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Ehlesgens
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posted September 12, 2014 09:51 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Ehlesgens said:
I just thought about something ...
Considering Sylana is a wingless dragon, do you think the green dragon is wingless too ? Because, it is precised that the phoenix is a flyer, but nothing is said about the green dragon.
The H7 Green Dragon will definitely be a walker.
Thanks for the clarification Marzhin  !
I'm still torn between the three though ...
I'd really like to have the aggressive hit-and-run ish gameplay of Sylanna's Fury, but I'd also like to have unicorns and the phoenix ...
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 09:53 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 21:57, 12 Sep 2014.
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Marzhin I think the current info is not quite sufficient for a vote to be cast. We get the general lines but not the intricacies. Please, if I may ask, try posting some more information on specific creatures, like:
- some background on root snakes;
- emerald warrior, what exactly is it, is it that lynx rider?;
- why does the first line-up make treant a must have (dryad synergy);
- why are there 2 very alike creatures in option 3, dryad and pixie, what are some differences between them;
- what is that moon doe, how will it play?;
I find that the current info is good for a start, but I don't think it's sufficient. So please think about making another post about certain aspects, it's quite an important vote.
Also, another question. Are these line-ups final?
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nerevar
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 10:09 PM |
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Edited by nerevar at 23:09, 12 Sep 2014.
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Marzhin said:
The H7 Green Dragon will definitely be a walker.
So, the offensive variant has the exact same champions as the defensive ones (and both are walkers with average - at best - movement), while the mixed one is the only to get a fast and flying champion? That seems a bit weird...
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War-overlord
Responsible
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 12, 2014 10:12 PM |
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Stevie said:
Marzhin I think the current info is not quite sufficient for a vote to be cast. We get the general lines but not the intricacies. Please, if I may ask, try posting some more information on specific creatures, like:
- emerald warrior, what exactly is it, is it that lynx rider?;
It is not. But we're discussing that Here.
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flonembourg
Known Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 10:12 PM |
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Stevie said:
Marzhin I think the current info is not quite sufficient for a vote to be cast. We get the general lines but not the intricacies. Please, if I may ask, try posting some more information on specific creatures, like:
- some background on root snakes;
- emerald warrior, what exactly is it, is it that lynx rider?;
- why does the first line-up make treant a must have (dryad synergy);
- why are there 2 very alike creatures in option 3, dryad and pixie, what are some differences between them;
- what is that moon doe, how will it play?;
I find that the current info is good for a start, but I don't think it's sufficient. So please think about making another post about certain aspects, it's quite an important vote.
Also, another question. Are these line-ups final?
Totally agree with this!
This is an important vote and fan should know in what expect.
So please Marzhin or any insiders ...make your JOB
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted September 12, 2014 10:15 PM |
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I'm pretty sure there will be some more in-depth posts about the creatures next week.
The issue is of course we don't have actual concept arts for the new guys. So any post will be illustrated with art from older games, which might cause some confusion.
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted September 12, 2014 10:22 PM |
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Marzhin said:
The H7 Green Dragon will definitely be a walker.
Wait, wait, wait.
So if the Treant becomes a champion, then when choosing a champion in the game we will have to choose between a slow moving tank and an average moving tank?
Um... where's the diversity here? Like choosing different champions for different gameplay styles or different opponents?
It's kept in Haven and Academy (Haven: flyer or walker, Academy: flyer or shooter).
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 12, 2014 10:30 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
So if the Treant becomes a champion, then when choosing a champion in the game we will have to choose between a slow moving tank and an average moving tank?
Um... where's the diversity here?
In the second lineup.
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Kurush
Known Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 10:31 PM |
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Green dragon has powerful AoE, Treant has dryad synergy.
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted September 12, 2014 10:37 PM |
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Elvin said:
AcidDragon said:
So if the Treant becomes a champion, then when choosing a champion in the game we will have to choose between a slow moving tank and an average moving tank?
Um... where's the diversity here?
In the second lineup.
Yes, Phoenixes got my vote - even if they are blue for some nonsense reason.
However it seems they will not win this race (they did get an advantage on start, but the trend is definitely not on their side).
Sooo.... maybe there is at least still time to reconsider getting stuck with two walker tanks at the champion level?
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 12, 2014 10:44 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
Wait, wait, wait.
So if the Treant becomes a champion, then when choosing a champion in the game we will have to choose between a slow moving tank and an average moving tank?
Um... where's the diversity here? Like choosing different champions for different gameplay styles or different opponents?
It's kept in Haven and Academy (Haven: flyer or walker, Academy: flyer or shooter).
Who said either of them will be a tank? What prevents the treant from being ranged or fast? They can make them entirely different from each other and from what you expect them to be. I don't think you should judge them entirely on how they played in previous games or how they look.
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flonembourg
Known Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 10:45 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
Elvin said:
AcidDragon said:
So if the Treant becomes a champion, then when choosing a champion in the game we will have to choose between a slow moving tank and an average moving tank?
Um... where's the diversity here?
In the second lineup.
Yes, Phoenixes got my vote - even if they are blue for some nonsense reason.
However it seems they will not win this race (they did get an advantage on start, but the trend is definitely not on their side).
Sooo.... maybe there is at least still time to reconsider getting stuck with two walker tanks at the champion level?
Please Guys the second line up is NOW the best possible!
It's not a coincidence if the second line up is called "PERFECT BALANCE"
Look at the champion Flyer and Walker...
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted September 12, 2014 10:54 PM |
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blizz said:
Who said either of them will be a tank? What prevents the treant from being ranged or fast? They can make them entirely different from each other and from what you expect them to be. I don't think you should judge them entirely on how they played in previous games or how they look.
You're kinda, sorta right. I mean - yes, thinking with only the previous games in mind is actually what lost me in the first place as I was 100% sure, the green dragon will fly as always.
Then again a fast Treant is something quite ridiculous for me. It's like a Flowery Necromancer or an Orc Scientist or a Giant Dwarf... oh wait... -_-
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nerevar
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 10:55 PM |
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blizz said:
Who said either of them will be a tank? What prevents the treant from being ranged or fast? They can make them entirely different from each other and from what you expect them to be. I don't think you should judge them entirely on how they played in previous games or how they look.
And who said they won't? It wasn't our idea to make judgements based on partial info, so we must work with what we have. For now there is nothing suggesting the treant will be different from the ones we have seen (and we know they're not supposed to be a ranged unit - no mention of such a thing in their description, unlike druids/hunters). And what do you call a tough unit that isn't particularly fast (as we know for certain is the case with the dragon and is most likely to be the same for the treant)? A tank.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 12, 2014 11:01 PM |
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nerevar said:
blizz said:
Who said either of them will be a tank? What prevents the treant from being ranged or fast? They can make them entirely different from each other and from what you expect them to be. I don't think you should judge them entirely on how they played in previous games or how they look.
And who said they won't? It wasn't our idea to make judgements based on partial info, so we must work with what we have. For now there is nothing suggesting the treant will be different from the ones we have seen (and we know they're not supposed to be a ranged unit - no mention of such a thing in their description, unlike druids/hunters). And what do you call a tough unit that isn't particularly fast (as we know for certain is the case with the dragon and is most likely to be the same for the treant)? A tank.
Yet the most offensive option features both dragon and treant. There must be a reason for that. Huh?
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Storm-Giant
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On the Other Side!
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posted September 12, 2014 11:05 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Ehlesgens said:
I just thought about something ...
Considering Sylana is a wingless dragon, do you think the green dragon is wingless too ? Because, it is precised that the phoenix is a flyer, but nothing is said about the green dragon.
The H7 Green Dragon will definitely be a walker.
BWAHAHAHA, BEST PLOT TWIST EVER!!!
Now the #2 option is the ones that offers more diversity, I'm soO loving this 
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nerevar
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 11:07 PM |
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Edited by nerevar at 23:09, 12 Sep 2014.
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blizz said:
Yet the most offensive option features both dragon and treant. There must be a reason for that. Huh?
And the most defensive option features exactly the same champions. There must be a reason for that as well - though I'll be damned if I can think of any.
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted September 12, 2014 11:13 PM |
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Well, the best the devs can do now is at least tell us whether every creature is a walker, flyer or shooter.
That way we can at least TRY to predict how the faction will play out in every variant.
Names are fine, but if your lineup is starting to look like:
core: shooter, walker, walker
elite: shooter, walker, walker
champion: walker or walker
(and this is, what I assume is the Strength of the Forest) then to me this is something completely different.
PS. Yes, Dryad seems to be a walker, based on the Ashan Compendium art. Pixie is still a flyer.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 12, 2014 11:16 PM |
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5 walkers and 2 shooters. Do you guys really want THAT? 
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Darkem
Known Hero
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posted September 12, 2014 11:22 PM |
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@Marzhin Don't you think that Pheonix (its version known in Ashan) suits Academy better (CoH/DoC)? How will you explain his (at least) surprising cameo in Sylvan's lineup?
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