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TDL
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posted September 06, 2014 07:44 PM

That doesnt make it impossible for it to be reworked into a post-apocalyptic Ashan after Sareth's endeavour
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posted September 06, 2014 07:55 PM

TDL said:
To be honest, even though I won't stand as the representative of the fanbase of Ashan, I am a part of it and I am sure people are not too against it either. Most are just indifferent, others still beckon for H3 days.


sorry, I disagree with all of your arguments

1) I don't believe we should be thankful, or have no standards, simply because the series is in production. I'd rather have no game at all than a soulless game I won't enjoy in many/any respects

2) I've not only taken the time to read Ashan's history, to actually taking time to play all Ashan games with the exception of the H6 DLC, and I firmly believe the vast majority of the lore sucks and has little substance, and am willing to back this opinion up point after point, so please don't suggest I and other critics are in denial

3) even if blowing up the world changes its conceptual boundaries and helps circumvent the faction limits, I don't see how it would magically improve the abilities of the hack dungeon masters writing for Ubisoft, who are the reason why Ashan is so bad to begin with

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posted September 06, 2014 07:59 PM

Alex_Yakub said:
I voted NO, because I say give Ashan a chance. It has a huge potential, and in fact is much more detailed than all previous Heroes worlds.

Ashan has had its second chance, and its third, and its fourth...
Without major changes or a whole heap of new writers it's not getting better.

TDL said:
That doesnt make it impossible for it to be reworked into a post-apocalyptic Ashan after Sareth's endeavour

It already carries the stigma of the old universe. In the names at the very least. Plus there are many things wrong with it, when viewed from the current cannon.
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posted September 06, 2014 08:04 PM

Is this just another pointless hate topic made by people who live in their found childhood memories, do not know jack about Ashan, or sometimes even the old games, and just want to talk shi*?

If so, you people should get a life or move to a another franchise. Ashan for now will stay, and nothing you could do can change this. (Unless you would buy the whole IP from Ubi)
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posted September 06, 2014 08:09 PM

Voted NO. I don't think the universe is a problem at all. The story writing on the other hand...
As other said Ashan has potential and just because writers didn't know how to use it doesn't mean it should just get scrapped all over and expect the next one to be any better.

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posted September 06, 2014 08:09 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Is this just another pointless hate topic made by people who live in their found childhood memories, do not know jack about Ashan, or sometimes even the old games, and just want to talk shi*?

If so, you people should get a life or move to a another franchise. Ashan for now will stay, and nothing you could do can change this. (Unless you would buy the whole IP from Ubi)

This. So much this. Seriously, people, tell me anything about paticular factions from non-Ashan games. And by that I mean tell me not about heroes who lead them, but about factions themselves, why they are what they are, like why Rampart has both elves and dwarves, why are mages separate from regular humans, and WHY THE HELL ARE DEMONS ALIENS?
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posted September 06, 2014 08:11 PM

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Is this just another pointless hate topic made by people who live in their found childhood memories, do not know jack about Ashan, or sometimes even the old games, and just want to talk shi*?


Cry me a river. Post when you have an argument, this is an opinion thread, my opinion is that Ashan isn't good and I gave 4 arguments. An opinion is something personal and not something you can enforce on other ones. Like Ashan, post your arguments, dislike Ashan, post them, not come and whine about "how pointless this thread is". As you see I included 2 options YES or NO, not only yes.

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posted September 06, 2014 08:25 PM
Edited by Galaad at 20:26, 06 Sep 2014.

Alex_Yakub said:
and WHY THE HELL ARE DEMONS ALIENS?

http://heroesofmightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Kreegan


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posted September 06, 2014 08:29 PM

Galaad said:
Dave_Jame said:
Is this just another pointless hate topic made by people who live in their found childhood memories, do not know jack about Ashan, or sometimes even the old games, and just want to talk shi*?

If so, you people should get a life or move to a another franchise. Ashan for now will stay, and nothing you could do can change this. (Unless you would buy the whole IP from Ubi)


Well that's rude. I am really doing my best to try and love actual state of franchise, I think H5 has great gameplay and am really looking forward to H7. H6 just destroyed me, sorry about that.


This was not rude. Not by far. Sure H6 was a rather bad game. It had a terribly told story (which in it's core had potential) and bad gameplay. But H6 has nothing to do with Ashan. Ashan is a setting, and sittings evolve independent on a game. In games like Clash of Heroes, a very good addition to the MaM IP by Ubisoft btw, the setting was artificially added to an existing mechanic base for a game.

And Ubi does make good MaM game, H5, DoC, CoH, MaM X and even DM were all good or atleast OK games. Their Setting is evolving and gettin better. Still people like LizzardWarior just keep talking trash not actually wanting to learn more.

They are not here to tell us their opinion, they did that a hundred of times. They are not here to debate, since their opinion is narrowed to the one game they love and will never change, They are here only for the reason to insult, spawn hateful lines like these and convince you that only their opinion is the right one.

And I for myself am fed up with such people here.

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posted September 06, 2014 08:35 PM

LizardWarrior said:
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Is this just another pointless hate topic made by people who live in their found childhood memories, do not know jack about Ashan, or sometimes even the old games, and just want to talk shi*?


Cry me a river. Post when you have an argument, this is an opinion thread, my opinion is that Ashan isn't good and I gave 4 arguments. An opinion is something personal and not something you can enforce on other ones. Like Ashan, post your arguments, dislike Ashan, post them, not come and whine about "how pointless this thread is". As you see I included 2 options YES or NO, not only yes.


Your opinion is based on Lack of facts and information. You clearly never paid attention to the newer games. Otherwise you would not write such obvious falls facts like you did in your OP (2 out of your Arguments are falls).
If you want to talk trash learn about the topic you are insulting first. Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself.

And to motivate you to look those things up, I wont tell you wich of the arguments are the falls ones.
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posted September 06, 2014 08:37 PM

Galaad said:
Alex_Yakub said:
and WHY THE HELL ARE DEMONS ALIENS?

http://heroesofmightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Kreegan



That explains a lot. Except for the reason why they are aliens and not traditional... well, demons

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posted September 06, 2014 08:46 PM

Dave_Jame said:

Your opinion is based on Lack of facts and information. You clearly never paid attention to the newer games. Otherwise you would not write such obvious falls facts like you did in your OP (2 out of your Arguments are falls).
If you want to talk trash learn about the topic you are insulting first. Otherwise you just make a fool of yourself.



Then prove me wrong. Spilling vitriol and insulting won't do anything.

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posted September 06, 2014 08:48 PM

Jeeez people, calm down, there's no need to be rude.

Dave_Jame said:
Sure H6 was a rather bad game. It had a terribly told story (which in it's core had potential) and bad gameplay. But H6 has nothing to do with Ashan. Ashan is a setting, and sittings evolve independent on a game.

Doesn't games develop the setting? Isn't the setting developed through different games?

IMO H6 has a lot to do with Ashan, just like H5; and way more than the spin offs.
Dave_Jame said:
And Ubi does make good MaM game, H5, DoC, CoH, MaM X and even DM were all good or atleast OK games. Their Setting is evolving and gettin better. Still people like LizzardWarior just keep talking trash not actually wanting to learn more.

You should realize Heroes is the flagship of the series, and there are a lot of people who only plays Heroes and doesn't care about the spin offs. You can't blame them for playing the game they are interested in (because they are interested in Heroes, not in the setting).

It's Ubisoft fault to fail to reproduce the setting from a better perspective in Heroes games.

Dave_Jame said:
And I for myself am fed up with such people here.

To me it seems you are judging very fast here, and see any criticism to Ashan like "mindless hating" and you bash them as fast as those who you despise so much
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posted September 06, 2014 08:49 PM
Edited by Avonu at 20:55, 06 Sep 2014.

Alex_Yakub said:
Seriously, people, tell me anything about paticular factions from non-Ashan games. And by that I mean tell me not about heroes who lead them, but about factions themselves, why they are what they are, like why Rampart has both elves and dwarves, why are mages separate from regular humans, and WHY THE HELL ARE DEMONS ALIENS?

Oh, just read HoMM3 manual:

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Castles are home to the Cleric and Knight hero classes. Castle armies are composed primarily of human men-at-arms, though these towns have also formed an alliance with the griffins and are under the protection of angels.

Wizards and Alchemists study their arcane craft in Towers. Tower populations are comprised of creatures bound into service by powerful magic, made on the spot, or allied with the town through ancient pacts.

The Druid and Ranger hero classes are native to Ramparts, which are built by creatures in allied defense of the unspoiled wilderness regions of Erathia

Inferno towns can be found in Erathian regions blighted by the emergence of the underworld on the surface. Demoniac and Heretic heroes stand in uneasy alliance with these towns.

Necropolis towns are overrun and ruled by undead creatures. They are the natural bases for the Necromancer and Death Knight hero types.

Warlocks and Overlords build dungeon towns to serve as bases to wage their campaign for wealth and power. Some creatures are attracted as allies, while other Dungeon creatures are in thrall to their masters.

Stronghold towns are built by alliances of tribes and are frequented by the Barbarian and Battle Mage hero types.

Fortress towns usually border the edges of swamps and are used by the Beastmaster and Witch hero classes. Their armies are primarily made up of deadly creatures, born of the swamps; these creatures are then subdued and trained as warriors.


As for history lesson:
- Bracada (Tower) was in past part of Bracaduum Empire ruled by Wizard-Kings. They enslaved barbarians but were eventually overthrown by barbarian king Tarnum.

- Erathia (Castle) also was a part of Bracaduun Empire in past. After it fall its nobles (knights)founded Erathia. First king of Erathia Rion Gryphonheart killed Tarnum.

- AvLee (Rampart) was founded by young elves who escaped from Vori, to explore new world.

- Deyja (Necropolis) was founded by mages from Bracada, who discovered necromancy.

- Eeofol (Inferno) is relative new country founded 3 years before H3:RoE, when during Night of the Shooting Stars the Kreegan  arrived on planet. The Kreegan are "an ancient Enemy of an Ancient People" - they are aliens.

- Nighon is volcanic, mountain and desert island, which most of inhibitants lives under ground in tunnels, which can reach even Vori on opposite site of Antagarich. It's ruled by various overlord but doesn't have a king.

- Stronghold was founded some time after Bracaduun fall. When king Tarnum was killed, much of his forces/tribes scattered but hundred years later they are sort of united under duke rule. Duke is chosen during Festival of Life, where each of tribe leader fight to death with others.

- Tatalia (Fortress) - Mudfolks were enslaved first by Tarnum during his fight with Bracaduun and later by Erathia. Tatalia was created when Tarnum (the same who enslaved them in past) freed them from mad king of Erathia rule.

- Conflux was present on Antagarich only during Armageddon's Blade campaign, when Elemetals choose to help this world in war against the Kreegan. It laso appeared in past when Elemental Lords wanted to conquer this world but were stopped by Tarnum.
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posted September 06, 2014 08:50 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Is this just another pointless hate topic made by people who live in their found childhood memories, do not know jack about Ashan, or sometimes even the old games, and just want to talk shi*?

If so, you people should get a life or move to a another franchise.


so, if your whole argument is founded on the basis that others suffer from nostalgia and ignorance, I'd say 1) back up the accusation of nostalgia, and 2) point out specific examples of the ignorance, instead of just spewing out disrespectful remarks which serve no purpose

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posted September 06, 2014 08:52 PM

Dave_Jame said:

And I for myself am fed up with such people here.


You say things and bring no arguments, you are one of the people you hate. This has no logic, so please contribute to the discussion or stay silent.

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posted September 06, 2014 08:55 PM
Edited by alex_yakub at 20:55, 06 Sep 2014.

And that's pretty much it, Avonu. Nothing else can be said about those factions really. Why are mages of Bracada separate from Erathia again? And who the hell are vori anyway?

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posted September 06, 2014 08:57 PM

verriker said:
TDL said:
To be honest, even though I won't stand as the representative of the fanbase of Ashan, I am a part of it and I am sure people are not too against it either. Most are just indifferent, others still beckon for H3 days.


sorry, I disagree with all of your arguments



You have the right. I stick by what I said.
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posted September 06, 2014 08:58 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 20:59, 06 Sep 2014.

@Alex: I don't want to offend anyone, but it's hypocrite that only we have to know both Ashan and Enorth lore and you don't have to know the Enorth lore. This nullifies your arguments.

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posted September 06, 2014 08:59 PM

alex_yakub said:
And that's pretty much it, Avonu. Nothing else can be said about those factions really.

Oh, it can be said much, much more but not here.
alex_yakub said:
Why are mages of Bracada separate from Erathia again?

There are two games about it: Heroes Chronicles: Warlords of the Wasteland and Heroes Chronicles: Conquest of the Underground

alex_yakub said:
And who the hell are vori anyway?

Vori is an mysterious island North-West of Antagarich. It's populated by Snow-Elves, Snow Giants and few other things. You can visit it in (guess ) Heroes Chronicles: Sword of Frost.

Oh, btw, you know one hero called Gelu? He is half Snow-Elf.
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