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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted April 10, 2016 06:47 PM |
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That is such a good example, it is downright hilarious.
ChrisD1 said:
Antalyan said:
Going around one problem again and again: Ubi and their politics of releasing unfinished games.
Capcom, street fighter 5 aaa+ title. All companies are the worst these days.
Aaah i reminisce the old days when we'd get a full game with no bugs due to old systems and less glitches (8-bit is the best!!!
Wish i could turn back time and feel like the world isn't going to sh*t! A game i used to play reminds me of good times when i was a kid! What? Nostalgia? No it's a fact noobs!mouhahahahha
So... When do you think SF5 should be fully completed? 2017 or 2018?
Capcom is really becoming like Ubisoft that, I feel like sobbing away all of my body's waters.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 10, 2016 06:48 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
and I don't feel like double posting since it affects post count in a negative way.
Who cares about that? Go and post your screenshots in the ONLY place of HC where you are safe doing so!
I know there is a little more h6 players than this, but maybe your stories aren't challenging enough. (kidding I didn't check them)
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted April 10, 2016 06:50 PM |
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nobody, fan or dev, can disagree with the fact that the game was released very prematurely - the official updates for the game are beta blogs, definitively.
we are still waiting for a released game to be finished, hence this thread.
once the game is done we can actually discuss its merits. until then the conversation will logically be about the contradiction between the state of the game (obviously still in beta) and its relative price point and marketing.
theres still some hope; ubi really needs to learn to listen to their audience though. you cannot take an established franchise and reshape it into a different genre. HEROES of might and magic games ARE NOT tactical rpg's, they are STRATEGY role-playing games.
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=42337&PID=1360599#focus
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=40444&PID=1360451#focus
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted April 10, 2016 07:09 PM |
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Here's a comment that I, personally dare to answer to:
In Canada, I am considered a poor person.
Yet, I succeeded at gathering all the parts needed for a quite respectable 6 cores processor die of a PC. All it needed is one heck of a good graphics card and, guess what, NVIDIA just happened to have such a nice 2GB of decent GPU on board of the card.
This machine current plays a fully modified Heroes 5:T.o.T.E. v.3.1, Heroes 6:Shades of Darkness v.2.1 and, Heroes VII v.1.7.
So...the phrase that ignited my interest at responding to your dare: Dies_Irae = To be able to form a sound opinion on the game I need to play it as it is now, which I can't due to PC requirements.
Told me that you need to become a little more serious towards investing in a way better PC. BTW: That 6 cores PC, is almost 4 years old as of this season of Spring-2016.
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sobaka770
Hired Hero
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posted April 10, 2016 08:35 PM |
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The problem with MMH6 and 7 is that they don't have a lot of redeeming qualities that would soften the blow of the initial release.
H5 had hype behind it, but also the graphics, animation, UI, sound and overall production values were off the charts for the time it was released. Those 3D town screens look glorious even today. The game clearly took a lot from H3 and made some improvements that created a solid foundation for further expansions. THe devs were enthusiastic about making the game. They didn't try to shake the formula too much and generated some good-will and a good game.
H6 was not terribly broken at release, and was graphically competent, but the core systems were too simplified, the campaigns were boring, there was nothing to build the game upon. They decided to change so many things at once and most of them irredeemably didn't work. The decision to give the development to a studio which produces very mediocre games just because it had an engine ready was stupid. Fair enough, you can have one botched attempt at this, can we now go back to things that work? After H4, H5 was an apology, so should've been heroes 7.
H7 tries to do that but ultimatley falls far short. Unlike H5 and H6, H7 is using a dated engine, reused assets and screams "low-budget". At the same time, it doesn't improve on H5 in almost any way. It even doesn't look all that better. If the game is to be released without any ambition on a low budget using dated tech, at least it has to work, right?
I will say that I like H7 campaigns. They are not utterly boring as H6. They are competently written. But the game systems really detract me from enjoying them, from lifeless graphics, muddled adventure map (if I have to press Alt to see which building I can enter, it's not a feature it's a failure of the artist), boring combat with a loading screen, blocky and at times overdesigned animations. The list goes on.
Maybe I just hate the fact that this game is clearly made on a budget and it sucks. Based on how unambitious the game is, it should not have been released for 60 EUR, and not called Heroes 7. Heroes series deserve better. But at least it runs fine on my PC, if it didn't I'd be raging too.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 10, 2016 08:37 PM |
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Edited by Antalyan at 16:01, 11 Apr 2016.
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sobaka770 said:
H6 was not terribly broken at release...
It really was not. Actually, it did not run at all...
Also the Conflux definitely worked perfectly and crashed much less than H7 game does now...
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H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 10, 2016 10:07 PM |
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sobaka770 said:
H6 was not terribly broken at release
Uh...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 10, 2016 10:24 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Also the Conflux worked perfectly and crashed much less than H7 game does now...
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 10, 2016 11:20 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 23:21, 10 Apr 2016.
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Dies_Irae said:
Now we are at an advanced stage where I don't belong anymore, for the simple reason that my only H7 playing experience is the Beta, and only briefly at that. To be able to form a sound opinion on the game I need to play it as it is now, which I can't due to PC requirements.
Goodness' sake, are you for real? So you pre-ordered the 100€ collectors edition box just for the Ivan figurine?
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2016 12:02 PM |
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Edited by Bitula at 12:11, 11 Apr 2016.
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Elvin said:
For the record, H5 became actually playable around patch 1.4-1.5. Including resource requirement fixes, campaign issues(mostly) and general amount of bugs. Limbic has already passed that point, with less factions on their plate and plenty of lost customers that won't be coming back.
Yes, this is the point where I became less optimistic as before. What is this (more then) 3 months silence? I hope the reason for this is that Limbic is preparing to finish at least one additional faction in parallel to the patch. If all these months went into just patch 1.8 then the game is in a dying state either because of resource de-allocation or because of bad source code quality and/or manage-ability. I mean why would one buy a game with just 6 factions when as mentioned before here in most aspects the game is not much better than H5 and it has 2D town screens. I, for example, can easily afford 60Eur, but I wouldn’t want to play it, that is why I do not buy it yet. Because play what? A H5 clone with 6 factions and 2D screens? I personally like the Idea of “H5 clone”, but it has to have more content than it has today even if just in beta or alfa state. Otherwise what’s the purpose of it? It does have a slightly better graphics, but just slightly, H5 graphics are very good, so there is no big difference here like there was with H3- -> H5.
Edit: Like look at XCOM2, that is basically XCOM EW clone, with just slightly better graphics. But it has everything XCOM EW had and the developers already announced an additional class etc. which will make it more in terms of content than XCOM EW. So it is definitely worth a buy. This is what I expect from any Heroes sequel, if not from release, than from the final version.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted April 11, 2016 12:12 PM |
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To call it an H5 clone... I don't know, it seems quite distant to call it like that, considering certain features make it still unattractive.
I, for one, am still bothered by that three-tier system, which has been used from Heroes VI. And in that game, it made the battles too long and just boring. Maybe it works different in Heroes VII, but it is just a pain in the neck that a simple dragon can only "scratch" tier 1 units, when it should devastate them, at least a dozen.
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2016 12:18 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
To call it an H5 clone... I don't know, it seems quite distant to call it like that, considering certain features make it still unattractive.
I, for one, am still bothered by that three-tier system, which has been used from Heroes VI. And in that game, it made the battles too long and just boring. Maybe it works different in Heroes VII, but it is just a pain in the neck that a simple dragon can only "scratch" tier 1 units, when it should devastate them, at least a dozen.
Yes, the three-tier system bothers me too, but it's not a drastic change, because there are still 7 levels and if I understand correctly 5 power levels, so I could probably live with that.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 11, 2016 12:19 PM |
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Calling it a clone is a gross oversimplification, differences between 3 and 5 are many and don't get me started with 7.
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2016 12:25 PM |
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Galaad said:
Calling it a clone is a gross oversimplification, differences between 3 and 5 are many and don't get me started with 7.
I've put it in "" for a reason. What I mean it does not deviate that much from H5 that I'd feel it's unconnected. I think it has a good balance between H5 root elements and innovations. And because the first one is the dominant, to me it does feel like a H5 game with up to date graphics.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 11, 2016 12:28 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 12:29, 11 Apr 2016.
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I would agree if the "root elements" were better in 7 than in 5 (or at least on par with), which I do not consider to be the case. About graphics no, doesn't look like 2015/16 to me.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 11, 2016 12:29 PM |
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Dwarfs won't save Heroes 7, not even the skill changes. The way the game is made doesn't allow any outstanding changes because they work in a frame, and by that I mean resources, code flexibility and integration / balance. It's not something you can build upon because the foundation is shaky and there's no potential to be explored either because there is no vision behind it. The marketing context with the terrible release and low sales also sealed the deal on any kind of bright future. From a producer's point of view, Heroes 7 is a dead end, and probably the signal that the franchise doesn't have any milking potential left. On that background and after everything's said and done with Heroes 7, they will either have to make a good Heroes 8 that absolutely delivers, or they'll have to put the franchise on a shelf.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted April 11, 2016 12:42 PM |
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Edited by Bitula at 12:57, 11 Apr 2016.
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Galaad said:
I would agree if the "root elements" were better in 7 than in 5 (or at least on par with), which I do not consider to be the case. About graphics no, doesn't look like 2015/16 to me.
Really? To me it does. I didn't see too much advancement in 3D technology in the last 10 years anyway. Next step which should make a big difference is probably hologram.
Edit: if you compare Elder Scrolls Arena with Skyrim (both 3D), now that is a huge difference, not H5 --> H7.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 11, 2016 01:04 PM |
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so where are the dwarves coming soon on April 14th coming from guys, they are insisting they are from somewhere called Grim Hime in Ashan, but I heard a rumor they are actually migrants from the cancelled Disciples 3 expansion pack which was cancelled along with that whole franchise,
do you think that is a good or bad omen, I know Ashan already has its fair share of naturalized citizens from the lands of Warhammer and Warcraft, but there will be a controversy because of Donald Trump and the racists, how will we deal with the red supremacists who wanted Inferno and all that old chat lol
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sobaka770
Hired Hero
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posted April 11, 2016 02:17 PM |
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Bitula said:
Galaad said:
Calling it a clone is a gross oversimplification, differences between 3 and 5 are many and don't get me started with 7.
I've put it in "" for a reason. What I mean it does not deviate that much from H5 that I'd feel it's unconnected. I think it has a good balance between H5 root elements and innovations. And because the first one is the dominant, to me it does feel like a H5 game with up to date graphics.
Heroes 7 certainly captures some of the feel of H3 and H5, unlike H6. However a lot of it has to do with simple things, like return of multiple resources, skill wheel restricting choices for classes, return of magic guilds. Certainly not a clone though.
Oh, and H7 graphics are so out-of-date, H5 (or H5.5) looks better in motion.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 11, 2016 06:33 PM |
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
