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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 12:27 PM |
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But this is exactly the reason I never played the faction until Heroes 6.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted May 04, 2015 12:37 PM |
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Maurice said:
Your confusion probably stems from the fact that we have Arachnopolis in Heroes7, which revolves around bhuddist monks who are striving for perfect eternal life. While originally proclaimed to be Necropolis, Arachnopolis follows a different ethos and has different ambitions. It makes sense they want to achieve that with some form of beauty.
On what work do you base your claim that Necropolis cannot strive for beauty? People's mindsets change across time, so why credo of a faction cannot change across games? Don't you feel that fascination with death and ugliness of Necropolis was also twisted strive for beauty and power, just like many Necromancers do in Ashan?
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted May 04, 2015 12:47 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
People's mindsets change across time, so why credo of a faction cannot change across games?
Problem is that Necropolis is the one unchanging, undying faction in the game. It would be ok if this were just one of it's many faces of the faction but it doesn't look like it and that means Anachropolis is eternal.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted May 04, 2015 01:01 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
On what work do you base your claim that Necropolis cannot strive for beauty? People's mindsets change across time, so why credo of a faction cannot change across games? Don't you feel that fascination with death and ugliness of Necropolis was also twisted strive for beauty and power, just like many Necromancers do in Ashan?
In my opinion, Necropolis is the anti-life. They wish to extinguish the flame forever. Arachnopolis wants to cage that flame and provide eternal fuel for it, even if it means it becomes a pale shadow (pun intended  ) of its former self. The very opposition to all life is what is the core of what defines Necropolis in my eyes. It's unnatural, an abomination, a horror. Skeletal remains, held together in animation by necromantic energies, instead of the force of life.
Necropolis is dead at its core, strives to snuff out the force of life completely. Arachnopolis embodies the force of life, caged within necromantic energies.
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Asderuki
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 04, 2015 01:03 PM |
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Nacropolis, Arachnopolis, beauty or not in the end it is not the case.
The mood is the case. Non of those portrais captures the creepy, scary, dark or deadly mood. They are bright, well light. We can see everything. Nothing lorks in the shadows. There is no night. If they gives us an background this time, then character is not neded to be so perfectly shown. The could be darker with less saturated colors or more dark and mysterious. Something but not slap in the face.
[url]http://narog-art.deviantart.com/art/Undead-291896846[/url]
[url]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/196/f/2/Undead_by_StandAlone_Complex.jpg[/url]
[url]http://dcwj.deviantart.com/art/Undead-knight-417851464[/url]
[url]http://sallow.deviantart.com/art/Vampire-39895851[/url]
[url]http://steveargyle.deviantart.com/art/Bloodthrone-Vampire-161841893[/url]
[url]http://federicomusetti.deviantart.com/art/Vampire-212424170[/url]
[url]http://tira-owl.deviantart.com/art/Vampire-484134007[/url]
[url]http://steveargyle.deviantart.com/art/Vampire-Lacerator-136822148[/url]
[url]http://luisapreissler.deviantart.com/art/Vampire-293259976[/url]
[url]http://asderuki.deviantart.com/art/Fear-the-Old-Blood-530725845[/url]
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted May 04, 2015 01:16 PM |
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To me, the goal of a necromancer would be to attain immortality with none of the negative side effects*,
be it for personal reasons or because they want to benefit humanity (usually the former).
Either way they're bound to defy nature and/or offend some higher powers.
With Ashan it is very clear that the gods are basically okay with random mortals having eternal life**
and that's why it's so weird for them to claim they maintain balance and whatnot.
*Less than stellar looks, craving for blood, numbing of senses, etc.
**Pale skin and green eyes I guess most people can live with.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 03:07 PM |
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Avirosb said:
With Ashan it is very clear that the gods are basically okay with random mortals having eternal life
That's not true. They are being punished to eternaly live in Ashan 
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 03:25 PM |
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Well... Asha's not there to punish, she's a neutral entity and does not really make a distinction between right or wrong as long as her creation is not defied, be it by the demons or by the nethermancers. The irony of necromancers claiming to be dedicated to maintaining her rules, while actually sneaking their way out to avoid becoming susceptible to them was actually pointed by Vein.
That being said, what shows the difference between 'right' or 'wrong' is Elrath's light, which is supposed to represent 'truth'... and it hurts undead, meaning that the 'truth' is that their bodies should be dead by then, according to the rules created by Elrath's own mother.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 06:36 PM |
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Avirosb said:
With Ashan it is very clear that the gods are basically okay with random mortals having eternal life**
and that's why it's so weird for them to claim they maintain balance and whatnot.
it kinda evens out by the rest of the world generally hating them and killing them.
Avirosb said:
GenyaArikado said:
Beautiful females are not even new to Necropolis, given Septienna, Vidomina, Reeva, Lamentia, Lucretia, Ornella and Ludmilla's existance.
By 'beautiful' you mean 'not a partly decomposed mess', right?
none of them looked ugly, and Septienna, Vidomina and Lamentia werent even undead.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted May 04, 2015 07:14 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
none of them looked ugly, and Septienna, Vidomina and Lamentia werent even undead.
There's just beauty and ugliness then, nothing in-between?
And of course you don't have to be undead to be a necromancer but it helps.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 07:46 PM |
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Avirosb said:
GenyaArikado said:
none of them looked ugly, and Septienna, Vidomina and Lamentia werent even undead.
There's just beauty and ugliness then, nothing in-between?
And of course you don't have to be undead to be a necromancer but it helps.
well of course if beauty is a subjetive thing and i'm calling them beautiful is because in my opinion they looked beautiful. Now considering i already expressed my opinion about how every faction should have a wide range of appareances for it's heroes and how you seem to want to argue for the sake of it, i'm going to kindly ask you to flock off, featherface.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted May 04, 2015 07:58 PM |
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I'll just have you know I'm not even remotely birdlike.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 08:01 PM |
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Sligneris said:
That being said, what shows the difference between 'right' or 'wrong' is Elrath's light, which is supposed to represent 'truth'... and it hurts undead, meaning that the 'truth' is that their bodies should be dead by then, according to the rules created by Elrath's own mother.
Undead being hurt by light is not a question of truth, it's at best a question of them being abominations - which inside the grey area of Ashan's morality is even harder to tell if that matters anyway, as there are many other "abnormal" creatures like orcs, beastmen, wyverns and hydras, maybe even djinns and simurghs, and not to mention the Angel's own handiwork, the Seraphims. I wonder what their patron god thought about that. But in the end, Elrath's light hurts anyone who is not somehow immune to it, legitimate reason or not.
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The Young Traveler
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raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted May 04, 2015 08:04 PM |
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Edited by raenus at 20:09, 04 May 2015.
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Avirosb said:
GenyaArikado said:
none of them looked ugly, and Septienna, Vidomina and Lamentia werent even undead.
There's just beauty and ugliness then, nothing in-between?
And of course you don't have to be undead to be a necromancer but it helps.
The area between beauty and ugliness is known as "average".
Most Necropolis players would want to play as either as a beauty model (ugh) or as a Hero that you can easily identify as undead (preferably nice and creepy).
If you look at the portraits from MMH6 you will notice that none of the popular ones are average looking. Same thing with the five they have shown us.
Lyla-beautiful, like supermodel beautiful.
Anastasya-while not exactly beautiful she is definitely cute.
Charna-while not as attractive as Lyla (mainly due to the scowl on her face) still has a relatively pretty face. It seems to me that they may have been trying to make her creepy with the dark eyes and scowl but it falls short and just makes her look like a royal b!tch.
Zoltan-I will admit that he is fairly average looking, but honestly is anyone going to play as a boring bald man when you have Merikh available? They could have easily made him appear at least a little creepy but no, you can not have an unnatractive Vamlich.
Merikh-awesome. I think that we can all agree that he is the most badash hero in the reveal. Unfortunately still not really creepy.
So they have shown us 5 characters from Necro and barely one of them is creepy in any way at all. I understand that this is no longer the Necro that I know and love however they could at least add some variety to their portraits. Merikh is a step in the right direction but he is out numbered. Is it not sad that out of the five two could be emo Haven and the other three would fit into Academy with only slight adjustments to the colour palette?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted May 04, 2015 08:23 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 20:25, 04 May 2015.
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I'd say most of the H6 necro heroes were average ones, though not as much in regards to beauty as to how plain they looked.
Face it folks, Ashan Necropolis is all about stasis.
It's a cult so of course they will mostly look similar.
If Erwan says they all must have green eyes then so be it.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 08:53 PM |
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Avirosb said:
I'll just have you know I'm not even remotely birdlike.
why are you perched in my shoulder screeching in my ear then?
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Asderuki
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 04, 2015 09:09 PM |
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Ugh... I don't know if I should show it, but...
I kinda decided to draw portrait in a way I think would be better. It's not exactly what I wanted. I subconsciously modeled a bit too much on style that alredy is presented. It is not so creepy I would like.
Here ya go:
Um, I should thing more on her clothing. It gives so much of a charcter. Maybe next time.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 09:16 PM |
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Here is the base and true reaons why there are beautiful heroes in H6 and H7. It's simple. Design choice. And why that design choice?
Let me help you: what is beautiful is determined by standards of today's society. And western society bases it's standards on hollywood, supermodels, porn, health trends, as well as urban fashion. Why should they be sexy?
Sex sells! And for Necropolis it's important to know how you sell a corpse. Answer? Have a sex with a corpse
Or more precise - make people who buy this game want to have sex with corpses ...
@asderuki: It IS creepy, once you realize what was she doing a minute ago with her mouth ... and why there's blood now pouring out of it. What can I say ... she likes to use her teeth 
But seriously. You got some talent dude 
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 04, 2015 09:32 PM |
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I would also like to see heroes that bear the scars of battles, not only some lowly cut that's barely visible, but disfigured. People with eye patches, with eviscerated cheeks, deep scars, wounds made by arrows and gunfire, burnt flesh. Let's not forget that we are in a universe where magic is warfare, so there are people with all kinds of weird injuries. Also, undead should be even more disfigured, like someone who just got raised after being trampled by heavy war horses, those weight literally a ton, broken arcades, empty eye sockets, all kinds of wounds. Your hero should look like a seasoned veteran (through pepper spray and mustard gas  ) , someone who actually witnessed tens of battles. Also, why don't we got heroes that suffer from diseases? Like every one had syphilis in the middle ages Let's not forget that even simple diseases could leave you disfigured in the middle ages, not even magic could cure all of them. Also, why not ugly obese people, because nobles liked to eat pretty much every thing peasants had, or on the contrary, skinny and anemic? Also people with rotten teeth, because I doubt they got toothpaste or they wash their teeth with urine
@asderuki:Kudos for that picture 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 04, 2015 09:37 PM |
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
