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ChrisD1
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posted October 06, 2014 02:04 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
There are rather few ways how to deal with this topic
1. Only demons and the abducted in Sheogh
2. A story from a long past eclipse
3. A heretic based inferno faction
4. A story from befor the creation of Sheogh
5. A story based on demons surving on Ashan (Ignatius)
And a Few more could be founf I think
NO!!!!!!!!!!! how dare you think more than 3 secs??????? inferno will be as boring as hell(pun intended) and i already know EVERYTHING! it will be demons vs demons!THE END!
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 06, 2014 02:05 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
they are going to find a way. no way they makes us vote and then deliver a boring campaign.
Yes, a contrived way. Demons have been bound by their own rules since the beginning and only a major retcon can fix that. However, since this is a prequel any major retcon is going to have big consequences for the canon, and so far we have seen no willingness to do so.
So therefor, if we have no retcon, no eclipse and no Demon v. Demon story, we will likely get a very contrived one.
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Avirosb
Promising
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posted October 06, 2014 02:07 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 14:09, 06 Oct 2014.
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A long past eclipse is still an eclipse.
And if Ashan Ignatius doesn't look like Cary Elwes then I'm not interested.
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do you guys really think that the whole campaign and all 5 missions will be demons vs demons? COME ON!!!! they are going to find a way. no way they makes us vote and then deliver a boring campaign.
No chance in heck, eh?
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Avonu
Responsible
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Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 06, 2014 02:15 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 14:18, 06 Oct 2014.
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War-overlord said:
According to the Compendium the Clanlords were all six of Tuidhana's Childern, each one of them led a clan of DElves. We know of 4 of them, Realag, Eruina, those 2 from SoD I don't remember the names of and 2 unknown children. For all we know, those 2 unknown ones are daughters. And after Realag left his clan to become a Demon, neither do we know who succeeded him.
However we know who is Soulscar Clanlord during H5 - Raelag personaly slay him/her and destroy all his previous clan (I don't remember who it was but I think it was Sinitar in that mission). In FoH we have one of survivors from Soulscar - Thralsai - who became new "ruler" of this clan (he has not much to rule after all).
BTW - what was that info about number of DE clans? I don't remember that.
War-overlord said:
That's what I said, since Demons cannot exist on Ashan for lengthy periods of time outside of Eclipses.
I'm afraid that Bloodmonn Eclipse is no longer required.
Demons "benefit from the disruptions the Void causes to the fabric of creation and slip through the cracks". - Heroes Online.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 06, 2014 02:15 PM |
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seriously what would it cost you to wait before condemning it?
maybe you are right maybe you are not. leave room for doubt and don't act so sure, except if you are in the dev team.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 06, 2014 02:16 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 14:20, 06 Oct 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
War-overlord said:
That's what I said, since Demons cannot exist on Ashan for lengthy periods of time outside of Eclipses.
But some people insist that they will come up with a contrived way to get around that.
do you guys really think that the whole campaign and all 5 missions will be demons vs demons? COME ON!!!! they are going to find a way. no way they makes us vote and then deliver a boring campaign.
you both know very well this is not going to happen. i don't know how they are going to make it work, ask matzhin although news will come up to solve this question.
so can we please not hurry to condemn?
Eh chris I would say drop it there is no way to convince them other than Marzhin and the developers spoiling the story. Inferno has been condemned on this forum for a long time now.
Marzhin said it won't involve eclipses they would not pick such a story if it did not work. Still it would take more than that to convince this community especially against dungeon.
edit:Avonu so sandro's shenanigans has allowed demons to slip through the walls?
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted October 06, 2014 02:18 PM |
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I hope the dungeon hero is a girl. I dont think it will but i hope it is. Despite the retcons their "iconic hero" was represented female after all
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Avonu
Responsible
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Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 06, 2014 02:22 PM |
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lokdron said:
Marzhin said it won't involve eclipses they would not pick such a story if it did not work. Still it would take more than that to convince this community especially against dungeon.
edit:Avonu so sandro's shenanigans has allowed demons to slip through the walls?
1. No Eclpise can means also - Civil War in Sheogh, so all campaign could be demons vs demons. 
On the other hand, I would like to see Kha-Beleth rise to posiotion of sole Demon Sovereign, but it can be easly told in possible expansion pack - for once Inferno can be not included in Ashan games (OK. there is MMX without it, but DoC have Inferno and no Sylvan or Dungeon... or Fortress).
2. Void is Ashan reset button - it can erase anything what authors wants and it still makes sense... some sort at least.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 06, 2014 02:24 PM |
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I'm afraid that Bloodmonn Eclipse is no longer required.
Demons "benefit from the disruptions the Void causes to the fabric of creation and slip through the cracks". - Heroes Online.
This smells like a retcon to me, but I'm a little rusty on Ashan lore (I didn't get into much details of informations released after H6 vanilla...)
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 06, 2014 02:29 PM |
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Avonu said:
lokdron said:
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1. No Eclpise can means also - Civil War in Sheogh, so all campaign could be demons vs demons.
On the other hand, I would like to see Kha-Beleth rise to posiotion of sole Demon Sovereign, but it can be easly told in possible expansion pack - for once Inferno can be not included in Ashan games (OK. there is MMX without it, but DoC have Inferno and no Sylvan or Dungeon... or Fortress).
2. Void is Ashan reset button - it can erase anything what authors wants and it still makes sense... some sort at least.
Personally it would be nice if we got a void faction made up with people who tired of the dragon gods like sandro said. Hmm interesting think I need to replay the expansion and sandro's dlc again.
I mean it can mess with existence and render it to nothing from what I recall it would make sense that it could mess with the walls of Sheogh considering what sandro was doing in H6.
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 06, 2014 02:31 PM |
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Avonu said:
However we know who is Soulscar Clanlord during H5 - Raelag personaly slay him/her and destroy all his previous clan (I don't remember who it was but I think it was Sinitar in that mission). In FoH we have one of survivors from Soulscar - Thralsai - who became new "ruler" of this clan (he has not much to rule after all).
BTW - what was that info about number of DE clans? I don't remember that.
Was it Sinitar or is it simply some Tavern-hero? I personally don't remember, cause it was long ago since I played that campaign last. And I don't see anything of him being the rules or Soulscar in Sinitar's bio.
As far as the number goes, we know all of Tuidhana's childern have one, which makes six. Eruina's kingdom was an offshoot of an already existing one, but that one got destroyed. So there once were at least seven. There might be more, but those would be offshoots of the original six.
Avonu said:
I'm afraid that Bloodmonn Eclipse is no longer required.
Demons "benefit from the disruptions the Void causes to the fabric of creation and slip through the cracks". - Heroes Online.
Does that go for escaping Sheogh or for existing on Ashan?
For if this is the case, then this is either fixed by the of Ivan again or so minor that it cannot another non-eclipse demon invasion.
ChrisD1 said:
seriously what would it cost you to wait before condemning it?
maybe you are right maybe you are not. leave room for doubt and don't act so sure, except if you are in the dev team.
This about taking the risk of having a contrived story. That risk is greater for Inferno then it is for Dungeon. If we want an interesting and well writen story, do we want to take that risk and choose the Faction with the bad rap sheet? Or do you go for the faction that has preformed consistently better in the past?
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Avonu
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posted October 06, 2014 02:39 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 14:40, 06 Oct 2014.
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War-overlord said:
Was it Sinitar or is it simply some Tavern-hero? I personally don't remember, cause it was long ago since I played that campaign last. And I don't see anything of him being the rules or Soulscar in Sinitar's bio.
I also don't remember H5 campaign too well... and I don't want to get back to it.
He was present in Raelag mission but was he clanlord? Someone must to check it, I won't.
War-overlord said:
As far as the number goes, we know all of Tuidhana's childern have one, which makes six. Eruina's kingdom was an offshoot of an already existing one, but that one got destroyed. So there once were at least seven. There might be more, but those would be offshoots of the original six.
Can you find quote? I don't have compednium anywhere near right now. Also I think I also seen somewhere info about seven DE clans, but I can't remember where and if I didn't misread something.
War-overlord said:
Does that go for escaping Sheogh or for existing on Ashan?
For if this is the case, then this is either fixed by the of Ivan again or so minor that it cannot another non-eclipse demon invasion.
This is explanation how Demons can be on Ashan in Heroes Online. As they are enemies in Haven missions in Blackbough and Falcon's Reach areas, I think Void can do both these things.
Also see DoC cards descriptions for more info - we have corrupted by Void Phrias' demons and Hellfire demons in decks. There is little story about how it is possible (well... Void ).
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 06, 2014 02:42 PM |
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Hmm I have to start playing Heroes online is it good Avonu?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 06, 2014 02:43 PM |
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I have to commend the adherent lore accuracy of the Heroes spin-offs.
Really goes a long way to establish Ashan as this coherent and logical place, y'know.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 06, 2014 02:45 PM |
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War-overlord said:
This about taking the risk of having a contrived story. That risk is greater for Inferno then it is for Dungeon. If we want an interesting and well writen story, do we want to take that risk and choose the Faction with the bad rap sheet? Or do you go for the faction that has preformed consistently better in the past?
"the risk"?????? that kind of attitude gave you fury. exaggerating. all i'm saying is leave room for doubt. and i'd rather see a faction
"retconned" and doing smth fresh with that, than seeing a faction that consistently does well and is actually predictable. i am very curious about new inferno. I am not curious about dungeon. I know what it's about after H6. it's smth good and i like it. but between the known and the unknown i'd rather take "the risk"... also new info will come and that's a fact. open your mind, and wait. you might probably prove right, but until then, i like to hope they have surprises for us, for both factions.
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 06, 2014 02:53 PM |
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Avonu said:
War-overlord said:
As far as the number goes, we know all of Tuidhana's childern have one, which makes six. Eruina's kingdom was an offshoot of an already existing one, but that one got destroyed. So there once were at least seven. There might be more, but those would be offshoots of the original six.
Can you find quote? I don't have compednium anywhere near right now. Also I think I also seen somewhere info about seven DE clans, but I can't remember where and if I didn't misread something.
On page 150 of the Compendium it says:
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When they settled Ygg-Chall the DElves organized into several clans, each led by a Child of Tuidhana.
We know Tuidhana has 3 sons and at least Eruina as a daughter. Eruina HVI bio states that she had a disagreement with her father about the running of their kingdom and split off. Though I'm going to look this up. Edit: Yeah, that's essentially what it said.
As for Tuidhana having 6 kids, I don't remember where this is stated, but there is a lorebook in M&MX, which I believe I have collected in my playthrough and I'm going to look this up as well.
Avonu said:
This is explanation how Demons can be on Ashan in Heroes Online. As they are enemies in Haven missions in Blackbough and Falcon's Reach areas, I think Void can do both these things.
Also see DoC cards descriptions for more info - we have corrupted by Void Phrias' demons and Hellfire demons in decks. There is little story about how it is possible (well... Void ).
So Void is the cop-out when magic ain't enough nowadays, is it. Meh. At least the Void does hold the suggestion that there are other worlds out there and we eventually might say goodbye to Ashan once they cannot write themselves out of their own corners anymore.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 06, 2014 02:55 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 14:57, 06 Oct 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
"the risk"?????? that kind of attitude gave you fury. exaggerating. all i'm saying is leave room for doubt. and i'd rather see a faction
"retconned" and doing smth fresh with that, than seeing a faction that consistently does well and is actually predictable. i am very curious about new inferno. I am not curious about dungeon. I know what it's about after H6. it's smth good and i like it. but between the known and the unknown i'd rather take "the risk"... also new info will come and that's a fact. open your mind, and wait. you might probably prove right, but until then, i like to hope they have surprises for us, for both factions.
So why wouldn't you be curious about Dungeon?
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So Void is the cop-out when magic ain't enough nowadays, is it.
A wizard dragon void did it
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 06, 2014 02:58 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Eruina HVI bio states that she had a disagreement with her father about the running of their kingdom and split off. Though I'm going to look this up.
As for Tuidhana having 6 kids, I don't remember where this is stated, but there is a lorebook in M&MX, which I believe I have collected in my playthrough and I'm going to look this up as well.
In that case you will not only meet Eruina but you will see how exactly she had "a disagreement" with her father. Both are in MMX.
War-overlord said:
So Void is the cop-out when magic ain't enough nowadays, is it. Meh. At least the Void does hold the suggestion that there are other worlds out there and we eventually might say goodbye to Ashan once they cannot write themselves out of their own corners anymore.
Thanks to Void they can. But Void Magic always comes with a price and always consumes its users. 
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 06, 2014 03:03 PM |
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although it's a lunar eclipse i say everyone switch your votes to inferno in two days!!
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 06, 2014 03:06 PM |
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Avonu said:
In that case you will not only meet Eruina but you will see how exactly she had "a disagreement" with her father. Both are in MMX.
About Eruina being there, I know, the thing we wanted to establish is wether they had a clan or not, which she did.
I looked up the book, but that only speaks of Tuidhana's brothers and sisters and Tuidhana's rise to the throne. Not what happened after that.
So all in all, we know there are at least 4 clans, with the Soulscar (nearly) decimated around HV. And Eruina's ofshoot 5th clan suffering similar fates many years earlier.
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