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verriker
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Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 08, 2015 04:21 PM |
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articun said:
Are we to judge a title like Heroes VII that has far fewer funds than those products with its launch bugs?
yes
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As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 08, 2015 04:34 PM |
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verriker said:
articun said:
Are we to judge a title like Heroes VII that has far fewer funds than those products with its launch bugs?
yes
The it is decided... The game is dead... because the game will undoubtedly come with bugs... Of that, i am sure...
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 08, 2015 04:35 PM |
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articun said:
Are we to judge a title like Heroes VII that has far fewer funds than those products with its launch bugs?
Yes
Why shouldn't we?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 08, 2015 04:41 PM |
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articun said:
The it is decided... The game is dead... because the game will undoubtedly come with bugs... Of that, i am sure...
earlier Heroes games were virtually free of major bugs, that's the bar to clear,
and if Team Erwin have been allocated fewer funds from Ubisoft's massive billionaire coffers than necessary to make Heroes 7 a good game, it's entirely their own fault after losing everyone's trust with the badly-designed, bug-riddled Heroes 6 lol
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 08, 2015 04:43 PM |
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 08, 2015 04:46 PM |
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Stevie said:
articun said:
Do i sound silly to you? 
Did you really ask this question?
Why not? Self assurance doesn't always work in here. I ask it because in trying to come up with possible explanations i found myself sounding silly...
Guys, i really do hope we end up with a good bug free game, but truth be told, i am not certain it will happen. Not by a longshot...
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 08, 2015 04:47 PM |
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articun said:
Dear Chris, what game, or any product the last few years managed to be bug free? Even grand titles like Assassins Creed, The Witcher, Galaxy S6, HTC One M9 were released with bugs and issues...
Are we to judge a title like Heroes VII that has far fewer funds than those products with its launch bugs?
I am certain there will be bugs because they seem to be forced to publish the game on September. But i on my part can only help better the game. And i will.
Of course there will be bugs. But no matter how well you are funded, you should release complete product, where you will try to eliminate as much bugs as it is possible.
When did bad examples became excuses for shipping unfinished/bug-infested producs? (Oh, Assasins Creed and Witcher had bugs! So, it is practicly a standard for every game!) Every product (including H7) should be judged according to good examples. That is the only way to ensure higher quality.
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Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 08, 2015 04:53 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
articun said:
Dear Chris, what game, or any product the last few years managed to be bug free? Even grand titles like Assassins Creed, The Witcher, Galaxy S6, HTC One M9 were released with bugs and issues...
Are we to judge a title like Heroes VII that has far fewer funds than those products with its launch bugs?
I am certain there will be bugs because they seem to be forced to publish the game on September. But i on my part can only help better the game. And i will.
Of course there will be bugs. But no matter how well you are funded, you should release complete product, where you will try to eliminate as much bugs as it is possible.
When did bad examples became excuses for shipping unfinished/bug-infested producs? (Oh, Assasins Creed and Witcher had bugs! So, it is practicly a standard for every game!) Every product (including H7) should be judged according to good examples. That is the only way to ensure higher quality.
I didn't mean we should just let a buggy game pass. I meant that whatever we do, we know there will be bugs. I do hope there will be minor bugs and the product is indeed final. What i meant is that we shouldn't look with a magnified glass to find excuses to hate the game.
Unfortunately, i presented the reality of our world today. Companies in their rush to publish at given dates do release unfinished products and unfortunately, Ubisoft is the king among those, for better or worse... In that regard i am sure the game will have bugs but i hope it will be finished.
So, i will gibe it a month after release to patch up and then make up my mind if it is good or not. That's how i think on the matter. That's what i mean by not judging on the release entirely.
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 08, 2015 04:56 PM |
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articun said:
So, i will gibe it a month after release to patch up and then make up my mind if it is good or not. That's how i think on the matter. That's what i mean by not judging on the release entirely.
it's Ubisoft so...
make it 2 months and i'm with you.
seriously though, this is a very smart thing to do in this situation. That and cancelling your pre-orders (Hint, hint).
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 08, 2015 04:59 PM |
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@Articun
Unfortunately, I have a feeling that we don't need magnifying glass when it comes to Ubi...
As for the reality of today, you are right. But players are as much to blame as anyone. You preorder a game that is essentially buying a product that you do not really know, based on promises. That way, companies earn enough money even before they ship (finish) the product. After that, they do not need to fix the bugs or even finish the product on time: they already earned. Many things would change if people stopped preordering.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 08, 2015 05:00 PM |
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Nah, i won't cancel the preorder, since i will play the game anyhow...
But i will judge if the game is crap or not after i see how they treat it post release and not on the day of the release.
And i really hope there will be another beta session before release.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 08, 2015 05:01 PM |
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articun said:
I didn't mean we should just let a buggy game pass.
What do you think you're doing when pre-ordering? You're supporting their politics, Ubisoft understands money, if you give them money beforehand then rant after, they are just laughing down at the bank.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 08, 2015 05:04 PM |
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Galaad said:
articun said:
I didn't mean we should just let a buggy game pass.
What do you think you're doing when pre-ordering? You're supporting their politics, Ubisoft understands money, if you give them money beforehand then rant after, they are just laughing down at the bank.
Maybe, but i can't know if the game is buggy or not until release. And even after release, until i see how they treat it.
In all honesty guys, i don't know which the right way is... to preorder or not to preorder. I want to show support to the game and to the franchise. In that regard i did preorder to show my commitment.
On the other hand, i expect the studio behind the game to commit to the game as well, providing patches and fixes at timely fashion and also to keep the game alive.
So, if by placing the preorder, i did a mistake, so be it... I have higher hopes for this game than for heroes VI...
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 08, 2015 05:04 PM |
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There are two series of games that I really enjoy playing. One is StarCraft, one is Heroes. Those are the only things I play lately. But, I will not buy a game, even from my favourite series, if I do not like it. That said, I saw H7, and played it a little, and I can say that I do not like it (and I'm not talking about bugs) and I won't be playing it. My point is, that the game must prove that it is worth playing, before someone buys it.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 08, 2015 05:11 PM |
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articun said:
Maybe, but i can't know if the game is buggy or not until release.
Wanna bet? 
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted June 08, 2015 05:14 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
articun said:
So, i will gibe it a month after release to patch up and then make up my mind if it is good or not. That's how i think on the matter. That's what i mean by not judging on the release entirely.
it's Ubisoft so...
make it 2 months and i'm with you.
seriously though, this is a very smart thing to do in this situation. That and cancelling your pre-orders (Hint, hint).
Change the 2 months to 2 years and 2 expansions/DLCs and maybe then it will be a relatively bugfree and balanced experience.
One should always consider the rule of thumb whenever you think about preordering a game. That rule being that whenever the thought crosses your mind to preorder a game, stick a thumb in your eye to make the stupid thought go away.
Never preorder anything. Period.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 08, 2015 05:14 PM |
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articun said:
I meant that whatever we do, we know there will be bugs.
articun said:
Maybe, but i can't know if the game is buggy or not until release.
articun said:
Do i sound silly to you?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 08, 2015 05:19 PM |
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articun said:
In all honesty guys, i don't know which the right way is... to preorder or not to preorder. I want to show support to the game and to the franchise. In that regard i did preorder to show my commitment.
I stupidly preordered Heroes 6 and got burned, so take it from me,
the way to support the franchise, IMO, is to purchase the game if it turns out to be good, and not purchase it and complain on forums if it turns out to be a festering pile of horse manure
either way, you encourage them to act responsibly and create a better product lol
this idea of preordering in advance should not be considered an obligation for any fan, it's pure gambling, a reckless roll of the dice (after losing one roll already), and sends the message that you don't care how good or bad the product is,
after all by definition you've put down all your money in advance without them even having to prove it's a good game lol
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kiryu133
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Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 08, 2015 05:28 PM |
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fuChris said:
One should always consider the rule of thumb whenever you think about preordering a game. That rule being that whenever the thought crosses your mind to preorder a game, stick a thumb in your eye to make the stupid thought go away.
Never preorder anything. Period.
pretty much, though for me it depends on company: I'm mostly fine pre-ordering Nintendo products since i know they take their product releases very seriously. Splatoon played like a dream even at launch for example (and snows on both ubi and EA servers. fancy that).
Compare that with Ubisoft who doesn't even seem to know the meaning of "playtesting" or "respecting your customers". It depends on the company and Ubisoft are not trustworthy enough to pre-order from.
still, pre-ordering isn't a good thing to do even from Nintendo. Even if you do get a sweet statue of Ganondorf or a CD with orchestrated zelda music... No cut content from the games though 
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MadDemiurg
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 08, 2015 06:46 PM |
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Tried the beta, want to share some experiences.
2 Main impressions:
-Extremely buggy
-Horrible balance
Before anyone chimes in with "but this is beta" let me put it this way: this is the buggiest beta I've played in a while. To understand the extent, a lot of abilities just don't work, I get no bonuses from artifacts after reload, I get +2 shots for warfare unit on each reload, end turn button sometimes doesn't work (fixed by opening the menu), there are graphical glitches and crashes etc.
Onto the balance part - well, that should be pretty clear to anyone who read the skill descriptions on the blog. No way in hell abilities like increasing your defence to match target's offence and vice versa are balanced. At least "Fickle magic" seems to be unavailable to any playable heroes. I'd reserve it for campaign heroes unless it's severely nerfed.
Diplomacy is OP as hell. Each level increases negotiation chances. Heaven also has a building with +20% negotiations chance in town's area of control. Creatures joining the army require much less gold than they would cost if you hired them. There's even a perk to make that cost zero, but it doesn't work. I was able to build an army 3x size of what I would be able to recruit normally in 2 weeks with a diplomacy build. Also "no cost surrender" novice diplomacy perk is a complete joke for multiplayer.
I won't even get into other skills, but pretty much any tree with a few exceptions has some incredibly OP stuff.
Overall, the game has some potential, but I don't believe they would be able to release it in a good shape on time with the current state of the beta.
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