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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
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posted September 20, 2014 12:04 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
The second one is the MMX one.
So the Druid really can look completely different, the only thing having in common is that it's an elf mage with a staff.
both are really that bad. The H5 one is much better.
I guess Druids will, from one of the best units in H5 to one of the worst in H7. 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 20, 2014 12:08 PM |
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I agree, the Druid in H5 was one of the most epic models, in fact both alternate upgrades with the Deer and Wolf head, respectively, were absolutely amazing. Both of the new druid artworks just look extremely bland. And that's not even going into the problem of having a female Druid when the concept of a Druid is taken from Celtic lore were, if I'm not mistaken, Druid was a male title (female equivalents were Priestesses).
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Arugaf
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 12:13 PM |
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Avonu said:
Not really.
The problem are not colours, the problem is wallpaper itself - it's just too crowded too see unit icons on it. Look at Haven line-up, it's hard to see them on this picture of elf. Your previous background (Ivan) was better.
I think I should wait until vote is over then.
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 12:16 PM |
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yes. Druid was a male title. Female Druids will be very awkward.
I disagree with creatures being bland this time though. We have some pretty awesome creatures. To name a few:
male priests, angels, rakshasas, titans, mages?, and if implemented, Blade Dancers.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 20, 2014 12:18 PM |
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When I talked about bland creatures I was referring to either of the druid artworks shown so far (MMX one and H7 one).
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted September 20, 2014 12:22 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
where else did you see that awesome blade dancer?he was not picked from any other game. even if he is picked from stock, they made him for a game that might come. like H7.
i am specifically talking about this unit.
You would have to ask Marzhin about that. It may be done for H7, it might have been some unused artwork from MMX or an unused Ashan Compendium art. It might have been everything at once.
ChrisD1 said:
they make us vote for the things we like. how much farfetched is my "speculation" about him being popular so they are keeping him? come on now, don't throw shade at this blade dancer,saying he might look different.
The vote is for the idea, the general concept. That's why why didn't get ANY visuals in the first place. The authors thought that the general idea will be enough, but there was also a bit of confusion there, like not knowing whether the Dragon is winged, the Dryad similar to the Pixie, or the Phoenix red.
ChrisD1 said:
especially when people went frantic about how ugly the dryad looks. where were you then to say that nothing is final?
I thought that the big sign saying "NOT ACTUAL M&M HEROES VII ART!" was enough, but It seems I was wrong. Not only it's "not final" - it's not even an "alpha" version.
It's not Heroes VII artwork.
How can anyone say it more clearly?
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 12:23 PM |
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 20, 2014 12:47 PM |
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I'm pretty sure the blade dancer will not look like that art but closer to H5 version instead. It almost looks like he would be a better fit for a Dungeon.
I think the final version will be MUCH different.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 20, 2014 12:57 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
cleglaw said:
i have to admit this unicorn looks really cool than i expected (...)
Why do people keep thinking that those images show units from Heroes VII, when it CLEARLY states, that these images ARE NOT Heroes VII artworks?
Same applies to the Bladedancers, although some Balance voters went for Fury because of it.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 01:04 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
I thought that the big sign saying "NOT ACTUAL M&M HEROES VII ART!" was enough, but It seems I was wrong. Not only it's "not final" - it's not even an "alpha" version.
It's not Heroes VII artwork.
How can anyone say it more clearly?
where were you when everyone attacked dryads for being too similar to mizu kamis?why didn't you then point out what you are pointing out now?
my point here is that there is this blade dancer that looks cool, it was made (or picked up) for us to envision the blade dancer in H7, although we know what a blade dancer was in ashan and we had that mmx blade dancer.
and now that is cool everyone says "oh it might look completely different don't believe it it's not final"
no one said the same things about dryad but they all said they were just horrid.
this blade dancer will have some tweaks here and there but it will look more like this one they gave us now, than any other work of blade dancer we already saw.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 01:08 PM |
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blizz said:
I'm pretty sure the blade dancer will not look like that art but closer to H5 version instead. It almost looks like he would be a better fit for a Dungeon.
I think the final version will be MUCH different.
then why did they provide this artwork? come on you are trolling now and you know it.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 20, 2014 01:22 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
blizz said:
I'm pretty sure the blade dancer will not look like that art but closer to H5 version instead. It almost looks like he would be a better fit for a Dungeon.
I think the final version will be MUCH different.
then why did they provide this artwork? come on you are trolling now and you know it.
They actually put big disclaimers saying this is not the actual art. The current art is just old stuff they used to give us better impression of what we can expect.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 01:25 PM |
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blizz said:
They actually put big disclaimers saying this is not the actual art. The current art is just old stuff they used to give us better impression of what we can expect.
so we can expect something similar to the badass blade dancer and not the old one apparently. or else they would rework the old one that everybody hates since H5.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 20, 2014 02:01 PM |
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blizz said:
They actually put big disclaimers saying this is not the actual art. The current art is just old stuff they used to give us better impression of what we can expect.
It is true that there are disclaimers on the artwork saying it's not actual in-game art because no, it's not actual in-game art.
However, I refuse to believe that they've come so far in the development of the factions - even the ones that have been up for vote - that they haven't mate concept artworks of what they envision the creatures to look. And when they show us artworks for the creatures, it would only make sense for them to show us those exact concept artworks, there is no logical reason why they would show us an artwork of something that looked different than what they envision the creature to be.
Sure, there may be changes. There may be changes from original artwork based on decision of the developers, there may be changes caused by the transformation from artwork to in-game model, there might even be changes cause by feedback from us (although my hopes in this particular department is pretty small), but all that doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't make any sense but to interpret the artwork given here as the current best representation of what they envision the creatures to be. The only possible explanation I could see of this not being the case was if they didn't have any accurate artwork available and just chose to throw some random artwork up, but even for all the skepticism I have about Ubisoft's ability to make good decision, I don't think they are that stupid.
So on the bottomline, I think the artworks are relevant, and more importantly, I think discussion of them is relevant. Because now if ever is the time for us to object to things we don't like, because if we don't grasp at that straw now, the chance will certainly be gone once we get actual in-game models shown.
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted September 20, 2014 02:01 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
where were you when everyone attacked dryads for being too similar to mizu kamis?why didn't you then point out what you are pointing out now?
Since you asked a question, I will answer, but I don't see a point in continuing this matter.
I didn't notice any "hate" towards Dryads. I do not monitor the forums and/or comments 24/7. But even if I did - I do not believe it is my job to point out anything. I just thought that some comments are going definitely too far and some people might vote or change their vote based on artwork that is not made for the game. I also didn't concentrate on Blade Dancers - that was you. I was speaking about every art presented - bad or good - and gave several examples in several posts.
If you're suggesting that there's a conspiracy here and my only goal is to bash the option of your choice, then I really have nothing to say to that.
alcibiades said:
It is true that there are disclaimers on the artwork saying it's not actual in-game art because no, it's not actual in-game art.
No. The notice says it's not Heroes VII art. Not "in-game", not "out-game". "Not actual Heroes VII art." And in fact, it is not. It's MMX art, it's H6 art, it's H5 art, or general Ashan art. But not H7.
And the example of Druids shows that the developers really don't know whether the creature will be closer to H5 or MMX. It was just an aesthetic choice by Marzhin.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 20, 2014 02:04 PM |
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alcibiades said:
I agree, the Druid in H5 was one of the most epic models, in fact both alternate upgrades with the Deer and Wolf head, respectively, were absolutely amazing.
Right, H5 druids were really well done. I hope H7 ones don't dissapoint.
DoubleDeck said:
@Storm: nice one on playing H4 again!
Thank you 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 02:17 PM |
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alcibiades said:
blizz said:
They actually put big disclaimers saying this is not the actual art. The current art is just old stuff they used to give us better impression of what we can expect.
It is true that there are disclaimers on the artwork saying it's not actual in-game art because no, it's not actual in-game art.
However, I refuse to believe that they've come so far in the development of the factions - even the ones that have been up for vote - that they haven't mate concept artworks of what they envision the creatures to look. And when they show us artworks for the creatures, it would only make sense for them to show us those exact concept artworks, there is no logical reason why they would show us an artwork of something that looked different than what they envision the creature to be.
Sure, there may be changes. There may be changes from original artwork based on decision of the developers, there may be changes caused by the transformation from artwork to in-game model, there might even be changes cause by feedback from us (although my hopes in this particular department is pretty small), but all that doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't make any sense but to interpret the artwork given here as the current best representation of what they envision the creatures to be. The only possible explanation I could see of this not being the case was if they didn't have any accurate artwork available and just chose to throw some random artwork up, but even for all the skepticism I have about Ubisoft's ability to make good decision, I don't think they are that stupid.
So on the bottomline, I think the artworks are relevant, and more importantly, I think discussion of them is relevant. Because now if ever is the time for us to object to things we don't like, because if we don't grasp at that straw now, the chance will certainly be gone once we get actual in-game models shown.
I totally agree with this.
If it didn't made any sense for the art to be there, it wouldn't have been. I think the devs know best what they have in mind, and choosing something that is not actually Heroes 7, but can give a pretty good idea about the concept, is something that is good for the voting process. People may not like a concept or like another better. That definitely has an effect on the way they vote. So I don't understand the reasoning behind art being irrelevant as long as the devs consider it relevant enough to be shown to the voters.
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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 02:30 PM |
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Edited by Raelag84 at 14:36, 20 Sep 2014.
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Dang it. I can't get into the heroes 7 website ether. I hope it wasn't hacked.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 20, 2014 02:38 PM |
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Paranoia levels over 9000 incoming! 
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 02:52 PM |
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Can't wait for this voting to end so people stop talking about Sylvan, lol.
It's sad tho that Inferno probably won't make it either, cause when you think about it, there's no way Dungeon won't win this.
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