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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted May 27, 2015 08:36 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 08:46, 27 May 2015.
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Maurice said:
The final mission in the 8th campaign was the one that ended the world  .
Not really. The end of the world and what caused it, was showed in Heroes 4 intro.
Sword of Frost ends with Kilgor's Third Wife - Kija - tricks Tarnum, steals titual artifact and brings it to Kilgor. That's all.
Details about what happened next are in Heroes 4 (intro and Wearjack's campaign). 8th Heroes Chronicle only explain why Armageddon's Blade and Sword of Frost should never clashed:
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"If the Sword of Frost and Armageddon's Blade should ever meet, it would mean the end of the world!"
"The Sword of Frost can't be destroyed except by Armageddon's Blade. We fear Gelu will realize this and mistakenly bring the two blades together."
GenyaArikado said:
2- Oh i must have missed the part when Uriel, Michael, Cate, Himiko, the Bone Dragon and Sandro revealed themselves to be demons.
Yes, you missed the part, where you fight:
- Demons corrupting Dragon Nexus in Seven Cities,
- Ahribban and Demon Cultists during Siege of Falcon's Reach,
- Breeder Queen in Wolf Duchy,
- Abyssal Worm and Demon heroes on Pao Islands,
- Demons invading Road to Karthal (and you are demons too).
Both epilogues and DLCs don't have demons, which is nice break, but in 50SoP they retuned as enemies in final missions (Veyer and Kiril protecting Invisible Library and demons during recreating events of Wars of Creation).
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 27, 2015 08:41 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Do you realize that our society is timed after the birth of the apparent "Son of God" and that the decline of religions is a relatively recent development in humankind. In Ashan gods have actual influence, why would they not worship them wildly?
It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's more like (almost) nobody cares. Now if the dragon Gods actually shaped or participated in the events.. Would be more interesting if they were closer to the elemental wizards of AoW2, each the independent ruler of his respective domain with Asha being the unifying/balancing force.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 08:49 AM |
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I keep reading about the dragon gods doing nothing. However I am playing the TotE campaigns and there Zehir actually summons Arkath in person. Okay, he doesn't do much besides appointing the new dwarven king, but there is some real direct influence of a dragon god there.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 08:59 AM |
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Steyn said:
I keep reading about the dragon gods doing nothing. However I am playing the TotE campaigns and there Zehir actually summons Arkath in person. Okay, he doesn't do much besides appointing the new dwarven king, but there is some real direct influence of a dragon god there.
Also, the time Elrath spoke to / blessed Freyda...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 27, 2015 09:14 AM |
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Lame cases both, nothing interesting going on.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 09:24 AM |
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Elvin said:
Lame cases both, nothing interesting going on.
"The dragon gods don't do anything!"
"Yes they do. Here are examples."
"Those examples are lame!"
Well, that's dismissive. 
"Lame" or not, empowering a future queen to take down a major foe with a mere shout and reunifying a faction under a single ruler ARE major events.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 27, 2015 09:38 AM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 09:45, 27 May 2015.
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H5 is an alegory! It just shows how we, as fans (including devs), have to fight and squabble to bring order, while Ubi, as Arkath or Elrath, just comes and says either "yeah, go on" (in Wulfstan's case) or "no, that was a bad idea, you are fired" (in Laszlo's case), then they go back to their smoking, drinking and whatever they do.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 27, 2015 10:03 AM |
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should we really take h5 lore-bits seriously? Wasn't most of it retconned? I don't actually know so some clarification would be appreciated.
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted May 27, 2015 10:34 AM |
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I think Ashan would gain from either an "event" that distanced the gods from the world. At least for a time. Trapping the deamons on Ashan, servering their "rebirth" ability and causing internal (and/or infernal! ) battles. That could also break and make factions and new alliances. Make Sandro the engineer of the event, a fanpleaser.
OR, make the dragon gods more involved. Give them personalities, aims, flaws snd agendas. Make them conspire with and against each other, make them fight for power etc.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted May 27, 2015 10:41 AM |
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Edited by Maurice at 10:42, 27 May 2015.
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Avonu said:
Not really. The end of the world and what caused it, was showed in Heroes 4 intro.
Sword of Frost ends with Kilgor's Third Wife - Kija - tricks Tarnum, steals titual artifact and brings it to Kilgor. That's all.
Details about what happened next are in Heroes 4 (intro and Wearjack's campaign). 8th Heroes Chronicle only explain why Armageddon's Blade and Sword of Frost should never clashed:
Quote:
"If the Sword of Frost and Armageddon's Blade should ever meet, it would mean the end of the world!"
"The Sword of Frost can't be destroyed except by Armageddon's Blade. We fear Gelu will realize this and mistakenly bring the two blades together."
I guess that's a cue for me to replay the Chronicles . I thought to recall the final mission being against Gelu and that you won after defeating him. I guess my memory is playing tricks on me. Thanks for the info, though.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 27, 2015 10:48 AM |
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Kimarous said:
"Lame" or not, empowering a future queen to take down a major foe with a mere shout and reunifying a faction under a single ruler ARE major events.
Isn't it obvious how it should apply to us as well? We need someone to give us a shout to unify the fanbase. H5 split it in half, but even then the fanbase remained stable. Then H6 shook things up... too much.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 10:55 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
should we really take h5 lore-bits seriously? Wasn't most of it retconned? I don't actually know so some clarification would be appreciated.
Should in-game events really be relegated to simply "lore"? I thought most of the retcons were in regards to visuals and maybe a title or two here and there.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted May 27, 2015 10:59 AM |
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Edited by Avonu at 11:01, 27 May 2015.
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Maurice said:
I guess that's a cue for me to replay the Chronicles . I thought to recall the final mission being against Gelu and that you won after defeating him. I guess my memory is playing tricks on me. Thanks for the info, though.
Final mission indeed is against Gelu - Tarnum and Gelu race to Volee (capital of Snow Elves) to gain Sword of Frost. Tarnum wins... but watch HC8 ending video. 
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted May 27, 2015 12:53 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Me.Not.Care
Short.Enough.To.Avirosb?
You obviously do.
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icefield
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 04:01 PM |
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properkheldar said:
I think Ashan would gain from either an "event" that distanced the gods from the world. At least for a time. Trapping the deamons on Ashan, servering their "rebirth" ability and causing internal (and/or infernal!) battles. That could also break and make factions and new alliances. Make Sandro the engineer of the event, a fanpleaser.
Involving religion in a strategy war game makes a lot of sense - given how many real wars have been fought over religion. However, in Ashan this is meaningless since gods are real, so there can be only one religion. However, if there is an event such that dragons (and demons) become just distant history, some factions might deny their existence and follow another religion, leading to stories that are actually believable. What will happen after the Dark Messiah?
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OR, make the dragon gods more involved. Give them personalities, aims, flaws snd agendas. Make them conspire with and against each other, make them fight for power etc.
One could imagine a setting like the mythology of the Troyan war which resulted from a quarrel among Greek gods. However, given the typical quality of cutscenes in Heroes so far, this can easily become as embarassing as in H5. In particular since the Ashan gods aren't humanoid.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 04:06 PM |
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Avonu said:
Yes, you missed the part, where you fight:
- Demons corrupting Dragon Nexus in Seven Cities,
- Ahribban and Demon Cultists during Siege of Falcon's Reach,
- Breeder Queen in Wolf Duchy,
- Abyssal Worm and Demon heroes on Pao Islands,
- Demons invading Road to Karthal (and you are demons too).
the game featuring demons doing their usual doesnt mean the plot consists of or is carried by this
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*The plot is just bah, demons trying to break free and all that, while the heroes band together to stop them.
which is his original point.
Elvin said:
It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's more like (almost) nobody cares. Now if the dragon Gods actually shaped or participated in the events.. Would be more interesting if they were closer to the elemental wizards of AoW2, each the independent ruler of his respective domain with Asha being the unifying/balancing force.
Like YHVH does... and technically every feat of magic done by everyone who isnt an Academy Wizard is them participating.
Elvin said:
Lame cases both, nothing interesting going on.
now you're just projecting.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 27, 2015 04:31 PM |
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Arkath: I was not gonna bother with you guys but since you came all this way I'm gonna name you king. Now go play somewhere else.
Elrath: I was gonna keep ignoring the injustice but fine, stop shouting already.. *smites Laszlo* Back to sleep.
They are like lazy HC mods that occasionally swoop in to penalize and disappear again. Screw those guys!
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted May 27, 2015 04:41 PM |
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Elvin said:
Arkath: I was not gonna bother with you guys but since you came all this way I'm gonna name you king. Now go play somewhere else.
Elrath: I was gonna keep ignoring the injustice but fine, stop shouting already.. *smites Laszlo* Back to sleep.
They are like lazy HC mods that occasionally swoop in to penalize and disappear again. Screw those guys!
total snows! 
I mean, uh, wonderful guardians of all that is right?  
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 27, 2015 06:38 PM |
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https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/beta-a-note-from-the-team
The day the devs are apologize to the community for not releasing beta.
At least it is nice to know they have some common sense to be sorry.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 28, 2015 07:09 PM |
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The lack of news is terible:
Don't tell me they don't have common trash to feed us with, that will be public with the beta.
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
