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Stevie
Stevie


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posted April 09, 2016 07:35 PM
Edited by Stevie at 19:42, 09 Apr 2016.

Is it even possible to be prejudiced about Ubisoft? Wouldn't that just translate to fact right away?
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fred79
fred79


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Undefeatable Hero
posted April 09, 2016 07:41 PM

Darkem said:
Can we stop complaining and just wait for Ubi to show us something? We have nothing to criticize yet, so we shouldn't be preconceived.


you can if you want. everyone else has to continually get it out of their system, or they'll explode. that kinda thing happens when you pay for a snow product that doesn't deliver what was promised. or when, say, a company flushes a series down the drain.

as for the "preconceived" part, i think we already know what to expect from ubisoft. especially regarding the "heroes" franchise.

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Avonu
Avonu


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Embracing light and darkness
posted April 09, 2016 07:43 PM

Stevie said:
So much so that we received a brief but timely visit from Gomaki, Oakwarrior and Ubi-Nox to confirm more things they would've imagined, but it just pains me deeply to see them doing so on business grounds only. Why aren't you here with us more?


*looks at last few posts*

Yes, I wonder why they are not eager to visit HC anymore.

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Datapack
Datapack


Famous Hero
posted April 09, 2016 07:47 PM

Avonu said:


*looks at last few posts*

Yes, I wonder why they are not eager to visit HC anymore.


Because they know they can't make a good Heroes game lol

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fred79
fred79


Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
posted April 09, 2016 07:48 PM

Datapack said:
Avonu said:


*looks at last few posts*

Yes, I wonder why they are not eager to visit HC anymore.


Because they know they can't make a good Heroes game lol


yeah, this.

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Antalyan
Antalyan


Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
posted April 09, 2016 07:59 PM

Avonu said:
Stevie said:
So much so that we received a brief but timely visit from Gomaki, Oakwarrior and Ubi-Nox to confirm more things they would've imagined, but it just pains me deeply to see them doing so on business grounds only. Why aren't you here with us more?


*looks at last few posts*

Yes, I wonder why they are not eager to visit HC anymore.


Actually, it seems to me that HC is the last place to collect valuable feedback about Ubi heroes (but the first place to collect old Heroes games feedback).
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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted April 09, 2016 08:02 PM

Antalyan said:
Actually, it seems to me that HC is the last place to collect valuable feedback about Ubi heroes (but the first place to collect old Heroes games feedback).


yeah, this.

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fred79
fred79


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Undefeatable Hero
posted April 09, 2016 08:13 PM
Edited by fred79 at 20:26, 09 Apr 2016.

you two do realize that feedback can only be valuable if it's actually heeded, right?

which means that any "valuable" feedback regarding anything ubisoft does, is just a waste of time and thought.

what we can only do, is continually point out any glaring errors in judgement and practice, made by ubisoft. because there's a damn lot of them; and consumers, for some reason, need to be continually reminded; lest they fall back into the habit of "buy it, regardless of what's most likely wrong with it, just so we can show our undying support for the series".

you two must've missed the part(s) where ubisoft was shown not to give a snow about the consumers of it's products... going so far as to outright lie to them continually, and ignore their wishes completely. to take a consumer's money over and over again, without holding up their end of the goddamn bargain(s).

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verriker
verriker


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Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
posted April 09, 2016 08:30 PM

need a valuable foundation and valuable team to warrant valuable feedback to be useful, otherwise you may as well politely ask David Cameron to please not cut everyone's benefits sir or please not hide secret funds in tax haven sir,

he will just be unreasonable and laugh in your simpering face until you make your point more harsh that he has no credibility, good faith is gone by now I think lol
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Avonu
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Embracing light and darkness
posted April 09, 2016 08:38 PM
Edited by Avonu at 20:38, 09 Apr 2016.

Wow!
It's first post I saw, which was posted by verriker true self, not by his Erwan's mask.
It explain a lot.
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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted April 09, 2016 09:09 PM

Avonu said:
Wow!
It's the first post I've seen which has been posted by verriker's true self, not by his Erwin mask.
It explains a lot.


pretty typical ordinary post from me to be honest I'd say mate lol
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted April 09, 2016 09:11 PM

Antalyan said:
Actually, it seems to me that HC is the last place to collect valuable feedback about Ubi heroes (but the first place to collect old Heroes games feedback).

That is so wrong, Ubi Heroes are not successful and there is numerous posts at HC explaining not only why, but how to fix, so if the feedback has had actually been heeded like fred rightly pinpoints, the recent games would at least not suffer more than bugs, get better sales and reception overall.
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Gryphs
Gryphs


Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
posted April 09, 2016 09:21 PM

Antalyan said:
Actually, it seems to me that HC is the last place to collect valuable feedback about Ubi heroes (but the first place to collect old Heroes games feedback).
Where would they go? The Ubi forums are filled with the same complaints.
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Antalyan
Antalyan


Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
posted April 09, 2016 09:38 PM

Galaad said:
Antalyan said:
Actually, it seems to me that HC is the last place to collect valuable feedback about Ubi heroes (but the first place to collect old Heroes games feedback).

That is so wrong, Ubi Heroes are not successful and there is numerous posts at HC explaining not only why, but how to fix, so if the feedback has had actually been heeded like fred rightly pinpoints, the recent games would at least not suffer more than bugs, get better sales and reception overall.


You (as well as many other people here) want to get rid of rpg elements in Heroes and return back to original games but it will not happen.

You should get used to "new" Heroes, the way the game goes.

As soon as you do this, the feedback will be valuable again and not only the way how to return to the original mechanics.

However I admit some feedback there is very good. Unfortunately lost in many negative comments.

(do not want endless discussion about original vs. new heroes games again)
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted April 09, 2016 09:41 PM

No one wants to get rid of the RPG element, we just want the soul and strategy back!!!
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Antalyan
Antalyan


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Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
posted April 09, 2016 09:47 PM
Edited by Antalyan at 21:48, 09 Apr 2016.

Galaad said:
No one wants to get rid of the RPG element, we just want the soul and strategy back!!!


Ok maybe not described the best but I assumed you wanna get rid of some elements I like H7.

Various and interesting singleplayer campaign/campaign quests/game focused on singleplayer

Towntree is pretty amazing in H7!

3D graphics

And I could continue...

Btw. Galaad, could you send me a link for the thread where you describe your Heroes vision? I would like to know if we have at least some features in common.
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted April 09, 2016 10:05 PM

I could take time to elaborate a proper answer but I got tired of repeating myself a thousand times and busy.

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Ok maybe not described the best but I assumed you wanna get rid of some elements I like H7.

Like get rid of what's dumbing the gameplay down? Yeah I could do without.

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Various and interesting singleplayer campaign/campaign quests/game focused on singleplayer

It's really too bad you don't play H3 as the best greatest and most epic single player campaigns and maps I've ever played are in this game (fan made).

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Towntree is pretty amazing in H7!

My favorite color is!

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3D graphics

You like MMH7 graphics? Your world would be rocked so much if Ubi had talented artists (sorry). And no one said 3D didn't work, we're only questioning how it is being used regarding a turn-based strategy game.

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And I could continue...

And I could refute all you say.
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Antalyan
Antalyan


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Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
posted April 09, 2016 10:19 PM

@Galaad

Sure that two totally different opinions exclude each other.

I am looking forward to H7 patches and you can return to H3...

Continue blaming Ubi and Limbic while I am enjoying their game.

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Storm-Giant
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Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
posted April 09, 2016 10:21 PM

Antalyan said:
Actually, it seems to me that HC is the last place to collect valuable feedback about Ubi heroes (but the first place to collect old Heroes games feedback).

Guys, Antalyan got it right. HC was born from the success of Heroes II and III (later IV and V too), a community was formed around these games - tournaments, mapmaking, in-depth strategy discussions, silly 'what is best' polls, etc were made; people endlessly talked about them and did everything people interested in a game would do in a internet forum, early 2000s.

Ever since H6 Ubi has been pushing the franchise in a very different direction, one which in many ways clashes with what this community represents since its inception. Negative reception of the latest games from the majority of the users here had to be expected.

Now the questions we could ask is why did Ubisoft went all the way down to set up a VIP forum and request feedback from them, only to ignore it; why did Ubisoft sent representatives to this forum during the production/promotion of the game; why did Ubisoft made false promises about going back to the roots, advertising the game as one not unlike the older ones when the reality was far from it; and so on.
But I don't need to answer these questions, as the answers will easily come to anyone who had followed the series over the past years...unless (s)he is a naïve fool who still believes in the goodwill of Ubisoft and the world! *stares at Antalyan*
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EnergyZ
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Legendary Hero
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posted April 09, 2016 10:38 PM

Storm-Giant said:

Now the questions we could ask is why did Ubisoft went all the way down to set up a VIP forum and request feedback from them, only to ignore it; why did Ubisoft sent representatives to this forum during the production/promotion of the game; why did Ubisoft made false promises about going back to the roots, advertising the game as one not unlike the older ones when the reality was far from it; and so on.


I also wonder, if there is so much of negative criticism from many franchises (not just Heroes) that Ubisoft holds the rights to, how come Ubisoft is still operating?

I mean such bashing upon franchises and releasing heavily bugged games can't really increase income. Ubi can still change developer companies like people do with socks, but this all has a price, I think.

Antalyan said:

You (as well as many other people here) want to get rid of rpg elements in Heroes and return back to original games but it will not happen.


It isn't about removing RPG elements, but to use them when they "belong" to. Heroes IV, as much as I respect, had a lot of emphasis on RPG elements, yet it is still bears this odd eyesore (since it did not live up to Heroes III's success).

Heroes VI and VII continue this trend, which is starting to feel annoying. After all, the emphasis should be more on strategy, rather than RPG. After all, if you have a good basic structure, you can build up the storyline and other things revolving around it. Instead, they claim campaigns are more important and would lose their minds if something gets messed up around it.
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