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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 18, 2014 09:20 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 21:20, 18 Aug 2014.
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Quote:
This Cabir Master has lost his Construct :'(
Give him a hand finding his Construct
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 18, 2014 09:40 PM |
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Arugaf said:
Avonu said:
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EDIT:
Discover Fortress
It's just usual 404 page.
LOL I get "The Cabir Master has lost his construct :'("
 
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted August 18, 2014 10:04 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Arugaf said:
For me there is a couple of things which is defined M&M Heroes series. Those things is heart, soul and traditions of franchise.
With all respect, this is sort of a moot point. As the discussion in the last page has already excellently shown, what the heart and soul of the game is differs to different players. When we say that we want them to take the "best parts of the old games" and at the same time want them to "retain the heart and soul of the game" we don't really help them, because what are the best parts, and is something by default better in its original implementation rather than later versions? One thing we can all agree on is that we can take any of the previous games in the series - any - and ask whether we want them to make a game exactly like that, and obviously the answer to that would be no, so they have to make those decisions that will leave some players unhappy.
About the Town Portal issue, the lack of proper Town Portal spell was, apart from technical issues and poor AI - the biggest flaw for me in H5. While I know that Town Portal spell can seem (is) cheesy in some regards, spending days or even weeks to have your hero run back and forth over the adventure map to gather troops, spells, or whatever simply is not fun. Was H3 model best solution? Probably not, the difference between getting it and not getting it was just too unfair, not to mention that you needed to pick Earth Magic 100% of your games which was stupid. H5 model might have been made to fit, had they made a "proper" Town Portal spell (where you could choose town) at level 5 as adventure magic, because then it would be free for all. But on bottom line, H6 model is not bad, because it's balanced for all players.
What I do hope is that there will be an option for "No Town Portal" when setting up a game, because it's such a single and isolated feature that can easily be turned off without affecting other parts of the game yet has such a huge impact on gameplay - that way, everybody can choose for themselves whether they want it or not.
I like you. +1 to this post.
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Fal-Parsi
Hired Hero
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posted August 18, 2014 10:10 PM |
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Do you think we'll see some Fortress units as neutrals?
Can we hope that someday Ubi will listen to us and make dwarves and elves friends again and happy together in Rampart?
The main body of the army is more heavily armed and armoured. Elven cavalry is mostly light cavalry, again designed for speed and manoeuvrability over shocking power.
Elves with heavy armour? That's something new. And riders... pegasus riders? 
It can be interesting, but I'm afraid that again there'll be too many elves and few beasts.
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VOKIALBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted August 18, 2014 10:22 PM |
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I agree. Dwarves have to be part of elfs or wizards city. One of the special things about heroes was that were now pure elf or wizard town, witch is boring, since all other fantasy game have it already.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 18, 2014 10:38 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 22:40, 18 Aug 2014.
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Fal-Parsi said:
Do you think we'll see some Fortress units as neutrals?
We don't need Fortress neutrals. It's a given will get the whole faction in an expansion. Of course, that is if the vanilla game generates enough money. This whole voting thing is probably an only to help devs prioritize the factions...
Besides, if you look into Cabirs design, he looks like a little Fire Dragon from H5
 
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esvath
Known Hero
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posted August 18, 2014 10:42 PM |
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But the Cabir is way more cute than Magma Dragon
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VOKIALBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted August 18, 2014 10:47 PM |
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esvath said:
But the Cabir is way more cute than Magma Dragon
It is the same, its a baby magma dragon!
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Fal-Parsi
Hired Hero
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posted August 18, 2014 11:03 PM |
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blob2 said:
We don't need Fortress neutrals. It's a given will get the whole faction in an expansion. Of course, that is if the vanilla game generates enough money. This whole voting thing is probably an only to help devs prioritize the factions...]
Oops, I thought I read that losing factions in voting would not appear in expansion.
The resemblance between cabir and magma dragon is certainly suspicious, they are equally ugly.
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted August 18, 2014 11:15 PM |
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Fal-Parsi said:
blob2 said:
We don't need Fortress neutrals. It's a given will get the whole faction in an expansion. Of course, that is if the vanilla game generates enough money. This whole voting thing is probably an only to help devs prioritize the factions...]
Oops, I thought I read that losing factions in voting would not appear in expansion.
The resemblance between cabir and magma dragon is certainly suspicious, they are equally ugly.
They won't appear as DLC they said, fully fledged expansions are out of the question IMHO.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted August 18, 2014 11:36 PM |
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VOKIALBG said:
I agree. Dwarves have to be part of elfs or wizards city. One of the special things about heroes was that were now pure elf or wizard town, witch is boring, since all other fantasy game have it already.
I agree with you like in H3....but then who would worship Arkath? 
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted August 18, 2014 11:47 PM |
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VOKIALBG said:
I agree. Dwarves have to be part of elfs or wizards city. One of the special things about heroes was that were now pure elf or wizard town, witch is boring, since all other fantasy game have it already.
Don't forget about dungeon in Heroes VI. It was an elven town but there were only 2 units which were elves. In terms of Fortress situation can be similar - they may be much more diversed than in HoMM 5. The same situation with Sylvan - they had in Ashan access to deers, bears (they would rather apeear in Fortress) (in CoH), ents and dragons - so assuming that all four will be present in MM:H 7, we have only three slots left, which isn't that much, therefore you don't have to worry about diversity.
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted August 19, 2014 02:53 AM |
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no no.. Dwarves shouldn't be part of Academy or Sylvan. I love the idea that it is its own faction. Dwarves are cool They deserve their own nation.
Personally, I love H5 Fortress. The only problem I have with it is that its city looks so boring.
Anyway, I was just looking at the Discover Sylvan article:
Discover Sylvan
And this gives me a little idea about the lineup:
I guess core has:
1. Scouts  I don't like the name. They should stick with Bladedancers. Scout is a generic name.
2. Skirmisher Yet another generic name. Hunter is much much better. Hunter name also fits since hunters are known for traps also.
It also has light cavalry or I guess Riders? It's not mentioned if they are core or elite. Riders are horse archers. For a minute there, I thought we're gonna have a Rome Total War Hastati type of unit wherein the very first attack, they'll throw projectile weapons at close range before engaging in a melee fight.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 19, 2014 09:00 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 09:03, 19 Aug 2014.
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Fal-Parsi said:
blob2 said:
We don't need Fortress neutrals. It's a given will get the whole faction in an expansion. Of course, that is if the vanilla game generates enough money. This whole voting thing is probably an only to help devs prioritize the factions...]
Oops, I thought I read that losing factions in voting would not appear in expansion.
Yeah right 
About half a year after H7 release:
Limbic: "Great news gamers! Because we received such a fantastic feedback in the vote from You, we decided to include Fortress/X faction in our incoming H7 expansion!"
Of course it depends on how well the game will sell, but I wouldn't be so sure about this "the faction which will lose the vote, won't make it into the game" thing...
I think they want to somehow appease the fans (I hope that really is the case) by making us feel more "influential" when it comes to the games design...
PS: Also, I've read somewhere that they already have design plans for each faction (which is logical if the games been in the making for about a year).
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VOKIALBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted August 19, 2014 09:16 AM |
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Edited by VOKIALBG at 09:17, 19 Aug 2014.
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But why Heroes should be typical fantasy game and not what it was? No dwarfs and elfs as separate towns is something that grad us the chance to use the "free space" for new and unique towns, that are unseen/rare for other series.
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted August 19, 2014 09:32 AM |
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blob2 said:
Limbic: "Great news gamers! Because we received such a fantastic feedback in the vote from You, we decided to include Fortress/X faction in our incoming H7 expansion!"
or..
Limbic: "Great news gamers! Because we received such a fantastic feedback in the vote from You, we decided to include Fortress in the base game. As You decided, the other 3 will come out in expansions".
One can only hope.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 19, 2014 09:36 AM |
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For me, I will rather see coherent towns than unique towns. I understand that that is an individual matter of taste, but the Elf/Dwarf combination was something that always grated on me.
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Arugaf
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 19, 2014 10:24 AM |
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted August 19, 2014 10:55 AM |
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alcibiades said:
Spell icons look fine imo. They are clearly defined and easy to decipher - everything we critisize the creatures on the combat map of not being.
I think the icons don't look the part, in all honesty. I consider them too large and there's too much space around them. I realise they're just place holders, so I hope they'll not only make better looking ones, but also put more on a single page.
I consider this to be akin to Heroes3 vanilla and with the HD mod; the latter puts more spells on a single page, which doesn't only make each page look better but also reduce the number of actions you have to take to scroll through your spellbook.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 19, 2014 12:54 PM |
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Arugaf said:
Time for Fortress.
Cool, updating news topic
Oh, and this comes also from the news feed:
Brukernavn said:
A sneak preview by Gamer.no (Norwegian)
Google translate version
Most of the information in the article has been mentioned already, except:
- War machines will get a new twist (exactly what is not yet revealed)
- Some battles could have other objectives than killing all enemies [From the context I'm assuming they are talking about single tactical battles]
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
