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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 01, 2016 02:37 PM |
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That would be a massive improvement actually.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 01, 2016 02:50 PM |
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Aionb and Natalka hit both nail on the head. When I went to the fanday I've been trying to explain this to a few relevant people, of course I was replied the usual bs.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 01, 2016 02:50 PM |
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Umm, isn't there Bart Brimstone in the mix as well?
I definitely could imagine a Bamm-Bamm "The Club" Rubblesson, mind you. 
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 10:40 AM |
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Although i still prefer inferno to fortress,it s nice to see fire in this franchise in a good light. The forbidden school of magic might be air since they live inside a mountain.
Lets hope they do balance the game after all. Who knows,maybe the grandmaster offense/defense might even change
Btw i will remind to some people that we live in 2016 now and the game is bound to follow certain trends to obtain a wider audience.
80s had other trends that now seem "original,effortless", or whatever you want to glorify.
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 10:49 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Btw i will remind to some people that we live in 2016 now and the game is bound to follow certain trends to obtain a wider audience.
Would you please be so kind to explain which is that "wide(r) audience" that was obtained and how you think this goal was achieved?
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 11:30 AM |
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Aionb said:
ChrisD1 said:
Btw i will remind to some people that we live in 2016 now and the game is bound to follow certain trends to obtain a wider audience.
Would you please be so kind to explain which is that "wide(r) audience" that was obtained and how you think this goal was achieved?
Hahahahaha like i would fall for that and start a discussion like that here! Oh please
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 11:34 AM |
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Aionb said:
Would you please be so kind to explain which is that "wide(r) audience" that was obtained and how you think this goal was achieved?
Dumb down the games of course, take the strategy out of strategy games for example. It's what they did for MMH6 and MMH7, I assume that's why they changed the name too so people wouldn't think that you need to use your brains in these games. Glory to cookie-cutters!
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 02:45 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 14:54, 02 Jun 2016.
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you guys seriously need to play this game first before bashing h7 in a nonsense way.
it feels and plays a lot like h3-h5 and its not dumbed down.
it has bad zoom/scale.
it has low quality textures.
it has a bad A.I.
it has bad sound effects(i compare it to other games i currently play. total war:warhammer is a masterpiece when it comes to this. it is literally imposible to not appreciate sound works in it.)
and last and most important, it has serious bug/balance issues.
as you can see, all these problems are open to fix if they really want to fix it over time.. and none of these are related to "how-similair-to-past-heroes"
so if you want to bash it, atleast make it correctly.
now about second part of the problem, having a small fan base..
sale numbers are ridicilously bad. mostly slavic countries are interested in remade versions of past heroes, rest of the world is just like.. "meh, its more of the same"
when i say this trust my words. i have a special place to gather players from around my country, even more, froum around world. its name is "Sığınak" and every once in a while, i meet with new people and i hear what they think about heroes games.
and i hear this so rarely: "i want new heroes to be like h3" people doesnt want this, and most of the poeple doesnt even play those games anymore. its nostalgia for them. they do smile when they talk about it and thats all.
all this time ubisoft and you guys had the wrong impression.. i can guarentee you that.
of course game needs to be properly done with a high budget but none of these are the number 1 issues making it being low sale. people got bored of this to death. i agree with them to a point, repeating same things over and over by fighting neutral stacks 49x times is not fun.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 03:01 PM |
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cleglaw said:
it feels and plays a lot like h3-h5 and its not dumbed down except most everything is worse.
Corrected that for you.
And that answers why sales are bad: why buy a product that is neither an improvement nor something new?
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 03:09 PM |
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no, you didnt corrected anything. you insist on writing same things which is not even a bit true. i bet you only played it before months ago, maybe only in beta state.
game is not dumbed down. i can write this in caps lock mdoe if having hard time to understand... or you can play it sometime to see it in firsthand.
on the sond part i agree with you, h7 is not new and not an improvement.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted June 02, 2016 03:25 PM |
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Careful on what you bet...
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 02, 2016 03:31 PM |
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Unfortunately, the AI is dumb... And the factions don't feel all that different between them lineup wise. Racial skills do make some of the game play somewhat different but not to a great extend.
I will agree that the game is nonetheless playable and quite enjoyable in easy and normal modes (except AI). If it had a better AI, i think some complains would be gone.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 02, 2016 03:38 PM |
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cleglaw said:
it feels and plays a lot like h3-h5 and its not dumbed down.
lol.The game is trash. Btw, how much did you even play H3 and H5?
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"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 03:45 PM |
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Cleglaw, I'll make it easy for you, so you get it.
The game is BORING.
Says it all, really. How long do you need to realize that "might be more interesting with a better AI, different skill system, different everything" means, that it is not good RIGHT NOW. Still. After patch 1.7.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 04:03 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
cleglaw said:
it feels and plays a lot like h3-h5 and its not dumbed down.
lol.The game is trash. Btw, how much did you even play H3 and H5?
10+ years. not enough for you oh great h7 basher?
JollyJoker said:
Cleglaw, I'll make it easy for you, so you get it.
The game is BORING.
thats exactly what i am saying. it boring as hell. BUT ITS NOT BECAUSE GAME IS DUMBED DOWN, OLD FORMULA IS ALREADY BORING FOR TODAYS STANDARTS.
how hard is this to understand? its not enough to be like h3, h5 whatever you call it, even if you do it expertly. game needs more and better gameplay style then what those games had. period.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 02, 2016 04:04 PM |
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cleglaw said:
10+ years. not enough for you oh great h7 basher?
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I feel offended. I'm not H7 basher, I'm team Erwin's MMH basher
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 04:35 PM |
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cleglaw said:
frostymuaddib said:
cleglaw said:
it feels and plays a lot like h3-h5 and its not dumbed down.
lol.The game is trash. Btw, how much did you even play H3 and H5?
10+ years. not enough for you oh great h7 basher?
JollyJoker said:
Cleglaw, I'll make it easy for you, so you get it.
The game is BORING.
thats exactly what i am saying. it boring as hell. BUT ITS NOT BECAUSE GAME IS DUMBED DOWN, OLD FORMULA IS ALREADY BORING FOR TODAYS STANDARTS.
how hard is this to understand? its not enough to be like h3, h5 whatever you call it, even if you do it expertly. game needs more and better gameplay style then what those games had. period.
It may surprise you, but no one wants another rendition of H3, H5 or H6. And I don't see how you can seriously defend H7 when you yourself says it's boring as hell.
The game is boring. Check. Concept was bad. Check. No vision for the game. Check. Result. A boring game. So what's there to discuss? That we need to move on? Well, OF COURSE we do. You can't make the same game over and over again, not when it's as simple as Heroes at its core.
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 05:42 PM |
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MMH7 was precisely dumbed down, just like MMH6 was. In both games you use cookie cutter molds for leveling heroes, you use same exact strategy on each battle/game, you essentially build the town the exact same way each game, creatures stats and recycled abilities make creatures feel like re-skinned copies of the other similar creatures, creature tiers gave reduced variety regarding that, spell-schools very much feel the same, specializations are the same for each faction essentially. Seriously the game was very very dumbed down compared to older games, it is plagued by a lot of the same crap that plagued MMH6. When I just play on auto-pilot and never think about anything I am 100% the game is very dumbed down, especially if we talk about new game(back then). The game was all about optimization in the worst way, read everything through once and build the cookie-cutter like in MMH6.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted June 02, 2016 06:52 PM |
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I mean I've played the game a snow ton and still do because my annoying friends won't play any old heroes games because they cannot play 2d games...
The game is dumbed down. The game is pretty boring. Don't blame the budget. The only thing saving it at this point (and what makes the game tolerable for me) is the talented modders who do have a clue, a very good clue, on how heroes games work.
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted June 02, 2016 07:57 PM |
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cleglaw said:
and i hear this so rarely: "i want new heroes to be like h3" people doesnt want this, and most of the poeple doesnt even play those games anymore. its nostalgia for them. they do smile when they talk about it and thats all.
all this time ubisoft and you guys had the wrong impression.. i can guarentee you that.
of course game needs to be properly done with a high budget but none of these are the number 1 issues making it being low sale. people got bored of this to death. i agree with them to a point, repeating same things over and over by fighting neutral stacks 49x times is not fun.
Ubisoft tried to breathe fresh air into Heroes with H6, removing a lot of features and introducing a bunch of new ideas. Following the success of H5 the game enjoyed a high budget as well. Initial sales were high, but it died quickly. Even Erwan admitted that it was not what he had hoped it would be. With H7 they claimed to go in the opposite directon, wanting to emulate H3 and H5 (even though you could argue it has more in common with H6). That failed even worse. So it's not about being like H3 or not; the last Ubisoft heroes games have bad irrespective of this. Heroes 5 did very well both commercially and with the majority of the Heroes fan base, and that game is also very different from H3. What they do have in common is that they are fun to play.
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