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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted June 03, 2016 03:50 PM |
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Because Americans love their graphics over anything else. Gameplay is the lowest priority lol I've seen it first hand
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 03, 2016 03:57 PM |
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PROJ said:
i know plenty about heroes 3 multiplayer. it's a single player game that takes 4 hours and then you meet your opponent and one of you has already won because you have more angels/wyverns (usually). There's 0 meaningful interaction with your opponent. That's called fundamentally poor multiplayer design.
If it is single player, how come there are multiple players involved? Hence multiplayer. Besides, who says it is just two-player mode, when there can be up to eight players involved?
PROJ said:
The point about russian speakers is relevant because it should raise some red flags about the actual quality of game design when only a specific region of people still care about the game, especially when it's an area of the world known for often not having the disposable income to buy newer releases. They grew comfortable with an old game and continue to play it while other parts of the world move on because they have the means to. Americans really love their strategy games, and you hardly see any of them play heroes 3; why is that?
Then let me ask you this - why Heroes VII didn't sell very well? Is it just about the multiplayer - by your argument - that only Russians are playing? Or something deeper than that? Plus, I know many people that are from the rest of the Europe, countries that are somewhat wealthy and are not, yet are also playing Heroes III, and some of them even Heroes II to this day, which is even older than III.
All I am saying is that everyone plays Heroes III because there is no better alternative for most people. There is also Heroes V, but there are some reasons why certain people do not play it. That said, someone could like Heroes VII and Heroes VI, and there is nothing wrong with that. What is certain, however, is that the said person certainly does not have the same taste in the same franchise as the rest.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted June 03, 2016 05:11 PM |
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PROJ said:
i know plenty about heroes 3 multiplayer. it's a single player game that takes 4 hours and then you meet your opponent and one of you has already won because you have more angels/wyverns (usually). There's 0 meaningful interaction with your opponent. That's called fundamentally poor multiplayer design.
suggestion1: use the right (size) map for the right number of players.
suggestion2: be nicer so you have more than 1 friend to play w/. 
PROJ said:
The point about russian speakers is relevant because it should raise some red flags about the actual quality of game design when only a specific region of people still care about the game, especially when it's an area of the world known for often not having the disposable income to buy newer releases/hardware. They grew comfortable with an old game and continue to play it while other parts of the world move on because they have the means to. Americans really love their strategy games, and you hardly see any of them play heroes 3; why is that?
americans still play h3. everyone still plays h3. on all our computers and devices. because a good heroes game doesnt need to require the latest video card to be fun.
PROJ said:
one of the competitive players even came to say that the difficulty in heroes 3 multiplayer was the logistics of moving your various heroes around the battlefield. Why even bother calling it multiplayer? It's a solitaire game that happens to have another person in it that slows the game to a crawl.
because where and why you move your heroes is interdependent with where and why all the other players are moving theirs.
suggestion3: play w/ a group & forge an alliance or two. utilize the kingdom overview, market place, and thieves guild. negotiate, trade, barter, backstab, play diplomatically..
honestly it sounds like you still have a lot of fun yet to experience in h3 too. 
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"Lol we are HC'ers.. The same tribe.. Guy!" ~Ghost
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted June 03, 2016 05:18 PM |
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yogi said:
honestly it sounds like you still have a lot of fun yet to experience in h3 too.
You keep feeding him and this is not right.
However, this guy's experience comes only from watching videos on youtube - as he admitted himself sometime ago - so all your efforts and explanations are pointless.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted June 03, 2016 05:27 PM |
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 03, 2016 05:57 PM |
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Proj, the spider lover said:
The point about russian speakers is relevant because it should raise some red flags about the actual quality of game design when only a specific region of people still care about the game, especially when it's an area of the world known for often not having the disposable income to buy newer releases/hardware. They grew comfortable with an old game and continue to play it while other parts of the world move on because they have the means to. Americans really love their strategy games, and you hardly see any of them play heroes 3; why is that?
hue hue hue rekt m8
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted June 03, 2016 06:32 PM |
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Wow! What a full load of BS these flowcharts are!
I am in Ottawa, Canada and, I am sure that there are plenty of other Ottawans that are enjoying Heroes 6 and Heroes 7.
Plus, most of us do not even want to touch at that ancient game of HoMM3 HD. Plenty of us rather do not even remember that old game or even known about it, ever.
Gaming stores, here, never had enough physical DVD copies of rather Heroes 6 or heroes 7.
I am pretty sure that the majority of gamers around here would really like to experience the legend of HoMM5-T.o.t.E. v.3.1 and, legions of them probably are, still, playing that game on a Win. 10 Home Edition based PC as of right now.
Win. 10 pre-installed onto a pre-assembled PC is now, to this date, sold for a mere 500 to 600$+taxes. Knowing the awesome backwards compatibilies that newest O.S. can offer and do, is an obvious no brainer to the immediate adoption of such Direct X 12 capable machines.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted June 03, 2016 06:35 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
Plus, most of us do not even want to touch at that ancient game of HoMM3 HD. Plenty of us rather do not even remember that old game or even known about it, ever.
H7 peak = 360
H3HD peak = 700
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted June 03, 2016 06:39 PM |
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The game is over because one side has more wyverns/angels. I have heard this here before. Besides army u need control and stats..
If both players meet and no final battle takes place or one side surrenders then the real fun begins. Both sides are striving to achieve control of the map, while in the same time developping their main heroes(sometimes more than 1 main hero) in the areas they lack. Potent scouts mages try to conquer enemy towns and battle with each other. Meanwhile building should not cease , maybe develop that captured castle town to grade angels...
All this late game shenanigans require tons of skill and i think this is the phase where the real multiplayer begins.
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted June 03, 2016 06:41 PM |
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H7 is only on its starting first leg, give it time, alright.
Datapack said:
LucPatenaude said:
Plus, most of us do not even want to touch at that ancient game of HoMM3 HD. Plenty of us rather do not even remember that old game or even known about it, ever.
H7 peak = 360
H3HD peak = 700
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Thanks for pointing out how much more than 0.00% of people are playing Heroes series based games.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 03, 2016 06:44 PM |
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 03, 2016 06:52 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
H7 is only on its starting first leg, give it time, alright.
you can't do that mate, video game lifetime sales are extremely, extremely front loaded in most cases, just ask Ubisaft lol
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted June 03, 2016 06:59 PM |
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@Verriker: HoMM5-T.o.t.E is still in sale via digital download availability for 10$.
Go to the Ubisoft store and check-it out before running your mouth around here, clown.
Heroes 3 Complete is also, still to this day, sold digitally via direct download to your machine.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted June 03, 2016 07:24 PM |
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Luc, your friends won`t touch that ancient game because they will have their assess handed to them all the time. I bet you are very very weak at h3.
No ATB bar, no moderate/challenging difficulty displayed when fighting neutrals, no damage written before units attack, and by nowadays standards no artifacts shown in utopia.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 03, 2016 07:29 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
Go to the Ubisoft store and check-it out before running your mouth around here, clown.
no offence but that's rich coming from you mate,
"sales" here doesn't refer to sales as in discounts but sales as in profits and number of people buying the thing being sold, and according to the data indicates next to nobody bought Heroes 7 lol
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 03, 2016 07:44 PM |
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The argument that H3 multi is essentially single player + final battle is kinda silly. But going by that logic, same should apply to all heroes games. Assuming that the maps one has in mind are as one-dimensional..
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted June 03, 2016 08:13 PM |
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Did not play or even enjoyed an H3 game in about 11 years.
So, after 11 years, I could, possibly, be very bad at this very old title. Since, I would forget to use my hero's turn to do rather might or magic damage/magic beneficial spells.
I was really good at Heroes 3-W.o.G. 11 years ago. Now, my oldest title is Heroes 5-T.o.t.E. version 3.1+Mods of all kinds that put it to version 3.2 and removed the expansion name of T.o.t.E. in the Splash window of it all.
Do own Heroes 3 HD onto the DVD of the Heroes VII Deluxe Edition but, decided not to waste my time with another title of that series on this very same PC of mine. Already have 3 games of the Might and Magic Heroes' different titles on it, as of right now(5,6 and, 7). I think it is a lot to play with don't you think? Not counting the various arcade games installed via Steam + Civilization titles.
I am an avid Xbox console player on my humongous free time(these days anyway). Some 21 games of all kinds. Some I didn't even try, yet.
Have you tried Ubisoft's Risk and Monopoly? Console games BTW. Very good and entertaining also.
I go by the name of Opprime on the PC and LucJP on both the console and through Xbox Live. Popping various achievements of both Steam and Uplay + Xbox Live bound achievements.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 03, 2016 08:14 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
I was really good at Heroes 3-W.o.G. 11 years ago. Now, my oldest title is Heroes 5-T.o.t.E. version 3.1+Mods of all kinds that put it to version 3.2 and removed the expansion name of T.o.t.E. in the Splash window of it all.
Nothing of Horn of the Abyss or even ERA mods, either? 'Cause that's the trend today.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 03, 2016 08:29 PM |
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Quote:
Plus, most of us do not even want to touch at that ancient game of HoMM3 HD. Plenty of us rather do not even remember that old game or even known about it, ever.
Sure, ghost, you just pulled that data out of a spider's spinneret. Canada's the top 6th on Steamspy that bought and played h3 hd
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted June 03, 2016 08:46 PM |
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New is not modding ancient games. No, I did not bother.
The true trend is to finish up the last campaigns of both Heroes 6-Shades of Darkness and, of Heroes 7's Lost Tales of Axeoth. Which I do not care much either.
Furthermore, the word today refers to this current date: June 3rd 2016, not June 3rd 1999(Shadow of Death's release year + 17 years ago). Plus, for a lot of very old people(retired and elderly) the word today refers to their adult life span of in between 20 to 50 years long. Mydefinition of pertinent years of my current life is no longer than 10 years ago(as when the expansion of Hammers of Fate for Heroes 5 was released-2006).
Modding any further Heroes 3 version 3.x.x is absolute nostalgic foolishness.
Here's an example that youngsters can relate to: Would you settle to the old clunker of G1 Optimus Prime's Freightliner(1970's) truck or to the latest model of a way more performant and new long haul type of a Mack(2000+) truck? I definitely preferred the latest truck model even though the oldest one comes from my own youth's time period.
Getting my drift here?
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