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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 09, 2015 11:50 AM |
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frostymuaddib said:
articun said:
So, we are to believe that in all the years between Heroes VI and Heroes VII, the dark elves could achieve nothing, NOTHING, but what Realag did?
That is Absurd at the most! We are talking Dark elves, conspiracies, aspiring for power, delving into unknown magical waters and the storytellers have nothing to tell us about this race and expand it? Nothing on Minotaurs? Nothing on how medusae came into the faction? Really??
And don't tell me it's Ubisoft! Ubisoft does not go around and saying i want this story or that.
Perhaps they don't know what to tell? Of course, there is always a place for retcon  . IMO, the best thing they could do, was to place HoMM game in time after Dark Messiah. That would be more interesting. Prequels only give familiar outcomes, that are boring.
As for not being Ubi's fault, I don't remember voting about campaign stories (though, I could've easily missed that, as I hate shadow council and I rarely visit it)
I think they said that heroes VII will probably be the last prequel story wise. They want to round up all loose ends regarding the story plots and make right the lore regarding how heroes V presented it and then maybe Heroes VIII will be at the events of Dark Messiah and onward
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 09, 2015 11:52 AM |
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Hm, I never had a feeling that there were loose ends from the past that far. I think that H8 (if it comes out) will be: Might and Magic: Heroes VIII Retcon of the Five 
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 09, 2015 11:55 AM |
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If they do that, i hope it has all the campaigns remade and go forward into Dark Messiah. Only in that way i will accept it. 
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 09, 2015 11:57 AM |
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I'd rather go with story after Dark Messiah. The only way I'd love to se campaigns remade is for MMH5.5
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 09, 2015 12:23 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
I'd rather go with story after Dark Messiah. The only way I'd love to se campaigns remade is for MMH5.5
Honestly, it's been soooo long i have played Heroes V campaigns and DoC and CoH and we've been going so much back and forth in time that seeing all story again from the start in the right chronological order and then moving forward into the events of Dark Messiah, is something i would personally like. But i do know that this is something impossible and for many heretic and stupid to do. And to some part i agree. So... i do hope that in this Heroes game we can finish all background stories and then maybe in its final expansion or on the next heroes we move the story forward, maybe by changing Ashan from its roots and creating something new.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 09, 2015 12:55 PM |
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I'd love to see something like this: Demons are freed from Sheogh, and they create their own kingdom on Ashan. The price they pay, is they loose their rebirth cycle. Sandro's disciples emerge from hiding, and destroy the veil created by Asha, and voila. No more restrioction rules of Ashan 
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 09, 2015 01:07 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
I'd love to see something like this: Demons are freed from Sheogh, and they create their own kingdom on Ashan. The price they pay, is they loose their rebirth cycle. Sandro's disciples emerge from hiding, and destroy the veil created by Asha, and voila. No more restrioction rules of Ashan
I think you may like my take on Inferno then after Dark messiah 
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=41055
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 09, 2015 01:25 PM |
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Indeed I like it  The only thing that I don't is core/elite/champion system. I'm more of 7 creture levels kind of guy
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 09, 2015 01:32 PM |
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I on the other hand am full for randomization and customization. So, a 5/5/3 system not only increases the unit pool of the game, making interesting battle mp combinations but also allows you to build your town as you want depending on the skills of your hero, your opponent and how you want to play.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 09, 2015 01:38 PM |
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I like randomization as well! As for creature system, I guess it comes down to personal taste. Core/Elite/Champion makes champion units, well, less champion, imo I want them strong compared to tier 1, and expensive. In H6, most valuable units were cores.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 09, 2015 01:56 PM |
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I don't know if this is an issue of having 3 tiers of if it is a matter of balancing the units. Even between tiers you can have attribute jumps and more abilities to make the units more powerful
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 09, 2015 01:59 PM |
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As I said, it is mainly the matter of taste I prefer more tiers, where strenghth of creatures increases tier by tier. If you have more creatures of the same tier, they have to be similar in strength if there is to be some kind of balance. Of course, this is the way I see the game. It doesn't mean that I am right
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 09, 2015 02:14 PM |
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This all core/elite/champion thingy is nothing but another Ashanian atrocity.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted June 09, 2015 02:29 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
I'd love to see something like this: Demons are freed from Sheogh, and they create their own kingdom on Ashan. The price they pay, is they loose their rebirth cycle. Sandro's disciples emerge from hiding, and destroy the veil created by Asha, and voila. No more restrioction rules of Ashan
Hear, hear!
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted June 09, 2015 02:30 PM |
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This system is okay but Core should numerous and weak and Champions need to be scarce but powerful. Heroes VI failed to achieve that, making Core quite small in terms of numbers and very powerful and making Champions weak and numerous. Even CoH got it right!
Regarding this issue, I have a question to all the people who participate in beta - are Champions significantly stronger than other units?
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted June 09, 2015 02:57 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Even CoH got it right!
CoH got everything right.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 09, 2015 03:01 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Pawek_13 said:
Even CoH got it right!
CoH got everything right.
Two games from Ubi's M&M that I liked are HommV and CoH. CoH is a very good and fun game to play
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 09, 2015 08:22 PM |
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I just wanted to thank all the people here for their activity in the last weeks.
The tester for their opinion, that help to give the insight on the games current state.
The data-miners for their great work in providing info on potential contet.
And the moders for the display of options, that can be don whit the game in the future.
After the past 6+ months it is nice to once again come here and leave whit a smile :-).
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 09, 2015 08:44 PM |
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Ellderon
Adventuring Hero
Lightbringer
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posted June 10, 2015 12:12 PM |
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Edited by Ellderon at 12:14, 10 Jun 2015.
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*sigh*
I wish I could get hyped, but I can't.
the Heroes franchise has been all but ruined for me.
My 3 favorite factions and favorite units have been destroyed.
Academy ruined by turning them into arabian nights anglamation. No more medieval wizards with griphons, hobbits, golems, wargs and stuff
Elves ruined by being turned into native american shamans. No more phoenixes.
Bad-ass crusaders/paladins turned into a snowty unit. No more H2 greatness - Paladins with a zweihander, in shining armor with cloak billowing in the wind. Gone.
Haven turned to s*** in general. I see 7 has even given Wargs to haven faction. First Griffons, now this.
There is no focus or unity in design anymore. It's like melting pot of everything - "let's just mix different cultures and mythical creatures willy-nilly"
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elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo
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