn't necessarily be a need for them to add that....
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Salamandre
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posted February 11, 2021 08:46 PM

Yes, exactly, they clearly and explicitly wrote what they stand for and what is their aim.
Hijacking their thread again and again about what FirePaladin or Salamandre wants would look tasteless, right?

Let me quote for you, what the introduction to wog says about what WoG stands for and what is its aim:

ERM stands for Event Related Model and is dedicated to Heroes3: Shadow of Death game and add-on.
ERM is a new technology that makes possible dynamically changing the map objects' properties as a result of certain player's (including computer) actions. It essentially offers scripting (programing) posibility. Some default script files ensure WoG enhancements as described in the latest version info, but ERM also gives the basic game user access to creating its own scripts to add his own imagination and flavor to the game.

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FirePaladin
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posted February 11, 2021 08:58 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 21:00, 11 Feb 2021.

It's not about us "spamming" their thread lol. It's been like this for months for me, not as if I don't like their work though, I even gave them a helping hand once (I don't help anyone whose work I dislike after all; there could be exceptions, but it never happened to me yet).

And yes, I know very clearly what WoG/ERA is and what it stands for (I can't say the same about possibly many people reading this or visiting the H3 section heh).
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VMaiko
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posted February 11, 2021 09:50 PM

FirePaladin said:
I want 100% faithful H3 graphics (and those ripped creatures don't qualify, they have lots of flaws, from material to lighting and proportions, as well as animations). And I mainly meant level 8 and messengers remakes. Sorry if I come as offensive to some, I'm just very picky when it comes to visuals especially (as many other people are nowadays, apparently). At least I'm helping a few modders with graphics in order to keep the mods' quality higher as much as possible and to help "fight" such an issue.


FirePaladin, Fred's objects may be the key, it would also be interesting to contact him privately and get more objects from him, these for me are the most faithful to the original game that have existed, I don't know where he gets those collections but worth it, maybe there are ripped so cheeky and officially seen in well-known games such as Cossacks, Caesar III or Age of Empires but they are objects that even I will not give a use to create from scratch because it is out of context in ERA.

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RerryR
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posted February 11, 2021 09:53 PM

You gotta be careful in which garden you piss, there could be a dog barking back at you.
You know and I can understand it, you cannot just come in a old WoG thread and say: "Well that ain't so pretty lul".
These graphics were made like 10 years ago and at that time nobody really cared how they looked, it was enough that we could create our own stuff and put it in the game. Playing around and being creative.
Just because it is now the year 2021 everybody thinks it is okay to snow on the old WoG, but most of these people know very little from the history of modding H3.

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FirePaladin
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posted February 11, 2021 09:55 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 22:00, 11 Feb 2021.

I was planning to contact him or ask someone as to how much of it is his work indeed (and whether he ripped HotA objects or not).

Edit: I doubt he made more objects ever since he released his archive though, and I don't feel like asking him to make more either after all he's been through.
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treth
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posted February 11, 2021 10:12 PM

RerryR said:
[...] you cannot just come in a old WoG thread and say: "Well that ain't so pretty lul".
These graphics were made like 10 years ago and at that time nobody really cared how they looked, it was enough that we could create our own stuff and put it in the game.

And in ten years time nobody looked back to reflect on that. Nobody involved in more or less official development of WoG or Era bothered to address outdated assets and concepts. Few years back I wanted to point to that issue I was shunned for even suggesting replacement of bad quality, legacy content to bring it up at least somewhat close to modern standards.

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Salamandre
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posted February 11, 2021 10:19 PM

treth said:
somewhat close to modern standards.


Well, modern standards in Era are dozens of abilities for each creature, spells with dozens of effects, unlimited map adventure interactive objects, heroes with never seen before specialties developing on a multiple path pattern, and so many more. We are in 2021, modern games have all of that and much more, right?

When will Hota try to match "modern standards"?

You see the irony.

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FirePaladin
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posted February 11, 2021 10:23 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 22:24, 11 Feb 2021.

Graphics are an included part of the standards (and as such, WoG ends up below H3 in terms of visuals; not to mention the unnecessary, unfitting skill icon replacement, from H2 I think). And again, the standards are those of an H3 expansion for HotA, which can be different for other ERA mods' standards, in a non-graphical way.

And I think he was talking about modern standards for the HoMM3 community itself (as well as its mods), not just ERA, which was left behind in those regards from the beginning of this "evolution".
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Salamandre
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posted February 11, 2021 10:30 PM

VMaiko said:
it is out of context in ERA.


There is no such thing as "out of context". Once you have the ability of scripting role playing environment, you need a database of objects emphasizing your story. A modder should not have his hands tied to Homm3 atmosphere, he must be able to imagine any universe he likes, then materialize it. It's a matter of individualism, not some ideology.

HERE is Homm3 editor used and modified to support a different background of ideas, does it look "out of context"?
It exactly suits to the context it is used for.

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