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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted July 23, 2015 08:16 AM |
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EnergyZ said:
Protolisk said:
But what will his attack be? Is he going to bite people, or just lash out with his armored gauntlet talons? At that point, it will be just like the old vamp, but with armored pointy fingers instead of an oversized razor blade. I guess he may lick his claws though, as an idle animation or something. If not, then this new model will act almost just the same as the old one, but with the pretense of being "better" because it doesn't have weaponry.
Isn't it hard to bite people when you are in the middle of the battle? I mean that H2 and H3 vampire used hands to attack and they still healed themselves through life drain. H4 did have that animation which did made you felt it did steal life (well, more like a soul rather than blood), but some still didn't like the animation.
So, how do you think it will bite people? It has to extend its head and tongue to do that. Some would just slap it in the face then.
Animation-wise, my speculation is "claw slash with one hand" for base attack and "lunge with both hands and leaning in for a chomp" for critical.
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted July 23, 2015 09:01 AM |
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I always think of Disciples II...
Why don't they scrap the Vampire as a melee fighter and make him a range fighter? With the added bonus that when he attacks he summons a giant heart that he slashes with his claws...
Man, Disciples II was such a great game...
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Layn
Shaper of Lore
Technical Artist, Limbic Ent.
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posted July 23, 2015 03:25 PM |
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Heya HC!
After lurking on here ever since i started working on Heroes 7, i figured i could maybe try posting for once! (was kinda worried i'd mess up by saying wrong things)
I'm a Technical Artist at Limbic, and have lately focused on doing visual effects.
I'm currently actually doing a final VFX pass on the Townscreens. Well, not currently, considering i'm writing this, but i swear it's on my main screen i'm going right back to it! 
If you have any questions on the art side of things i can try answering, although admittedly as a tech artist i've been more involved in getting art into the game instead of making it.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 23, 2015 03:28 PM |
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Hello,
What's the deal with the bubbles/particles around some upgraded units such as the upgraded Treant for instance?
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Layn
Shaper of Lore
Technical Artist, Limbic Ent.
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posted July 23, 2015 03:37 PM |
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Ha! Good question. That IS totally my fault. Iterating on that is in fact on my todo.
At least in the case of the ancient Treant we were optimizing to make it look good from a distance, which made it look strange and waaaay too full up close, as it is on HC. I'll go for a more subtle approach in my next iteration.
As for why bubbles. The art i was basing it on depicted tiny lights (fairies, butterflies) flying around it, and to avoid having too much noise in something that was supposed to be small, i went for bubbles.
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Petiknight
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 23, 2015 03:38 PM |
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Layn said:
Heya HC!
After lurking on here ever since i started working on Heroes 7, i figured i could maybe try posting for once! (was kinda worried i'd mess up by saying wrong things)
I'm a Technical Artist at Limbic, and have lately focused on doing visual effects.
I'm currently actually doing a final VFX pass on the Townscreens. Well, not currently, considering i'm writing this, but i swear it's on my main screen i'm going right back to it!
If you have any questions on the art side of things i can try answering, although admittedly as a tech artist i've been more involved in getting art into the game instead of making it.
Hi Layn,
welcome on this forum. Can you please answer, the next questions. Will Limbic improve the visual apparance of the game comparing the final release to the beta version? I mean the incorrect zoom, unit scale issues and the bad adventure map textures, UI design etc..? Can we count on some graphic improvements in the final game?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 23, 2015 03:43 PM |
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Thanks for the answer. Well, I don't know for others, but IMO the bubbles look silly. Which is a shame, because the design of the creature is good, but these bubbles kind of ruins it.. The glow is enough IMO.
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Layn
Shaper of Lore
Technical Artist, Limbic Ent.
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posted July 23, 2015 03:50 PM |
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Edited by Layn at 15:55, 23 Jul 2015.
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Petiknight said:
Hi Layn,
welcome on this forum. Can you please answer, the next questions. Will Limbic improve the visual apparance of the game comparing the final release to the beta version? I mean the incorrect zoom, unit scale issues and the bad adventure map textures, UI design etc..? Can we count on some graphic improvements in the final game?
Hooo boy, that's the kind of question i could get in trouble for, soo please take it with a grain or even chunk of salt.
I've definitely heard discussions about some of those, but i can't tell what exactly has been decided.
Probably not adventure map textures though, as i'm not quite sure what you mean. I mean, i did notice lower quality textures on some streams during the beta, but in that case i think it was due to lower settings. That said, i'm pretty sure you haven't seen all of the textures yet! (*she said, probably never actually having seen them all either*)
@Galaad
Do you mean the glow on the texture, the smokey glow rising from the treant or general bloomey glow? In any case i'll keep it in mind. As i said, i want to go way more subtle on the treant, so it'll come across more as a glow than an outright bubble. It's hard to balance it out, but i'll try, whenever i'll get around to a 2nd pass on the creatures
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Petiknight
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 23, 2015 03:55 PM |
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Layn said:
Petiknight said:
Hi Layn,
Thx for the reply. Sorry for my hard questions, I dont wanna cause you trouble. I ment for example, trees, rocks and roads basically the environment were better implemented in H6, and the adventure map looked more nice. Well I played the demo on max settings and i was not so impressed by the visuals. /some of the players agree, please dont hate me/. Well thx again for your answer.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 23, 2015 03:57 PM |
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No I just say the bubbles look silly. 
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted July 23, 2015 04:08 PM |
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I would diminish that glow or completely erase it. The bubble effect could be reworked in a way that they could travel (by 'they' I mean those pseudo-fairies and butterflies) about the treant, coming in and out of vision, as if visiting 'homes' around the living being, and not ever present, giving it an cleaner air, a bit more subtle still mystical. The bubbles could be a bit more shiny due that, some more than others, one go farther off than others etc.
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Layn
Shaper of Lore
Technical Artist, Limbic Ent.
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posted July 23, 2015 04:14 PM |
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Edited by Layn at 16:15, 23 Jul 2015.
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@Petitknight
oh no, don't worry. We do try to improve everywhere we can. Like when a texture cannot improve, wonders can be done with the right shader as well as shader settings. I can't say what has been done so far, nor if anything will be done, as tasks related to those things often fall into other people's hands. They might exist since our level designers are super demanding (hi LDs! love you all! )
@Galaad
ah, but maybe i want silly? I HAVE THE POWER! BWAHAHAHHAHA *cough* 
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted July 23, 2015 04:15 PM |
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Hello Layn! Welcome to HC.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted July 23, 2015 04:18 PM |
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Layn said:
@Galaad
ah, but maybe i want silly? I HAVE THE POWER! BWAHAHAHHAHA *cough*
Great. 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 23, 2015 04:23 PM |
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Welcome Layn My main gripes are the overused glows and shiny effects in upgraded units(all the more noticeable in the treant upgrade) and.. the emerald dragon's head! I actually prefer the basic version over the upgrade, the latter does not really look powerful and/or majestic. It's more like a grandma brontosaurus ..
PandaTar said:
I would diminish that glow or completely erase it. The bubble effect could be reworked in a way that they could travel (by 'they' I mean those pseudo-fairies and butterflies) about the treant, coming in and out of vision, as if visiting 'homes' around the living being, and not ever present, giving it an cleaner air, a bit more subtle still mystical. The bubbles could be a bit more shiny due that, some more than others, one go farther off than others etc.
Agreed.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted July 23, 2015 04:23 PM |
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Layn said:
Heya HC!
After lurking on here ever since i started working on Heroes 7, i figured i could maybe try posting for once! (was kinda worried i'd mess up by saying wrong things)
Hello, Layn! Welcome to the HC forums!
Don't worry, we don't usually bite and with regards to saying wrong things ... well, you wouldn't be the first here, so you're in good company then .
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted July 23, 2015 04:53 PM |
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Layn said:
Heya HC!
Heya back and welcome.
Do you know if we'll get to see large unpassable forests and massive mountain ridges on the adventure map other than the small hills and single hand placed trees. It would really help immersion if the whole army didn't have to spend half a day just to get round a single tree instead of a dense forest.
Maurice said:
Don't worry, we don't usually bite
It would be hard for us old timers to bite since most of us long time fans have lost our teeth long ago thanks to old age. I mean anybody who can remember playing the old M&M games is surely considered a relic nowadays.
PS.:We do have sharp tongues mind you. 
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ThatRedSarah
Famous Hero
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 23, 2015 05:03 PM |
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Layn said:
Heya HC!
After lurking on here ever since i started working on Heroes 7, i figured i could maybe try posting for once!
Hi Layn!
I dont have anything to ask from you at the moment, but welcome to the forums anyway!
Your job sounds so awesome!
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted July 23, 2015 05:09 PM |
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Hi Layn and welcome
I agree with what Elvin and galaad said about the particles and bubbles. And with Elvins opinion on the emerald dragon. I also wish it didn't resemble a Kirin but that's just me.
I have to ask, any chance the ancient behemoth could get a bit more grey in its coat? And maybe a slightly smaller nose. I really love the Unupgraded version
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mike80d
Famous Hero
Map Maker
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posted July 23, 2015 05:26 PM |
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Welcome Layn! I'm really glad you joined here and look forward to hearing some more about what things you're changing/adding to the Town Screens 
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