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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted May 26, 2015 07:54 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
If you stand by this opinion, OK. But let me ask you, since DRM are still a rather common practice in the game industry, did ubi do this to MaM, or did they do it to themselves? Uplay and it's in game implementations are not limited to MaM but plague all Ubies games. So even if it is a major issue for many people, who have problems whit it, it is nothing that was directly aimed at the Franchise, Chronicles was. It was a pure, direct and targeted aim to parasite on the brand, squeeze as much cash from it, to somehow fill the black hole 3DO made with its other projects. So yes DrM as it was done in H6 is bad, but not as bad as Chronicles were in my eyes.
as a player I don't really care about any of that, all I know is that I can enjoy everything Heroes 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 have to offer without needing an internet connection, whereas I would have to illegally torrent Heroes 6 to enjoy it just the same, which is an insult lol
the Chronicles meanwhile were just optional side stories, as harmless as their fellow cash grabs Duel of Champions and Heroes Online, though not to defend either of these horrible, horrible publishers of course lol
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted May 26, 2015 07:58 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
No it doesn't I want them to be treated equaly as bad.
K, think about it this way.
What do you hate the most, the annoying guy from a decade ago or the one that's currently annoying you?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted May 26, 2015 08:00 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 20:10, 26 May 2015.
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verriker said:
Dave_Jame said:
Is it true?
Not quite right. Snow Elves of Vori are isolationist nation:
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The Snow Elves of Vori, or the 'true elves' as they will be the first to point out to you, are an insular race. They have isolated themselves in the far northwestern corner of Erathia Antagarich. Their history is long and glorious. Just ask them. Very few know of their founding, and fewer still know of their struggles. Most of our information about them are legends, old stories remembered by their cousins, the Elves of AvLee...
However Vori is also populated by Frost Giants and some barbarians tribes, which even had own kingdom. Also Minotaurs from Jadame were present on Vori during their expedition against Frost Giants.
verriker said:
no, Vori, like Karigor and Nighon, is both an island and a nation lol
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If ever there was a snake's nest of politics and religion, it was Karigor. Karigor is a small island southeast of the 'bootleg' that New Sorpigal is situated on. The twin rival Churches of the Sun and the Moon were founded there, and fought the longest war the world has ever seen until they managed to destroy one another about 200 years ago. Their artifacts of power are scattered around the world.
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2015 08:03 PM |
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verriker said:
as a player I don't really care about any of that, all I know is that I can enjoy everything Heroes 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 have to offer without needing an internet connection, whereas I would have to illegally torrent Heroes 6 to enjoy it just the same, which is an insult lol
the Chronicles meanwhile were just optional side stories, as harmless as their fellow cash grabs Duel of Champions and Heroes Online, though not to defend either of these horrible, horrible publishers of course lol
DoC (and if I recall well HO aswell) never forced you to pay, and you could enyoj them even if you did not spent a cent. Sadly You had to buy chronicles to find out how much you got screwed. Just a note.
And as for "Harmless side stories", H7 will make sence regardless of your knowladge of those you mentioned, Sadly H4's begining was a shock for those who did not play chronicles.
Datapack said:
Dave_Jame said:
No it doesn't I want them to be treated equaly as bad.
K, think about it this way.
What do you hate the most, the annoying guy from a decade ago or the one that's currently annoying you?
As a lucky snow who had little to no problems with Uplay, and enyoed most of Ubies MaM Game (MaM X, DoC, H5, DM, Clash) I am not anoyed by them as much as other people are. They treat the franchies worse then it deserves, but it does not insult me as Chronicles, H4, Legends or MaM IX, not to mention that the guy from the decade back killed my favorite world just for his own lolz.
@Avonu
Thx a lot man :-). I knew I remembered those things right, just did not know how to back them up.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted May 26, 2015 08:19 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 20:20, 26 May 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
but it does not insult me as Chronicles, H4
I liked H4.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted May 26, 2015 08:21 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
As a lucky snow who had little to no problems with Uplay, and enyoed most of Ubies MaM Game (MaM X, DoC, H5, DM, Clash) I am not anoyed by them as much as other people are. They treat the franchies worse then it deserves, but it does not insult me as Chronicles, H4, Legend or MaM IX, not to mention that that the guy from the decade back killed my favorite world just for his own lolz.
You're literally comparing a dying companys decisions to a juggernaut in today's gaming industry.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2015 08:25 PM |
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Datapack said:
You're literally comparing a dying companys decisions to a juggernaut in today's gaming industry.
Yes I am, and I have 2 questions for you:
1: Why was it dying?
2: Why isn't Ubisoft dying yet?
Gryphs said:
Dave_Jame said:
but it does not insult me as Chronicles, H4
I liked H4.
You can like whotever game you want ;-). Thats just my opinion and my opinion is not here to make other opinions wrong.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 26, 2015 08:32 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Yes I am, and I have 2 questions for you:
1: Why was it dying?
2: Why isn't Ubisoft dying yet?
1:the absence of what i say below.
2: a much larger and less educated audience who doesn't care about shady business practices.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted May 26, 2015 08:42 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
1:the absence of what i say below.
2: a much larger and less educated audience who doesn't care about shady business practices.
Dude hit the nail on the head, twice even 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted May 26, 2015 08:45 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 20:48, 26 May 2015.
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He forgot to mention that Ubisoft did not try to sell an overpriced crummy console.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 26, 2015 08:46 PM |
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Gryphs said:
He forgot to mention that Ubisoft did not try sell an overpriced crummy console.
Oh, yeah! That thing  
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted May 26, 2015 09:16 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Dave_Jame said:
Yes I am, and I have 2 questions for you:
1: Why was it dying?
2: Why isn't Ubisoft dying yet?
1:the absence of what i say below.
2: a much larger and less educated audience who doesn't care about shady business practices.
That could be considered offensive.
I don't care what company is behind the Heroes franchise. It's a series of games I like, from 3 all the way up to 6, and 7 most likely too. Maybe next time there is going to be a new developer/publisher who's even worse than Ubisoft, which takes H8 in yet another wildly different direction. Maybe that is for the good of the franchise, maybe not.
Ignorance is bliss, and if the end product is a game I like and love to play, they're good to go. I save my critical attitude for other, more important things in the real world. In games, I tend not to overthink too much. For me, it is pastime, something I do for fun. Going all-critical and suspicious may take the fun out of it.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 26, 2015 09:27 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
That could be considered offensive.
I don't care what company is behind the Heroes franchise. It's a series of games I like, from 3 all the way up to 6, and 7 most likely too. Maybe next time there is going to be a new developer/publisher who's even worse than Ubisoft, which takes H8 in yet another wildly different direction. Maybe that is for the good of the franchise, maybe not.
Ignorance is bliss, and if the end product is a game I like and love to play, they're good to go. I save my critical attitude for other, more important things in the real world. In games, I tend not to overthink too much. For me, it is pastime, something I do for fun. Going all-critical and suspicious may take the fun out of it.
You like what you like, ain't nothing wrong with that. might add that it wasn't meant for "intelligence" educated but rather a lot of people who doesn't go to gaming sites and keep up with what ubisoft is doing, but just sort of goes with the hype. Making an educated purchase based on more than whether the game is enjoyable or not just doesn't matter to them/(you?). Nothing wrong with that inherently (capitalism, ho!), but it does lead to Ubisoft being able to get away with a lot of snow they shouldn't.
If you are ok with that, so be it. can't stop ya. it's your time and money etc, etc. Just make sure you know what you are supporting, k'?
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 26, 2015 09:51 PM |
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I don't see what is wrong with Chronicles. Devs didn't have much money back then, yet they had... *imagination*.
This also gives it a bit of a "prequel" experience before the Reckoning and the H4 events.
Besides, they gave a lot at writing. Which improved in H4.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted May 26, 2015 10:39 PM |
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Edited by Kimarous at 22:41, 26 May 2015.
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EnergyZ said:
I don't see what is wrong with Chronicles. Devs didn't have much money back then, yet they had... *imagination*.
This also gives it a bit of a "prequel" experience before the Reckoning and the H4 events.
Besides, they gave a lot at writing. Which improved in H4.
I think what was trying to be expressed is that "if you went from H3 to H4 without playing Chronicles, the destruction of the world seemed to come right out of nowhere." Heck, some people might not have even known Chronicles existed. I sure didn't back in the day.
Then again, I started out with H4 and got H3 later, so it didn't bother me at all. Still, I sympathize with those whose view of the transition might as well have amounted to "And then Galadriel and Sauron bro-fisted with their rings of power, causing Middle Earth to explode for no reason. Welp, on to Harry Potter."
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 26, 2015 10:51 PM |
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Kimarous said:
"And then Galadriel and Sauron bro-fisted with their rings of power, causing Middle Earth to explode for no reason. Welp, on to Harry Potter."
...
I'd be ok with that
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted May 26, 2015 11:45 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 23:48, 26 May 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
What chronicles was? an 8 map linear standalone with, that gave nothing to the original game, was priced as high as 20-40 bucks for a single campaign. Nothing more for your future entertainment than those 8 maps you had to play with the same hero, same faction.
That was in the past, when 3DO/NWC were at the helm. Fast forward more than a decade, and Heroes Chronicles is actually pretty cheap. No idea who is at the receiving end of the money transfer, I doubt it's all going to the people behind Gog.com; they no doubt pay royalties or something, probably to Ubisoft?
Anyway, they're for sale as a package deal these days, all 8 games combined for 9 Euro's. They can be found here on the Gog.com site.
Edit: From memory, I thought that 5 of the games featured 8 maps and 3 of them only 5. Those 3 were special releases which they integrated into the series somehow. If I can find one point of criticism about the contents, it's that many of the maps are rather smallish.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted May 27, 2015 12:14 AM |
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Maurice said:
Edit: From memory, I thought that 5 of the games featured 8 maps and 3 of them only 5. Those 3 were special releases which they integrated into the series somehow. If I can find one point of criticism about the contents, it's that many of the maps are rather smallish.
there were four 8 map campaigns priced at a tenner each, two 5 map campaigns you could download free if you owned the others, and two final 8 map campaigns sold together
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted May 27, 2015 12:28 AM |
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verriker said:
there were four 8 map campaigns priced at a tenner each, two 5 map campaigns you could download free if you owned the others, and two final 8 map campaigns sold together
Dunno about the original pricing, they were never for sale where I live when they were released. At least, not that I can recall. I only first played them when Gog featured them.
You're right about the number of maps, though. I just checked my files, since I extracted the individual maps a while back.
01 Warlords of the Wasteland - 8 maps
02 Conquest of the Underworld - 8 maps
03 Masters of the Elements - 8 maps
04 Clash of the Dragons - 8 maps
05 The World Tree - 5 maps
06 The Fiery Moon - 5 maps
07 Revolt of the Beastmasters - 8 maps
08 The Sword of Frost - 8 maps
The final mission in the 8th campaign was the one that ended the world  .
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 04:43 AM |
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EnergyZ said:
1. Yeah, forgot about that. You have a point about Free Cities. Still, could be more.
2. H6 still has the plot about demons. Every campaign you played the final antagonist faction was Inferno, besides Inferno campaign itself. Though I am aware H7 does not (hence why no Inferno in the vanilla).
3. ?
4. Told above your points.
1- Its been 2 heroes games, dark messiah and a mmx. The last two are set on free cities iirc
2- Oh i must have missed the part when Uriel, Michael, Cate, Himiko, the Bone Dragon and Sandro revealed themselves to be demons.
2- lol
4- "Lol im gonna disregard/ignore the stuff that goes against my point because lol". Do you realize that our society is timed after the birth of the apparent "Son of God" and that the decline of religions is a relatively recent development in humankind. In Ashan gods have actual influence, why would they not worship them wildly?
If you dislike it thats sucks for you but doesnt make it any worse or better. If anything having a backstory irrelevant to the game is bad.
Avirosb said:
GenyaArikado said:
that's your problem 
Hence personal note, duh
Me.Not.Care
Short.Enough.To.Avirosb?
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