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Sandro400
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posted January 21, 2015 06:44 PM

verriker said:
I actually would concede the point without any further argument if you have some evidence,
I don't just accept hearsay from a random biased member as fact though sorry lol

looking at Black Hole's testimony that H6 didn't sell 2 million copies, how cheap those spinoffs you mentioned actually are, and Heroes 7 now cutting every corner in the graphics, it's not easy to believe they actually earned a decent budget


Calm down already, you don't need to be sorry I too find it hard to believe, so you certainly have a point. But if H6 was a disaster, we wouldn't be talking about H7 tbh.

BH? You mean that "letter" from random biased member from bankropted company, according to which it's Ubi's fault in everything? I'm pretty surprised you believe it, 'cos neither BH nor Ubi afaik verified that claim and even the fact that that man worked for them
Certainly they're cutting graphics and that's very good. If they had thrown all money on visuals we'll most likely see H6 2.0 and that's a creepy thought. But, as I tried to explain, after H6 we got 4 more games, so yes, probably it had good sales
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posted January 21, 2015 06:48 PM

Sandro400 said:
BH? You mean that "letter" from random biased member from bankropted company, according to which it's Ubi's fault in everything? I'm pretty surprised you believe it, 'cos neither BH nor Ubi afaik verified that claim and even the fact that that man worked for them

Erwan Le Breton verified himself it was post from BH employee.
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posted January 21, 2015 06:50 PM

Avonu said:
Sandro400 said:
BH? You mean that "letter" from random biased member from bankropted company, according to which it's Ubi's fault in everything? I'm pretty surprised you believe it, 'cos neither BH nor Ubi afaik verified that claim and even the fact that that man worked for them

Erwan Le Breton verified himself it was post from BH employee.

Jezus verified Erwan on this.
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posted January 21, 2015 06:52 PM

Pawek_13 said:

Look for the light purple limbs next to its eyes. Aren't these their "arms"?


i think they're supposed to be, but since they're lacking joints and are clearly immobile (other than the base) they clearly can't be but are rather mandibles or an extra pair of fangs (for some obviously stupid reason). the foremost legs should be it's "arms" but since they exactly like the rest, just smaller, it feels they should just add one pair of legs.

once again:

spiders have 10 appendages. the last pair on the "death tick" having turned into fully fledged, albeit smaller, legs rather than what they are supposed to be.

this really irks me the wrong way.

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posted January 21, 2015 06:56 PM

Yet on this picture, it has 8 legs.
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posted January 21, 2015 06:57 PM
Edited by Sandro400 at 19:18, 21 Jan 2015.

Avonu said:
Erwan Le Breton verified himself it was post from BH employee.


Hm. Certainly missed it, but, probably, if I ask "where" you'll answer "to me during meeting" or something like that, so I won't ask

On a serious note, it's quite possible that BH's claim is true, considering how big a corporation Ubi are, and they're certainly "business sharks". I remember that back in the day Nival also said something about problems with working with Ubi.

Grrrr guys. Spiders have 8 legs and the H7 too has 8 legs. They also have two "things" near mouth like small "arms" (don't know its name on Egnlish) and big fangs (14 on the picture).
EDIT: found it, num 1 are pedipalp, num 14 chelicera. Pedipalp serve different funtions, but chelicera are usually poisonous.
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posted January 21, 2015 07:02 PM
Edited by Pawek_13 at 19:05, 21 Jan 2015.

frostymuaddib said:
Yet on this picture, it has 8 legs.

Number one is the additional pair of limbs used to apply venom. The spider from Necro also has it. Just wait a few minutes and I will show you where.they are.

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posted January 21, 2015 07:02 PM

frostymuaddib said:
Yet on this picture, it has 8 legs.


see what the 1 is pointing to? yeah, that's what's missing. it's much smaller here, but still clearly visible yet it does not exist on the "death tick".

also, sorry if anyone has a fear of spiders.

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posted January 21, 2015 07:08 PM

kiryu133 said:
see what the 1 is pointing to? yeah, that's what's missing. it's much smaller here, but still clearly visible yet it does not exist on the "death tick".

also, sorry if anyone has a fear of spiders.


Look closely, right under eyes there're two big "fangs". That's 1. Now between them are chelicera, but they're "hidden" like they should be.
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posted January 21, 2015 07:14 PM
Edited by Protolisk at 19:18, 21 Jan 2015.

Spider drawing

Spider HoMM

It's got the appendages, don't worry.




Breaking news: HoMM fans care more about spider anatomy than I ever knew.

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posted January 21, 2015 07:18 PM
Edited by kiryu133 at 19:26, 21 Jan 2015.

Sandro400 said:


Look closely, right under eyes there're two big "fangs". That's 1. Now between them are chelicera, but they're "hidden" like they should be.


yeah, i'm aware, problem is that they're not pedipalps. since they're lacking joints and are clearly hardened it appears to be more like fangs or spikes or mandibles or something which is just stupid. even more infuriating considering the namtaru had pedipalps, so what happened?

thanks for looking the names up though. appreciated

Protolisk said:


Breaking news: HoMM fans care more about spider anatomy than I ever knew.


pffsh, this stuff has always been important to me. i mean shoot me for hating skyrim dragon designs since, you know, they would be completely incapable of flight or hating jurassic park raptors since, you know, they spread lies and slander about an animal already woefully missrepresented. same thing here. if you're gonna call it a spider, make it a spider.


in all honesty, other that the weird spikes on the skeleton, there isn't much else to complain about so you can be damn sure i'll complain about this. show me the pedipalps moving on the "death tick" without looking like mandibles or fangs and i'll be fine. but as of now? no pedipalps and extra pair of fangs. that ain't a spider.

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posted January 21, 2015 07:19 PM

What I dislike about Ashan necro:

The awesome liches of old becoming the goth version of uncle Lester with green spider legs growing from their back. Real scary.

Too monochromatic. I like toxic light green but I don't like seeing it overused. Same goes for grey.

Way overused spider theme. There is no subtlety, everything has a spider insignia, spider-themed equipment or spider legs on their back. I liked how the humanoid form of namtaru gives a spidery impression without actually being a spider but they just had to give her a blatant spider form in case we missed the connection. And now we get an actual spider, one of the most mundane, generic and overused creatures in fantasy.

Necropolis has a vast array of mythological creatures to choose from and we instead get a spider. I rest my case.

An H7 specific complaint. So we get ghosts in core, fine. But the exact same ones as in H6? Couldn't they have given them some non incorporeal-looking rags at least? Change their dress a bit? Their colour maybe?
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posted January 21, 2015 07:21 PM
Edited by Protolisk at 19:36, 21 Jan 2015.

kiryu133 said:

yeah, i'm aware, problem is that they're not pedipalps. since they're lacking joints and are clearly hardened it appears to be more like fangs or spikes or mandibles or something which is just stupid. even more infuriating considering the namtaru had pedipalps, so what happened?

thanks for looking the names up though. appreciated


Well, they are hardened, but, so are the legs and body. I can see a few ridges on the pedipalps that might make it look more like very small joints, but, yes, they do look more hardened and armored to the point that they could barely move. Then again, this is a fantasy spider, so perhaps it can still move those joints no matter how armored they appear?

Elvin said:

The awesome liches of old becoming the goth version of uncle Lester with green spider legs growing from their back. Real scary.


Are we sure they still look like this? I know they said "things will look similar" but the Skeleton doesn't look all that similar to me. The ghost sure does, though. Perhaps they will still float, but maybe they will remove the spider leg things and swap the head for a skeletal one?

Elvin said:
Too monochromatic. I like toxic light green but I don't like seeing it overused. Same goes for grey.

I see lots of blues, purples, with little greens (except for the ghost), along with metallic greys. Not so bad color wise.

Elvin said:
Way overused spider theme. There is no subtlety, everything has a spider insignia, spider-themed equipment or spider legs on their back. I liked how the humanoid form of namtaru gives a spidery impression without actually being a spider but they just had to give her a blatant spider form in case we missed the connection. And now we get an actual spider, one of the most mundane, generic and overused creatures in fantasy.


They seem to be removing the strange armored spider-legs from Anastasia. Though true, she has a spider amulet, but we don't see much of her staff or other spidery equipment. There has been a growing "spider" version of the cults for a while. but there is Sandro, who I believe is going away from spiders in general due to his nethermancy. By H5, you have Markal, who is Sandro's student, as the main Necro guy, and although the faction symbol was a spider, I saw no spiders until Arantir showed up, and even then it wasn't a whole bunch.

Also, how much of undead isn't generic. What else do we have? Skeletons? Ghosts? Liches? Vampires? And that's just undead. Dwarves? Elves? Dragons? Please tell me you don't think these are not stereotypical too, because that'd be hypocrisy.

Elvin said:
Necropolis has a vast array of mythological creatures to choose from and we instead get a spider. I rest my case.



A vast, and equally stereotypical, array of creatures. Unless you go the obscure route, of course, in which case many people would be wondering where the undead staples are.

Elvin said:
An H7 specific complaint. So we get ghosts in core, fine. But the exact same ones as in H6? Couldn't they have given them some non incorporeal-looking rags at least? Change their dress a bit? Their colour maybe?


Yeah, this is pretty dumb, they could have fiddled with it more. I don't know.

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posted January 21, 2015 07:21 PM

I think you mean Uncle Fester there, Elvin.
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posted January 21, 2015 07:24 PM

Sandro400 said:
Avonu said:
Erwan Le Breton verified himself it was post from BH employee.


Hm. Certainly missed it, but, probably, if I ask "where" you'll answer "to me during meeting" or something like that, so I won't ask


You are correct.
But you can ask Marzhin if what I post (and what I remember) is true or not - he was on MMDays in Poland in 20.06.2012 too and also answered lots questions (mainly about lore but not only).


EDIT:
*sigh*
While these three points about: "why we don't spend moar money on Heroes 7 and we will re-use what we can from Heroes 5-6 and Dark Messiah in Ubisoft's newer games" are laughable, especially when you remember how liches look nearly "identical" in HoMM5 and in HoMM6 , after reading fans posts and comments... I am really losing any interest in any future activity on the official blog or here.
Don't get me wrong, I love hating Ubisoft (and they earned this approch from us, hard), but even for me some hated things are just too much, too silly and unimportant.
I translated (and thus read) Greg Fulton words about what has happened during 2 weeks after first information about the Forge town was published and guess what? Nothing has changed since 1999:

Greg Fulton said:
The 3DO Heroes message board has less tact than the Usenet. If I were a novice looking for information on Heroes, and I read the message board, I would deduce the following, “Heroes of Might and Magic is a buggy product with ugly art, a bad story, terrible scenarios, stupid AI, and unplayable multi-player features.” With comments such as these, I honestly wonder if the people posting on the message board are Heroes fans or employees from other companies trying to tear down our product.

I would implore the fans to make the message board a community. Stop insulting one another. Play nice. Agree to disagree.

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posted January 21, 2015 07:25 PM
Edited by Sandro400 at 19:35, 21 Jan 2015.

kiryu133 said:
yeah, i'm aware, problem is that they're not pedipalps. since they're lacking joints and are clearly hardened it appears to be more like fangs or spikes or mandibles or something which is just stupid. even more infuriating considering the namtaru had pedipalps, so what happened?

thanks for looking the names up though. appreciated


I think they're jointed, but that's kinda hard to see due to 3D-model. Anyway, given their big size, pedipalp might have mutated. We're talking about supernatural animals here
Also those spiders might be female 'cos big, complex pedipalp usually belong to males.

You're welcome

EDIT: Avonu - Oh no, I don't have any issues with trust. I believe you and totally agree about your words about message boards ;-)
P.S.: Now I understand why people here love editing - no more then 20 posts per day
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posted January 21, 2015 07:37 PM

Sandro400 said:

P.S.: Now I understand why people here love editing - no more then 20 posts per day

People with red stars aplenty don't have a 20-a-day post limit. They have a "no more than one post every minute"-limit.

If you wanna talk more, get yerself some red stars.
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posted January 21, 2015 07:40 PM

Sandro400 said:


I think they're jointed, but that's kinda hard to see due to 3D-model. Anyway, given their big size, pedipalp might have mutated. We're talking about supernatural animals here  


as i said in an earlier response (that got buried, lol) if it shows in animation or another picture that they are indeed pedipalps, i'll be fine. but it really doesn't look like it in this picture, and it's messing me up .


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posted January 21, 2015 08:29 PM

War-overlord said:
I think you mean Uncle Fester there, Elvin.


We all know that liches actuallly resemble Uncle Erwan


Also, no offense to Marzhin, but I believe that all "h6 sold better" and "non-hardcore fans liked h6 nuclear waste better" are just bluffing. And don't get me started on game ratings. Ubi is a giant, not some obscure indie company, we all know the stories and I'm almost certain they use some "unorthodox" tactics.

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posted January 21, 2015 08:35 PM
Edited by RMZ1989 at 20:39, 21 Jan 2015.

So, out of all cool possible Necropolis creatures for tier 1, we get... Spiders? The color scheme and design of these units are much better than in H6, but come on... Spiders...

It seriously couldn't get more dull than this. Any other Necro cliche creature(Mummy, Zombie, Ghoul, Skeletal Beastman or something...) would be better than this.

EDIT: Also, calling upgraded Ghost a Banshee is also quite bad, especially because of other Ubisoft games where Banshees were known to be a lot more powerful than core units(Heroes 5, Duel of Champions etc).

At least Skeleton looks really good compared to other versions.
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